Thread: postgresql live-cd
Hello all, Introducing myself: Koen Martens, the person who took up the task of creating a live cd containing (at least) postgresql and pgadmin3, to be handed out on conferences (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/livecd/). Now, my idea is to create one of those nifty credit-card sized cd's, that fits in your wallet. We'd base that on DSL (Damn Small Linux) 2.4 probably. Of course, doing a credit card sized cd limits the amount of stuff that can be on there. Right now what should be on there i think: - Latest 8.1 postgresql - pgadmin3 - browsable html documentation Don't know if that leaves us much space yet, will report later on. Any hints, ideas, opinions are welcome! Best, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Hello Koen, I've already gone through a lot of the stuff needed to create a live CD for PostgreSQL. It's currently about 55MB in size and already pretty stripped down to the minimum required to run (a recent Kernel, a lot of general modules, a busybox initramfs and a root filesystem with bash and everything, including PostgreSQL, but not pgadmin nor any documentation). I've built it on top of Gentoo, though. As I wanted to have a removable CD I decided to use UnionFS. After booting, the CD copies itself completely to RAM (should be no problem given that size) and ejects. Then you run completely from memory: the 50MB squashfs with a writeable overlay (UnionFS) I soon need to update that LiveCD for the presentation at the summit, so I can probably provide you with the files needed to create the ISO image quite soon, if you want. Regards Markus Koen Martens wrote: > Hello all, > > Introducing myself: Koen Martens, the person who took up the task of > creating a live cd containing (at least) postgresql and pgadmin3, to > be handed out on conferences (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/livecd/). > > Now, my idea is to create one of those nifty credit-card sized cd's, > that fits in your wallet. We'd base that on DSL (Damn Small Linux) > 2.4 probably. > > Of course, doing a credit card sized cd limits the amount of stuff > that can be on there. Right now what should be on there i think: > > - Latest 8.1 postgresql > - pgadmin3 > - browsable html documentation > > Don't know if that leaves us much space yet, will report later on. > > Any hints, ideas, opinions are welcome! > > Best, > > Koen >
Koen Martens wrote: > Now, my idea is to create one of those nifty credit-card sized cd's, > that fits in your wallet. I forgot to mention: I would also have liked the 80mm mini-CDs, but I finally decided to go for standard sized CDs because a) my shiny new MacBook doesn't like non-standard CDs (slot-in drive) and b) mini-CDs as well as credit-card sized cd's are quite a lot more expensive than standard sized ones. Plus the additional capacity ;-) YMMV Regards Markus
Hello Robert, Robert Bernier wrote: > Have you had a look at the original pg_live? > > http://sraapowergres.com/en/downloads/pg_live.1.3.4-SRAA.iso.torrent No, just heard of it. Unfortunately, the review link on the website is broken. What is it built on? What else does it offer beside PostgreSQL? Regards Markus
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 11:45, Markus Schiltknecht wrote: > Hello Robert, > > Robert Bernier wrote: > > Have you had a look at the original pg_live? > > > > http://sraapowergres.com/en/downloads/pg_live.1.3.4-SRAA.iso.torrent > > No, just heard of it. Unfortunately, the review link on the website is > broken. Which link is broken? I'll pass on the word to get it fixed. > What is it built on? based upon damn small linux > What else does it offer beside PostgreSQL? - custom documentation - postgres reference documentation - apache php enabled - ssh server - postgres with many procedural lanuages (pltcl, plperl, plpython, etc...) and slony replication - X11 using a very fast gui - phppgadmin - firefox - various hacker tools cheers
Robert Bernier wrote: > On Wednesday 14 June 2006 11:45, Markus Schiltknecht wrote: >> Hello Robert, >> >> Robert Bernier wrote: >>> Have you had a look at the original pg_live? >>> >>> http://sraapowergres.com/en/downloads/pg_live.1.3.4-SRAA.iso.torrent >> No, just heard of it. Unfortunately, the review link on the website is >> broken. > > Which link is broken? I'll pass on the word to get it fixed. > >> What is it built on? > > based upon damn small linux > >> What else does it offer beside PostgreSQL? > > - custom documentation > - postgres reference documentation > - apache php enabled > - ssh server > - postgres with many procedural lanuages (pltcl, plperl, plpython, etc...) and slony replication > - X11 using a very fast gui > - phppgadmin > - firefox > - various hacker tools Which version of PostgreSQL? > > cheers > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:11, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Robert Bernier wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 June 2006 11:45, Markus Schiltknecht wrote: > >> Hello Robert, > >> > >> Robert Bernier wrote: > >>> Have you had a look at the original pg_live? > >>> > >>> http://sraapowergres.com/en/downloads/pg_live.1.3.4-SRAA.iso.torrent > >> > >> No, just heard of it. Unfortunately, the review link on the website is > >> broken. > > > > Which link is broken? I'll pass on the word to get it fixed. > > > >> What is it built on? > > > > based upon damn small linux > > > >> What else does it offer beside PostgreSQL? > > > > - custom documentation > > - postgres reference documentation > > - apache php enabled > > - ssh server > > - postgres with many procedural lanuages (pltcl, plperl, plpython, > > etc...) and slony replication - X11 using a very fast gui > > - phppgadmin > > - firefox > > - various hacker tools > > Which version of PostgreSQL? It's an 8.0 version but updating that to the most up to date versoin is truly trivial. What concerns me, and what has stoppedme from undertaking the exercise, is that the distro itself no longer supports the latest hardware drivers. cheers robert
