Thread: New mug design

Hello,

over the last years we bought mugs in europe from kernel-concepts, a
german based company. Now i was told that the depot is empty, the last
two boxes was sent to paris, one month ago.

kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
mugs.

Personally i find the old design a bit - artless. Here are some photos:

http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7025_640x480.jpg
http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7027_640x480.jpg
http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7030_640x480.jpg

The blue color is really bright and could be more PG blue, the
"PostgreSQL" lettering could be more sublime. Also i would like to see
glasses, same size as the ceramic mugs.


Opinions?



Bye

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                Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

2009/11/15 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
>
> Hello,
>
> over the last years we bought mugs in europe from kernel-concepts, a
> german based company. Now i was told that the depot is empty, the last
> two boxes was sent to paris, one month ago.
>
> kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
> chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
> mugs.
>
> Personally i find the old design a bit - artless. Here are some photos:
>
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7025_640x480.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7027_640x480.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7030_640x480.jpg
>
> The blue color is really bright and could be more PG blue, the
> "PostgreSQL" lettering could be more sublime. Also i would like to see
> glasses, same size as the ceramic mugs.
>
>
> Opinions?
>

I actually like the font for the text that's used in the header of
PostgreSQL.org but colourised as such:
http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/postgresql.png

And maybe it's also an option to include the tagline "The world's most
advanced open source database"

In any case, I'm happy with my PostgreSQL mug (the same as your
pictures) which I use for work.

Thom

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 22:31, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/11/15 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> over the last years we bought mugs in europe from kernel-concepts, a
>> german based company. Now i was told that the depot is empty, the last
>> two boxes was sent to paris, one month ago.
>>
>> kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
>> chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
>> mugs.
>>
>> Personally i find the old design a bit - artless. Here are some photos:
>>
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7025_640x480.jpg
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7027_640x480.jpg
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7030_640x480.jpg
>>
>> The blue color is really bright and could be more PG blue, the
>> "PostgreSQL" lettering could be more sublime. Also i would like to see
>> glasses, same size as the ceramic mugs.
>>
>>
>> Opinions?
>>
>
> I actually like the font for the text that's used in the header of
> PostgreSQL.org but colourised as such:
> http://proyectofedora.org/colombia/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/postgresql.png

We specifically *avoid* using a separate color for the word SQL,
because it encourages people to call the product Postgre. So we don't
wnat to go there.

> And maybe it's also an option to include the tagline "The world's most
> advanced open source database"
>
> In any case, I'm happy with my PostgreSQL mug (the same as your
> pictures) which I use for work.

Yeah, all the ones I have are great :-)

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2009/11/15 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>:
> We specifically *avoid* using a separate color for the word SQL,
> because it encourages people to call the product Postgre. So we don't
> wnat to go there.

I never considered anyone would make that mistake, but fair enough.  I
know it may be blasphemic, but I think the logo itself could actually
do with a bit of an update.

Thom

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:36:39 +0100 Magnus Hagander wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 22:31, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In any case, I'm happy with my PostgreSQL mug (the same as your
> > pictures) which I use for work.
>
> Yeah, all the ones I have are great :-)

But hey, you want to buy new ones, if they have a new design, right? ;-)


--
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German PostgreSQL User Group
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Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

ADS,

Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
last box.

Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
per the vi coffee mug:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/exclusives/7bbe/

The other option in the US would be an *inexpensive* travel mug made
from recycled plastic, if we could locate such a thing; then we'd be
"green conferencing".

However, as before I think that merchandising isn't what it used to be
in the US, and here we should focus more on straight-up donations instead.

--Josh Berkus

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> ADS,
>
> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> last box.

We don't seem to have much of a problem selling mugs.

> The other option in the US would be an *inexpensive* travel mug made
> from recycled plastic, if we could locate such a thing; then we'd be
> "green conferencing".

Nice idea.