Koen, > Introducing myself: Koen Martens, the person who took up the task of > creating a live cd containing (at least) postgresql and pgadmin3, to > be handed out on conferences (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/livecd/). OK, you are now an admin of the project. Also, a user sent me a note that Lampix CD distro already contains PostgreSQL: > http://lamppix.tinowagner.com/en/mini/ I don't know if that helps us any, but there it is. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:25, Josh Berkus wrote: > Koen, > > > Introducing myself: Koen Martens, the person who took up the task of > > creating a live cd containing (at least) postgresql and pgadmin3, to > > be handed out on conferences (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/livecd/). > > OK, you are now an admin of the project. congratulations ;-) > Also, a user sent me a note that Lampix CD distro already contains > PostgreSQL: http://lamppix.tinowagner.com/en/mini/ .... Now there's the challenge, what's it going to do this live CD? The damn small linux version made it truly a pain when I hacked the system to install the necesary tools. Does lamppix, for example, still have enough of the apt package system present to allow bringing other tools and honour library updates (it too is based upon the damn small distro)? I've been thinking of bootstrapping xubuntu since I know that the libraries haven't been hacked thus making system updates for new hardware possible. however, there is tedious work ahead eliminating packages and reducing the size. On the other hand, I like the idea of creating it from scratch because then I'm guarenteed of a small distro with only the barest of stuff present. May I suggest the starting point be with pg_live. Look at what it has and debate the issues from there. cheers robert bernier (creator of pg_live)
Koen Martens wrote: >Hello all, > >Introducing myself: Koen Martens, the person who took up the task of >creating a live cd containing (at least) postgresql and pgadmin3, to >be handed out on conferences (http://pgfoundry.org/projects/livecd/). > >Now, my idea is to create one of those nifty credit-card sized cd's, > > >Any hints, ideas, opinions are welcome! > >Best, > >Koen > > > I think that any product must be produced to increase the marketing visibility and position of postgresql, not just for an "insiders" thing. Have you compared the cost of small nifty business card cd's with standard size? My cost is .49 each for 40mb carddisc in quantity 100. Personally, IMNSHO this trivializes the software and its presentation, especially when an elephant is our mascot!! Also, there is only less than a dime's difference between cost of CD and DVD. .42 for regular high quality blue disc, and .53 for 16x dvd with 4.7Gb. on dvd we could put gentoo, debian, Solarus and freebsd versions on plus all collateral products, including bizgres and enterprisedb community with front end, plus windows stuff of course. It could be a really nifty sales package. For instance, a first class package of six-panel DVDigipaks, printed as a cheat sheet I suggested earlier, plus the DVD, in full artwork, is only 1.99 each in 1000 quantity. Would you pay $4.00 for a combination cheat sheet of functions, commands, etc. with 4 major distros? That is a $2.00 profit in "donations". If only eight commercial types put up $500 each for inclusion of a section for their stuff, plus a mention on the 6 sided covers, we could produce 2000 packages. Michael Dean
Koen, > Now, my idea is to create one of those nifty credit-card sized cd's, > that fits in your wallet. We'd base that on DSL (Damn Small Linux) > 2.4 probably. Hmmm ... I'm going to argue against the credit card sized CD for two reasons: 1) more expensive than a regular CD (like, 3x in quantity). 2) incompatible with 50% of Combo Drives. Also, having used Robert's DSL-based distribution last time, one bit of feedback we got was that the desktop was kind of ... minimalist. This is a piece of advertising; it should look good when users boot it up. So I'd push for something like Knoppix or Kubuntu, or something else eye-candish. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Hello, I suggest we use Ubuntu Dapper, basic install with Xubuntu-Desktop, PostgreSQL 8.1.4 and pgAdminIII. This should be fairly trivial if we use something like: linux-live http://www.linux-live.org/ Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 20:27, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I suggest we use Ubuntu Dapper, basic install with Xubuntu-Desktop, > PostgreSQL 8.1.4 and pgAdminIII. I agree > This should be fairly trivial if we use something like: > http://www.linux-live.org/ you could use the existing boot strap on the XUBUNTU iso and edit the squashed file system directly... http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm cheers robert
All, Robert Bernier wrote: > On Wednesday 14 June 2006 20:27, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> I suggest we use Ubuntu Dapper, basic install with Xubuntu-Desktop, >> PostgreSQL 8.1.4 and pgAdminIII. > > I agree We already started basing the live cd on knoppix yesterday, but that is of course no reason to not switch to ubuntu now. I am not too keen on ubuntu, it tends to break quickly. I think sticking with the excellent hardware detection support of knoppix is a pre. Furthermore, since i have gotten a lot of convincing arguments not to use ccard-shaped or mini cd's, we're going for a normal CD. Which means space is not too much of a problem anymore. A first tentative ISO should be online later today. More info will follow! Best, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:15, Koen Martens wrote: > We already started basing the live cd on knoppix yesterday, but that > is of course no reason to not switch to ubuntu now. I am not too > keen on ubuntu, it tends to break quickly. I think sticking with the > excellent hardware detection support of knoppix is a pre. FYI, I've finished my iso development environment and am currently doing a test burn of a xubuntu iso. What I want to do, in addition to installing postgres and all its bells and whistles, is to customized the entire 'look' of the iso i.e. edit the isolinux configuration files > Furthermore, since i have gotten a lot of convincing arguments not > to use ccard-shaped or mini cd's, we're going for a normal CD. Which > means space is not too much of a problem anymore. For me, the issue is making it available for downloads i.e. make available two versions. cheers
Robert Bernier wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:15, Koen Martens wrote: >> We already started basing the live cd on knoppix yesterday, but that >> is of course no reason to not switch to ubuntu now. I am not too >> keen on ubuntu, it tends to break quickly. I think sticking with the >> excellent hardware detection support of knoppix is a pre. > > FYI, I've finished my iso development environment and am currently doing a > test burn of a xubuntu iso. > > What I want to do, in addition to installing postgres and all its bells and > whistles, is to customized the entire 'look' of the iso i.e. edit the > isolinux configuration files Ok, so there is no need for our work anymore? Bit of a waste that we worked 2 days on it already then, but ok. Would be nice to know in advance in the future that someone else is already going to do the work, saves people from wasting time. Gr, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Michael Dean wrote: > on dvd we could put gentoo, debian, Solarus and freebsd versions on plus > all collateral products, including bizgres and enterprisedb community > with front end, plus windows stuff of course. It could be a really > nifty sales package. For instance, a first class package of six-panel > DVDigipaks, printed as a cheat sheet I suggested earlier, plus the DVD, > in full artwork, is only 1.99 each in 1000 quantity. Would you pay > $4.00 for a combination cheat sheet of functions, commands, etc. with 4 > major distros? That is a $2.00 profit in "donations". If only eight > commercial types put up $500 each for inclusion of a section for their > stuff, plus a mention on the 6 sided covers, we could produce 2000 > packages. Nice ideas, but afaik the mission at hand is to create a live-cd that can be handed out on conferences so that people can play with and read about postgresql, and it can be used perhaps to give demo's and such. I'd rather have a second cd on the short term instead of creating a dvd, also because yes there are still people who do not have a dvd-reader in their laptop/computer (no figures to back up the significance of this however). Maybe it is possible to create a cd that boots on pc as well as mac.. Gr, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Koen, On Thursday 15 June 2006 11:37, Koen Martens wrote: > Ok, so there is no need for our work anymore? Bit of a waste that we > worked 2 days on it already then, but ok. Would be nice to know in > advance in the future that someone else is already going to do the > work, saves people from wasting time. You didn't waste your time by a long shot. Without your posting I'd still be procrastinating. You gave me a quick kick inthe ass and got me going. Besides, who says that you can't do a decent job of creating a live-cd? If you have the time I think it would be great ifyou could follow through with what you started and come up with a working version. cheers robert
All, Hey, can we get the team pulling together here? What we seem to have is 3 different people working on 3 different CDs. Wouldn't it be better to all work on the SAME cd so that it can be as good as possible? No offense, Josh, Robert, but you've known we needed a new live CD for 6 months. It seems kind of odd that you should wait until Koen starts to duplicate his efforts. --Josh
Koen Martens wrote:
> Robert Bernier wrote:
>> On Thursday 15 June 2006 08:15, Koen Martens wrote:
>>> We already started basing the live cd on knoppix yesterday, but that
>>> is of course no reason to not switch to ubuntu now. I am not too
>>> keen on ubuntu, it tends to break quickly. I think sticking with the
>>> excellent hardware detection support of knoppix is a pre.
>> FYI, I've finished my iso development environment and am currently doing a
>> test burn of a xubuntu iso.
>>
>> What I want to do, in addition to installing postgres and all its bells and
>> whistles, is to customized the entire 'look' of the iso i.e. edit the
>> isolinux configuration files
>
> Ok, so there is no need for our work anymore? Bit of a waste that we
> worked 2 days on it already then, but ok. Would be nice to know in
> advance in the future that someone else is already going to do the
> work, saves people from wasting time.
Koen,
I think you should consider continuing your work. Ultmiately the image
most preferred is going to be the one used. I am not saying that will be
yours but it is important to at least try.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Gr,
>
> Koen
>
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Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
> Hey, can we get the team pulling together here? What we seem to have
> is 3 different people working on 3 different CDs. Wouldn't it be
> better to all work on the SAME cd so that it can be as good as possible?
>
> No offense, Josh, Robert, but you've known we needed a new live CD for 6
> months. It seems kind of odd that you should wait until Koen starts to
> duplicate his efforts.
Well my efforts were summarized last month and submitted as proposal to
the community. That is all. I did run a test live cd as you know, but
that's all I did. My live cd was based off my own system and would only
fit on a DVD.
I have no desire to build a live cd.
Joshua D. Drake
>
> --Josh
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> Well my efforts were summarized last month and submitted as proposal to
> the community. That is all. I did run a test live cd as you know, but
> that's all I did. My live cd was based off my own system and would only
> fit on a DVD.
Err last night.
>
> I have no desire to build a live cd.