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On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 22:46, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
<adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:36:39 +0100 Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 22:31, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > In any case, I'm happy with my PostgreSQL mug (the same as your
>> > pictures) which I use for work.
>>
>> Yeah, all the ones I have are great :-)
>
> But hey, you want to buy new ones, if they have a new design, right? ;-)

Yes.

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:42, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
>> ADS,
>>
>> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
>> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
>> last box.
>
> We don't seem to have much of a problem selling mugs.

Nope.. They're not as popular as the plush elephants, but they're
definitely not hard to sell.


>> The other option in the US would be an *inexpensive* travel mug made
>> from recycled plastic, if we could locate such a thing; then we'd be
>> "green conferencing".
>
> Nice idea.

Yeah.

Another more high-end option would be one of those thermos mugs.
Obviously a lot more expensive, but quite popular.

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:46:01 +0100 Magnus Hagander wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:42, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> >> ADS,
> >>
> >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> >> last box.
> >
> > We don't seem to have much of a problem selling mugs.
>
> Nope.. They're not as popular as the plush elephants, but they're
> definitely not hard to sell.

Yep. It's not a problem to sell a box with mugs on a conference,
especially events like FOSDEM.



> >> The other option in the US would be an *inexpensive* travel mug made
> >> from recycled plastic, if we could locate such a thing; then we'd be
> >> "green conferencing".
> >
> > Nice idea.
>
> Yeah.

+1

I like this idea. And you can even use this to spend a mug with a
free soft drink to a stand visitor, once you started a talk with
him. He won't go away until the mug is empty ;-)



> Another more high-end option would be one of those thermos mugs.
> Obviously a lot more expensive, but quite popular.

I can try. But for this we definitely need a better design ...



Bye

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:44:49 +0100 Magnus Hagander wrote:

> > But hey, you want to buy new ones, if they have a new design, right? ;-)
>
> Yes.

Sold!

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Josh Berkus a écrit :
> ADS,
>
> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> last box.
>
> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> per the vi coffee mug:
>

Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

:P

> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/exclusives/7bbe/
>
> The other option in the US would be an *inexpensive* travel mug made
> from recycled plastic, if we could locate such a thing; then we'd be
> "green conferencing".
>

From my own experience, the current mugs from kernel-concepts are pretty
fragile. I don't have precise figures but i would say that 1 of 12 is
broken, chipped or breached out-of-the-box, just because of shipping.

Afterward the lifetime of the mug is quite varying. I would say 1 of 6
doesn't last more than 1 year.

all in all, that makes something like 25% being trashed within the first
year, so i think we should give a try to plastic mugs if that's possible.

2009/11/16 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
> Josh Berkus a écrit :
>> ADS,
>>
>> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
>> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
>> last box.
>>
>> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
>> per the vi coffee mug:
>>
>
> Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>

That's a great suggestion! :)

Thom

On sön, 2009-11-15 at 22:36 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > In any case, I'm happy with my PostgreSQL mug (the same as your
> > pictures) which I use for work.
>
> Yeah, all the ones I have are great :-)

Yeah, they're classics in the entire family.  Let's not spoil them.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:13:29 -0800 Josh Berkus wrote:

> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> last box.

Is this just an elephant or an EDB lettering too?

To be honest, i don't expect to pay for a mug with a company logo on it.



Bye

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Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 11:18:16, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum a écrit :
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:13:29 -0800 Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> > practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> > last box.
>
> Is this just an elephant or an EDB lettering too?
>
> To be honest, i don't expect to pay for a mug with a company logo on it.
>

+1


--
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 http://www.postgresqlfr.org
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:47:11 -0200 Marcelo Costa wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <
> adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:13:29 -0800 Josh Berkus wrote:
> >
> > > Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> > > practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> > > last box.
> >
> > Is this just an elephant or an EDB lettering too?
> >
> > To be honest, i don't expect to pay for a mug with a company logo on it.
> >
> >
> Just to add, in Brazil 2009 conference all the 100 mugs over in one day.

Cool!