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>
>>
>> --Josh
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Robert, Josh, Koen, All: To re-phrase: Koen specifically volunteered to help on this based on my recruitment e-mail in PWN after nine months of live-CD non-activity. Unless he (she?) gives up, Koen is the live-CD project lead for the time being. One of the things that Open Source is about is not gratuitously duplicating effort. This means, Robert, that you should be working with Koen, not duplicating his efforts. Clear? -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Koen, About the database. Perhaps we could use the sample databases existing in the pgfoundry. But I guess I we want to show all the PG's power we should build database demoing all the capabilities. Regards, Gevik
Josh Berkus wrote: > To re-phrase: Koen specifically volunteered to help on this based on my > recruitment e-mail in PWN after nine months of live-CD non-activity. > Unless he (she?) gives up, Koen is the live-CD project lead for the time > being. It is a 'he' :) First preliminary ISO is online at http://www.sonologic.nl/Projects/PgLive (PgFoundry has a 30MB size limit on files). Let me know what you think. There's a lot more to do of course, install apps, more graphics and stuff, better 'home page' etc.. Best, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Koen, > Let me know what you think. There's a lot more to do of course, > install apps, more graphics and stuff, better 'home page' etc.. Sorry I've not yet gotten feedback to you on this. I've discovered that I don't have a convenient x86 machine which can boot from CD (!). Has anyone else been able to try this? Please? We really need to order CDs at the beginning of July. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: >> Let me know what you think. There's a lot more to do of course, >> install apps, more graphics and stuff, better 'home page' etc.. > > Sorry I've not yet gotten feedback to you on this. I've discovered that I > don't have a convenient x86 machine which can boot from CD (!). > > Has anyone else been able to try this? Please? We really need to order CDs > at the beginning of July. Ah, ok good to know there's a deadline! We'll put some more effort in it this week, regardless of the feedback. Got some good comments already, about example databases a.o. If you don't have time / ability to check the cd just shout what you think should be on there and we'll see if there is time! Gr, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Hello, I just tested this. The intro is nice but I am unable to launch X. I wouldn't sweat it, because it is a common problem with my laptop. My Laptop requires vesa, but X detects the ATI and tries to use it (but it fails). I did bounce over to a console and postgresql is running, but nothing in it. Anyone else able to try it out? Joshua D. Drake
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > I just tested this. The intro is nice but I am unable to launch X. I wouldn't > sweat it, because it is a common problem with my laptop. My Laptop requires > vesa, but X detects the ATI and tries to use it (but it fails). I bet there's a boot option for that, probably 'xmodule=vesa' (see also http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes). > I did bounce over to a console and postgresql is running, but nothing in it. > Anyone else able to try it out? There is a new version online now btw (http://www.sonologic.nl/Projects/PgLive), which should be close to what the final release will be (given the deadline). Do you need a cd label design too? Who is in charge of the production process, finance and stuff like that? Gr, Koen
Hello Koen, I've downloaded your iso and had a look at it. On Friday 30 June 2006 07:03, Koen Martens wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I just tested this. The intro is nice but I am unable to launch X. I > > wouldn't sweat it, because it is a common problem with my laptop. My > > Laptop requires vesa, but X detects the ATI and tries to use it (but it > > fails). My own laptop loaded up fine into X, looks nice. Can you have konquorer appear automatically on bootup? Add english language bookmarks on konqueror for the postgres referencesand configure the home page button to your introduction page. > I bet there's a boot option for that, probably 'xmodule=vesa' (see > also http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes). It might be useful if you could offer a README screen for a particular function button as the CD boots up and explain whatto do for certain situations such as suggesting command line options for the boot up sequence. Maybe you could install the console based webbrowser, elinks, which will permit the user to read the postgresql documentationwithout the need of a graphics environment. Have it load up automatically in one of the virtual consoles suchas tty1. > > I did bounce over to a console and postgresql is running, but nothing in > > it. ahh, sample databases with some tables ... maybe some csv files can be made available with some instruction on how to loadthem thus saving the user any grief if his machine is short on RAM. What do you think about configuring the user's database to have procedural languages already installed? Can you document and state at boot up time the minimum amount of RAM for graphic and non-graphic environments? Running theiso on a 'free' version of vmware is an easy way identifying the requirements. Hope this is helpfull. cheers
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 01:03:23PM +0200, Koen Martens wrote: > cd label design too? Who is in charge of the production process, > finance and stuff like that? As a reminder, Pervasive would be happy to handle production of the CDs. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
Jim, > As a reminder, Pervasive would be happy to handle production of the CDs. The goal is to avoid putting any company's name on them this time so that the CDs can be used at multiple conferences. --Josh Berkus
On Friday 30 June 2006 17:17, Josh Berkus wrote: > Jim, > > > As a reminder, Pervasive would be happy to handle production of the CDs. > > The goal is to avoid putting any company's name on them this time so > that the CDs can be used at multiple conferences. Pervasive could however, contribute to the PostgreSQL SPI fund to help pay for the cds if they like. It is tax deductible. Joshua D. Drake > > --Josh Berkus > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
How much y'all need? S -----Original Message----- From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:34 AM To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org Cc: Josh Berkus; Jim Nasby; Koen Martens; robin@sonologic.nl; Stephen Slezak Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] postgresql live-cd On Friday 30 June 2006 17:17, Josh Berkus wrote: > Jim, > > > As a reminder, Pervasive would be happy to handle production of the CDs. > > The goal is to avoid putting any company's name on them this time so > that the CDs can be used at multiple conferences. Pervasive could however, contribute to the PostgreSQL SPI fund to help pay for the cds if they like. It is tax deductible. Joshua D. Drake > > --Josh Berkus > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote: > How much y'all need? I will be able to let you know this week. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > S > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua D. Drake [mailto:jd@commandprompt.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:34 AM > To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org > Cc: Josh Berkus; Jim Nasby; Koen Martens; robin@sonologic.nl; Stephen > Slezak > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] postgresql live-cd > > On Friday 30 June 2006 17:17, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Jim, > > > > > As a reminder, Pervasive would be happy to handle production of the > > > CDs. > > > > The goal is to avoid putting any company's name on them this time so > > that the CDs can be used at multiple conferences. > > Pervasive could however, contribute to the PostgreSQL SPI fund to help pay > for the cds if they like. It is tax deductible. > > Joshua D. Drake > > > --Josh Berkus > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote: >> How much y'all need? > > I will be able to let you know this week. We'll probably have a last version of the CD ready today, although it is lacking a bit into the example databases department. It has procedural languages, but you need to enable them when you create a database. There is currently no example database using procedural languages on the iso. We'll check out some of the other live cd's for example db's for a very last release i think, although we did seem to have trouble locating them. If someone has a bundle of nice example databases lying around -> please mail me! Joshua, when do you need the master image? Gr, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 08:14, Koen Martens wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote: > >> How much y'all need? > > > > I will be able to let you know this week. > > We'll probably have a last version of the CD ready today, although > it is lacking a bit into the example databases department. It has > procedural languages, but you need to enable them when you create a > database. There is currently no example database using procedural > languages on the iso. Why not add the languages to template1 so that they are created automatically? > > > Joshua, when do you need the master image? > No later then Friday morning PST. > Gr, > > Koen
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:14, Koen Martens wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote: > >> How much y'all need? > > > > I will be able to let you know this week. > > We'll probably have a last version of the CD ready today, although > it is lacking a bit into the example databases department. It has > procedural languages, but you need to enable them when you create a > database. There is currently no example database using procedural > languages on the iso. > > We'll check out some of the other live cd's for example db's for a > very last release i think, although we did seem to have trouble > locating them. > > If someone has a bundle of nice example databases lying around -> > please mail me! > The pagila sample database has sql and plpgsql functions, a custom aggregate and custom domain, and optionally tsearch2 as well. You can get it from the sample databases project at http://pgfoundry.org/projects/dbsamples/ -- Robert Treat Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Guys,
I'm announcing that I'm on the tailend of completing my own implementation of
pg_live. It's based on Ubuntu so it has full installation capabilities if
the user wants it.
The full version weighs in around 720mb but that's going to drop after I have
removed the language packages that aren't required in an English only
environment.
There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the standard
reference documentation. All of which is accesible through its own http
webserver.
Here's an excerpt of the iso's README file:
===============================
FEATURES
Pg_live is a sophisticated environment that runs a number of services on
bootup and includes:
- Apache, which is enabled with PHP
- SSH server thus allowing secure logins from other workstations that are on
the same network
- PostgreSQL, version 8.1.4
- pgpool, the PostgreSQL connection pool daemon
The PostgreSQL server has been preconfigured with the following procedural
languages:
plpgsql
plr
plperl
plperlu
plpythonu
pltcl
pltclu
plphp
plphpu
The following interpretative programing languages are included:
perl
python
R
tcl
PHP
OTHER
- Postgresql contributions
- SLONY (with lots of example scripts)
POSTGRESQL CLIENTS AND UTILITIES
pgadmin3
phppgadmin
psql
The console based web-browser, ELINKS, is ideal when running in "console only"
mode. Thus permitting access to otherwise inaccesible GUI features such as
pg_live's Apache PHP client, phppgadmin, and of course the included reference
documentation.
HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS
- GUI, 160MB RAM (default boot, all services running)
- GUI, 125MB RAM (runlevel 4, no services running)
- CONSOLE, 55MB RAM (single user mode, runlevel 1, no services running)
- CONSOLE, 90MB RAM (runlevel 3, all services running)
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:28, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 July 2006 08:14, Koen Martens wrote:
> > Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote:
> > >> How much y'all need?
> > >
> > > I will be able to let you know this week.
> >
> > We'll probably have a last version of the CD ready today, although
> > it is lacking a bit into the example databases department. It has
> > procedural languages, but you need to enable them when you create a
> > database. There is currently no example database using procedural
> > languages on the iso.
>
> Why not add the languages to template1 so that they are created
> automatically?
>
> > Joshua, when do you need the master image?
>
> No later then Friday morning PST.
>
> > Gr,
> >
> > Koen
>
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pgsql@metro.cx (Koen Martens) writes: > If someone has a bundle of nice example databases lying around -> > please mail me! The following should be suitable for this... <http://pgfoundry.org/projects/dbsamples/> -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "cbbrowne.com") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/emacs.html Evil Overlords tend to get overthrown due to overly baroque plans with obvious fatal errors. Follow the "Rules of the Evil Overlord," and you need not fear heroic opposition, whether that hero be James Bond, Flash Gordon, or a little hobbit named Frodo.