> The design of the 2009 PostgreSQL Conference mugs is:
> http://www.marcelocosta.net/mug_brazil.jpg

This looks very nice, i like the design.



I have something like the "0970" article on this website in my mind:

http://www.promonova.ch/glas-tassen.html



Bye

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damien@dalibo.info (damien clochard) writes:
> Josh Berkus a écrit :
>> ADS,
>>
>> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
>> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
>> last box.
>>
>> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
>> per the vi coffee mug:
>>
>
> Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).

I'd rather something like:

  INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');
--
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doesn't  have the weight of the  Pentagon behind him.   I really don't
imagine that the Air Force will ever be  able to operate like a small,
competitive enterprise like GM or IBM." -- Kent England

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:10 -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
> damien@dalibo.info (damien clochard) writes:
> > Josh Berkus a écrit :
> >> ADS,
> >>
> >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> >> last box.

In Open Source there is an extreme difference between SWAG that is about
a project versus a product (or company).

Although I agree we should have a great mug design, I don't think the
comparison between a very well done Elephant logo mug and that of a
commercial marketing ploy is valid.

> >>
> >> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> >> per the vi coffee mug:
> >>
> >
> > Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

> That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).
>
> I'd rather something like:
>
>   INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');

Too much.

How about:

COMMIT;


> --
> "I really only meant to point out how nice InterOp was for someone who
> doesn't  have the weight of the  Pentagon behind him.   I really don't
> imagine that the Air Force will ever be  able to operate like a small,
> competitive enterprise like GM or IBM." -- Kent England
>


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On Monday 16 November 2009 12:20:26 Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:10 -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
> > damien@dalibo.info (damien clochard) writes:
> > > Josh Berkus a écrit :
> > >> ADS,
> > >>
> > >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> > >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to
> > >> the last box.
>
> In Open Source there is an extreme difference between SWAG that is about
> a project versus a product (or company).
>
> Although I agree we should have a great mug design, I don't think the
> comparison between a very well done Elephant logo mug and that of a
> commercial marketing ploy is valid.
>
> > >> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> > >> per the vi coffee mug:
> > >
> > > Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
> >
> > That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).
> >
> > I'd rather something like:
> >
> >   INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');
>
> Too much.
>
> How about:
>
> COMMIT;
>

I think for most of us "BEGIN" would be more appropriate. :-)

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On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:54 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:

> > > That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).
> > >
> > > I'd rather something like:
> > >
> > >   INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');
> >
> > Too much.
> >
> > How about:
> >
> > COMMIT;
> >
>
> I think for most of us "BEGIN" would be more appropriate. :-)
>

I thought about that. I was considering COMMIT as in, the mug is a
"commitment" silly as that may be. BEGIN works too though :)

Joshua D. Drake


> --
> Robert Treat
> Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net
> Consulting: http://www.omniti.com
>


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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:54:58 -0500 Robert Treat wrote:

> On Monday 16 November 2009 12:20:26 Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >
> > How about:
> >
> > COMMIT;
> >
>
> I think for most of us "BEGIN" would be more appropriate. :-)

Both are fine for me - but in addition there should be the PG logo.
Else the mug is "valid" for all sql databases and is not really unique
for PostgreSQL.


What about another sort of mugs or glasses?

http://www.promonova.ch/glas-tassen.html



Bye

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Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:10 -0500, Chris Browne wrote:
> damien@dalibo.info (damien clochard) writes:
> > Josh Berkus a écrit :
> >> ADS,
> >>
> >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> >> last box.

In Open Source there is an extreme difference between SWAG that is about
a project versus a product (or company).

Although I agree we should have a great mug design, I don't think the
comparison between a very well done Elephant logo mug and that of a
commercial marketing ploy is valid.

> >>
> >> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> >> per the vi coffee mug:
> >>
> >
> > Why not :  INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

> That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).
>
> I'd rather something like:
>
>   INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');

Too much.

How about:

COMMIT;


> --
> "I really only meant to point out how nice InterOp was for someone who
> doesn't  have the weight of the  Pentagon behind him.   I really don't
> imagine that the Air Force will ever be  able to operate like a small,
> competitive enterprise like GM or IBM." -- Kent England
>


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On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:54 -0500, Robert Treat wrote:

> > > That seems like an EAV model to me, and therefore evil ;-).
> > >
> > > I'd rather something like:
> > >
> > >   INSERT INTO MUGS (BEVERAGE) VALUES ('Coffee'), ('Espresso'), ('Tea');
> >
> > Too much.
> >
> > How about:
> >
> > COMMIT;
> >
>
> I think for most of us "BEGIN" would be more appropriate. :-)
>

I thought about that. I was considering COMMIT as in, the mug is a
"commitment" silly as that may be. BEGIN works too though :)

Joshua D. Drake


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>


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On mån, 2009-11-16 at 23:10 +0100, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:54:58 -0500 Robert Treat wrote:
>
> > On Monday 16 November 2009 12:20:26 Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > >
> > > How about:
> > >
> > > COMMIT;
> > >
> >
> > I think for most of us "BEGIN" would be more appropriate. :-)
>
> Both are fine for me - but in addition there should be the PG logo.
> Else the mug is "valid" for all sql databases and is not really unique
> for PostgreSQL.

If you create a geek mug, only geeks will buy and use it.  The current
set of merchandise (e.g., mugs, pens, stress balls) is very family
friendly.  The more gibberish you put on it, the less useful they will
become.  ("Peter, why does it say COMMIT; next to the cute elephant?" --
"Oh, just use a different cup.")

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote:

> I would like to see a nicely shaped mug. The current one is boring, as
> coffee mugs go. The logo is too big. I understand why you have trouble
> getting people to take them. It is bloody ugly! It would ONLY appeal to
> PostgreSQL enthusiasts or people with no design sense.

I guess you missed the messages where we said we have no problems selling them?


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And there was light!

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote:
> I saw the message from Josh where he said that it was hard to unload them.

Which was followed by a bunch more saying they sell very well.

> I didn't say that no one would want them. I'm just saying that I'd like to
> see a serious attempt at good design.

No problem with a new design and don't disagree with the other points
you make. What can you come up with? Most of us PG enthusiasts have no
design sense, so we need a little help :-) (seriously).

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2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disliked.
3 : an enthusiast or expert especially in a technological field or activity e.g. PostgreSQL geek.

2009/11/17 Oliver Kohll <oliver@gtwm.co.uk>:
>
> On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Rob Napier wrote:
>
> I quite liked the statements that linked what is going into the mug to the
> SQL statement. At least they were relevant.
>
> "The amazing PostgreSQL coffee mug - the only breakfast tool with with hot
> standby facility and external toast relation!"
> OK, sorry
> Oliver
>

Or: PostgreSQL: The elephant never forgets.

Thom

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:03:04 +1100 Rob Napier wrote:


> How much time do we have?

I would say, the next big event in europe is FOSDEM, february.
Something else on the radar?


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On 17/11/2009 17:20, Christophe Pettus wrote:

> How about:
>
>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>     COMMIT;
>
> Too subtle/too much text?

Or maybe:

   begin;
   select Oracle;
   rollback;
   begin;
   select PostgreSQL;
   commit;

Definitely not subtle.... :-)

Ray.

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Raymond O'Donnell <rod@iol.ie> wrote:
> On 17/11/2009 17:20, Christophe Pettus wrote:
>
>> How about:
>>
>>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>>     COMMIT;
>>
>> Too subtle/too much text?

Actually, it's pretty close to what I was thinking.