Hello,
I have been working on getting a company to press the cd's for us. I am fairly
certain I have been successful but, we can NOT delay the delivery of the ISO.
We are already pushing it by giving only two weeks for them.
So everyone knows:
QTY: 2000 cds
White Envelope with Window
Insertion included in cost
Full color label with blue elephant
Based on all of this, I would ask that I have the ISO no later then thursday
if possible.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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I wish i had known this all, i would have never gotten in to this. I put one of my employees on this, it has cost me money. Apparently, there was no need for our effort afterall, so I basically wasted money. Bit disappointed here. What a complete waste of time this has been. Robert Bernier wrote: > Guys, > > I'm announcing that I'm on the tailend of completing my own implementation of pg_live. It's based on Ubuntu so it hasfull installation capabilities if the user wants it. > > The full version weighs in around 720mb but that's going to drop after I have removed the language packages that aren'trequired in an English only environment. > > There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the standard reference documentation. All of which is accesiblethrough its own http webserver. > > Here's an excerpt of the iso's README file: > > =============================== > FEATURES > Pg_live is a sophisticated environment that runs a number of services on bootup and includes: > > - Apache, which is enabled with PHP > - SSH server thus allowing secure logins from other workstations that are on the same network > - PostgreSQL, version 8.1.4 > - pgpool, the PostgreSQL connection pool daemon > > The PostgreSQL server has been preconfigured with the following procedural languages: > plpgsql > plr > plperl > plperlu > plpythonu > pltcl > pltclu > plphp > plphpu > > The following interpretative programing languages are included: > perl > python > R > tcl > PHP > > OTHER > - Postgresql contributions > - SLONY (with lots of example scripts) > > POSTGRESQL CLIENTS AND UTILITIES > pgadmin3 > phppgadmin > psql > > The console based web-browser, ELINKS, is ideal when running in "console only" mode. Thus permitting access to otherwiseinaccesible GUI features such as pg_live's Apache PHP client, phppgadmin, and of course the included reference documentation. > > HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS > - GUI, 160MB RAM (default boot, all services running) > - GUI, 125MB RAM (runlevel 4, no services running) > - CONSOLE, 55MB RAM (single user mode, runlevel 1, no services running) > - CONSOLE, 90MB RAM (runlevel 3, all services running) > > > > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:28, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> On Wednesday 05 July 2006 08:14, Koen Martens wrote: >>> Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>>> On Wednesday 05 July 2006 06:54, Stephen Slezak wrote: >>>>> How much y'all need? >>>> I will be able to let you know this week. >>> We'll probably have a last version of the CD ready today, although >>> it is lacking a bit into the example databases department. It has >>> procedural languages, but you need to enable them when you create a >>> database. There is currently no example database using procedural >>> languages on the iso. >> Why not add the languages to template1 so that they are created >> automatically? >> >>> Joshua, when do you need the master image? >> No later then Friday morning PST. >> >>> Gr, >>> >>> Koen >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 16:26, Koen Martens wrote: > I wish i had known this all, i would have never gotten in to this. I > put one of my employees on this, it has cost me money. Apparently, > there was no need for our effort afterall, so I basically wasted > money. Bit disappointed here. What a complete waste of time this has > been. I see this as a good thing that the community has a choice. After all, Ubuntu doesn't boot up into everything and knoppix doesn't either. Providing something for the community is never a waste of time or money. robert
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Based on all of this, I would ask that I have the ISO no later then thursday > if possible. Well, let me know which one you prefer. The stuff we've been working on, or the one based on ubuntu. We can have the ISO ready by tomorrow, incorporating most of the comments on this list. But only if it makes sense. If the ubuntu one is going to be used, i'm not going to put more effort in this. I hate doing work that is only a duplication of what others are doing, that gives me no satisfaction at all. Gr, Koen -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, hosting, embedded systems, unix, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/
Koen Martens wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> Based on all of this, I would ask that I have the ISO no later then >> thursday if possible. > > Well, let me know which one you prefer. The stuff we've been working > on, or the one based on ubuntu. We can have the ISO ready by > tomorrow, incorporating most of the comments on this list. But only > if it makes sense. If the ubuntu one is going to be used, i'm not > going to put more effort in this. I hate doing work that is only a > duplication of what others are doing, that gives me no satisfaction > at all. > > Gr, > > Koen speaking for myself, I think we should cut some of BOTH. Koen, Please don't give up on contributing. We need ALL the contributions from EVERYONE to keep the project moving forward. Larry Rosenman -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 512-248-2683 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 430 Valona Loop, Round Rock, TX 78681-3893
I will notify you of the url when the I've completed an upload of the latest version of the pg_live iso in the next few hours. On Wednesday 05 July 2006 16:45, Koen Martens wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Based on all of this, I would ask that I have the ISO no later then > > thursday if possible. > > Well, let me know which one you prefer. The stuff we've been working > on, or the one based on ubuntu. We can have the ISO ready by > tomorrow, incorporating most of the comments on this list. But only > if it makes sense. If the ubuntu one is going to be used, i'm not > going to put more effort in this. I hate doing work that is only a > duplication of what others are doing, that gives me no satisfaction > at all. > > Gr, > > Koen
pgsql@metro.cx (Koen Martens) writes: > I wish i had known this all, i would have never gotten in to this. I > put one of my employees on this, it has cost me money. Apparently, > there was no need for our effort afterall, so I basically wasted > money. Bit disappointed here. What a complete waste of time this has > been. Surely not... It's a good thing to get fresh faces involved with this. A "nice to have" would be for there to be two CDs with somewhat varying intents. If discussion over the last year means anything, there is a desire for there to be a FreeBSD-based "live CD," and if that emerges, it seems an excellent idea to have a choice of both a Linux-based option and a FreeBSD-based option. Nothing wrong with that. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "gro.mca" "@" "enworbbc")) http://cbbrowne.com/info/advocacy.html "A statement is either correct or incorrect. To be *very* incorrect is like being *very* dead ... " -- Herbert F. Spirer Professor of Information Management University of Conn. (DATAMATION Letters, Sept. 1, 1984)
$1225.00 and of course more if you can spare it. The SPI account is used for more then just this, so anytime you can contribute it would be good. https://128bit.clickandpledge.com/default.aspx?ID=12235&cid=US&a= Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 17:47, Chris Browne wrote: > pgsql@metro.cx (Koen Martens) writes: > > I wish i had known this all, i would have never gotten in to this. I > > put one of my employees on this, it has cost me money. Apparently, > > there was no need for our effort afterall, so I basically wasted > > money. Bit disappointed here. What a complete waste of time this has > > been. > > Surely not... It's a good thing to get fresh faces involved with > this. here here! > A "nice to have" would be for there to be two CDs with somewhat > varying intents. If discussion over the last year means anything, > there is a desire for there to be a FreeBSD-based "live CD," and if > that emerges, it seems an excellent idea to have a choice of both a > Linux-based option and a FreeBSD-based option. Nothing wrong with > that. And I have the perfect candidate, Dru Lavigne. She just this week completed a multi install dvd where you can choose to installeither FreeBSD, DragonFly, Open or Net BSD and that includes all the documentation for each distro AND the latestmaterial for the BSDcertification initiative. Why not ask her, she'll be at the conference this weekend?
Is anyone else chipping in ? I have 500$ I could contribute. S
Hi! I've been working with Koen on the Knoppix based postgres live CD... Thanks for all the comments and suggestions, recent changes: * procedual languages are installed into the template1 db. * The pgfoundry example databases (paglia, world) were already installed on last weeks iso. - now I added a unzipped version so that a user low on RAM can read the .sql files without extracting them...) * improved support for non X11 mode. (gpm, auto-start doc.browser on tty1,..) * many minor fixes (new splash screen, replacement for the low-res pgadmin3 icon, updatedb, kde config,...) stay tuned. I'm just uploading the new image. Robert Bernier wrote: > I'm announcing that I'm on the tailend of completing my own > implementation of pg_live. I'm still downloading it. so I can't comment on it, yet. Reading 'tru the Ubuntu pg-live feature list. I find that it has about the same Features as our knoppix pg-live but the Knoppix variant is somewhat more lightweight: - in runlevel 2 requires only 32 MB RAM - and runlevel 5 (X+KDE) works from about 100 MB - apache + pgphpadmin, sshd,... are installed but not started by default. (there's even a start button in the KDE menu for 'em ;-) - procedural lang support seems to be identical (perl,tcl,php,r,python) and so are the various contrib packages (slony, tsearch2, pgpool,...) > It's based on Ubuntu so it has full installation capabilities if > the user wants it. knoppix can install itself, too (create persistant disk-image Button in the KDE menu) - I don't want to start an Ubuntu vs. Knoppix thread now... but AFAICT the Knoppix autoconfiguration is suitable for more Systems than Ubuntu... > There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the > standard reference documentation. If your doc is not specific the ubuntu-live-cd it would be great if we can include them.. - I'd also be interested in the slony example scripts that you mention. -robin
Hello Robin, On Thursday 06 July 2006 10:09, Robin Gareus wrote: > * improved support for non X11 mode. (gpm, auto-start > doc.browser on tty1,..) gpm is a good idea; I find it very usefull > stay tuned. I'm just uploading the new image. I'm curious too :-) > Reading 'tru the Ubuntu pg-live feature list. I find that it has about > the same Features as our knoppix pg-live but the Knoppix variant is > somewhat more lightweight: Yeah, the first time I develop pg_live (2yrs ago) I thought in terms of downloading the iso off the internet. This time aroundit's more about completeness. > - apache + pgphpadmin, sshd,... are installed but not started by > default. (there's even a start button in the KDE menu for 'em ;-) another good idea i.e. make sure the user knows he has a choice > - procedural lang support seems to be identical (perl,tcl,php,r,python) Did you create an R environment for plr? > and so are the various contrib packages (slony, tsearch2, pgpool,...) > > > It's based on Ubuntu so it has full installation capabilities if > > the user wants it. > > knoppix can install itself, too (create persistant disk-image Button in > the KDE menu) It's been a year since I looked at knoppix, has it become easier to install? > - I don't want to start an Ubuntu vs. Knoppix thread > now... but AFAICT the Knoppix autoconfiguration is suitable for more > Systems than Ubuntu... I wanted to try out Xubuntu just for the fun of it (it uses squashfs as opposed to the knoppix cloop). The biggest difference I found was the simplicity of installing Xubuntu as a working system. The distro has a cool bootupsequence. > > There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the > > standard reference documentation. > > If your doc is not specific the ubuntu-live-cd it would be great if we > can include them.. - I'd also be interested in the slony example scripts > that you mention. The documentation is part of my writings written for various publications from the past few years. You may use my articlesbut please keep my copyright on them. Another request, please do not change the text without first consulting with me (after all this is my bread and butter). Be advised pg_live includes documentation from one other author, the R tutorial. I would like to see the development of a standard set of documentation for future live-cds and see about getting them translatedinto other languages thus enabling non-english venues with a live cd. Perhaps doing it in French could be the nexttranslation. Comments? cheers Robert
>> - apache + pgphpadmin, sshd,... are installed but not started by >> default. (there's even a start button in the KDE menu for 'em ;-) > > another good idea i.e. make sure the user knows he has a choice > There's a note on the "Notes" page of the html doc. - maybe a Desktop icon would be more suitable ;) I'll fix that later tonight (CEST) - I'll redo the pg-live knoppix iso image again - the current (rev08) has a small Bug: every item in the KDE-knoppix menu is duplicated. :( >> - procedural lang support seems to be identical >> (perl,tcl,php,r,python) > > Did you create an R environment for plr? not really. I was thinking of installing lapack and the various available debian packages, but was scared about diskspace (now I might want to get back and install some of 'em.) > It's been a year since I looked at knoppix, has it become easier to install? I didn't try it myself. > I would like to see the development of a standard set of documentation > for future live-cds and see about getting them translated into other > languages thus enabling non-english venues with a live cd. Perhaps > doing it in French could be the next translation. Comments? I agree - the current doc we included is definitly just tentative. (it is located on the container-iso separated from the system-image-iso, so it's also easy to change) - but given the tight deadline, I didn't bother to cook something up, yet: we could start a cvs/svn repo on pgfoundry or use a wiki to collect the content... and yes: If we're gonna keep 200MB of language support files to the iso, we should at least translate the welcome screen of the pg_live documentation :) -robin
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > I have been working on getting a company to press the cd's for us. I am fairly > certain I have been successful but, we can NOT delay the delivery of the ISO. > We are already pushing it by giving only two weeks for them. > > So everyone knows: > > QTY: 2000 cds > White Envelope with Window > Insertion included in cost > Full color label with blue elephant Joshua ( or anyone else ) where can I find an 'approved' CD label? I'd like to burn a few CDs for passing around to the local Linux user group and computer/tech community. TIA, Rod -- > > Based on all of this, I would ask that I have the ISO no later then thursday > if possible. > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > >
Robert, I'm unhappy that you're doing your own, separate live-cd and not collaborating with Koen or Robin at all. Is there a good reason for this? --Josh Berkus
Bonjour Guillaume, Do you have a copy of the CD with the documentation? I would say the first step is to acquire the the french language version of the postgresql pages and install them onto theCD. The next step is to configure the bookmarks on the browser for a franco version. We then have to configure the boot up sequence to automatically choose the correct set of documents when the live CD bootsup i.e. synchronize the locale with the language options currently available with the CDs at boot up time. On Monday 10 July 2006 17:42, Guillaume LELARGE wrote: > Robert Bernier a écrit : > > [...] > > > >>> There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the > >>> standard reference documentation........... > I would love to see a french one, something we can show on french booth. > How can I start ?
Robert Bernier a écrit : > Bonjour Guillaume, > > Do you have a copy of the CD with the documentation? > I just grab one. I mounted it, mounted the squashfs file system and found the html files (toc, main, documentation) and the folders (articles and ebook). > I would say the first step is to acquire the the french language version of the postgresql pages and install them ontothe CD. The next step is to configure the bookmarks on the browser for a franco version. > > We then have to configure the boot up sequence to automatically choose the correct set of documents when the live CD bootsup i.e. synchronize the locale with the language options currently available with the CDs at boot up time. > OK, I'm gonna do this. Let's begin with the html files... -- Guillaume. <!-- http://abs.traduc.org/ http://lfs.traduc.org/ http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/ -->
Robert Bernier a écrit : > [...] >>> There's a lot of documentation that I've added in added to the >>> standard reference documentation. >> If your doc is not specific the ubuntu-live-cd it would be great if we >> can include them.. - I'd also be interested in the slony example scripts >> that you mention. > > The documentation is part of my writings written for various publications from the past few years. You may use my articlesbut please keep my copyright on them. > > Another request, please do not change the text without first consulting with me (after all this is my bread and butter). > > Be advised pg_live includes documentation from one other author, the R tutorial. > > I would like to see the development of a standard set of documentation for future live-cds and see about getting them translatedinto other languages thus enabling non-english venues with a live cd. Perhaps doing it in French could be the nexttranslation. Comments? > I would love to see a french one, something we can show on french booth. How can I start ? -- Guillaume. <!-- http://abs.traduc.org/ http://lfs.traduc.org/ http://traduc.postgresqlfr.org/ -->