> Or maybe:
>
>   begin;
>   select Oracle;
>   rollback;
>   begin;
>   select PostgreSQL;
>   commit;
>
> Definitely not subtle.... :-)

Naming the competition is probably not a great idea :-)


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I like both the original with Postgresql on the side
and the one that says insert into me values ('milk', coffee');

I want one :)

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On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Christophe Pettus wrote:

>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 3:52 AM, Rob Napier wrote:
>> But I think that commit; is a bit obscure.
>
> How about:
>
>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>     COMMIT;
>
> Too subtle/too much text?
>
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Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:

> kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
> chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
> mugs.

How about 3 lines:

1. line: begin;
2. line: our Logo
3. line: commit;

(without the word line, you know)

And, if enough space, more infos about PG, like link to our homepage
and/or 'the elephant never forget' or so.


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On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Raymond O'Donnell <rod@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On 17/11/2009 17:20, Christophe Pettus wrote:
>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>>>     COMMIT;
>>>
>>> Too subtle/too much text?
>
> Actually, it's pretty close to what I was thinking.
>>
>>

If you're interested, I've done etchings of geeky things on wine
glasses and beer mugs in the past. I could do 10-20 and ship them to
FOSDEM as special prizes :)

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Selena Deckelmann
<selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you're interested, I've done etchings of geeky things on wine glasses and
> beer mugs in the past. I could do 10-20 and ship them to FOSDEM as special
> prizes :)

It sounds interesting, but I think something like that is more
appropriate for a PG-specific conference, where we have a larger,
captive audience. The FOSDEM audience is too fluid if you know what I
mean.

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It'd be nicer ....

INSERT INTO database_world
values (lo_import('\\var\\postgresql-logo.png'));

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Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] New mug design

Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:

> kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
> chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
> mugs.

How about 3 lines:

1. line: begin;
2. line: our Logo
3. line: commit;

(without the word line, you know)

And, if enough space, more infos about PG, like link to our homepage
and/or 'the elephant never forget' or so.


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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:26:00 +0100 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:

> over the last years we bought mugs in europe from kernel-concepts, a
> german based company. Now i was told that the depot is empty, the last
> two boxes was sent to paris, one month ago.
>
> kernel-concepts will produce new mugs - and right now we have the
> chance to supply a new design, and (if desired) choose a new type of
> mugs.
>
> Personally i find the old design a bit - artless. Here are some photos:
>
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7025_640x480.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7027_640x480.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/dsc_7030_640x480.jpg
>
> The blue color is really bright and could be more PG blue, the
> "PostgreSQL" lettering could be more sublime. Also i would like to see
> glasses, same size as the ceramic mugs.

To sum up this discussion: i called my supplier today and asked for
several offers:


1) If we change the current design to something new, it needs 6 weeks
for preparation. So for having new mugs for FOSDEM we should have a
logo/art/lettering decision until end of november.

Note: They have to produce new mugs anyway, either we go with the
current design for another 10-15 boxes or we create something new.


2) I asked for other types of mugs, will get an offer.


3) It is possible to engrave mugs. The logo/text would not be printed
on the mug but instead the mug will have a relief with the logo/text in
it. Someone interested in this? I will get an offer.


4) Frozen glasses with imprint. I will get an offer.


5) Thermos mugs with imprint.  I will get an offer.


I was asked about "valuable" mugs, like the well-known vi-mug and like
Josh was suggesting, but i postponed this question because it was not
clear, what exactly we want to print on this mug. To be fair: we did
not even reach any conclusion about the current mug and i don't want to
open two parallel discussions.



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2009/11/18 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
> To sum up this discussion: i called my supplier today and asked for
> several offers:
>
>
> 1) If we change the current design to something new, it needs 6 weeks
> for preparation. So for having new mugs for FOSDEM we should have a
> logo/art/lettering decision until end of november.
>
> Note: They have to produce new mugs anyway, either we go with the
> current design for another 10-15 boxes or we create something new.
>
>
> 2) I asked for other types of mugs, will get an offer.
>
>
> 3) It is possible to engrave mugs. The logo/text would not be printed
> on the mug but instead the mug will have a relief with the logo/text in
> it. Someone interested in this? I will get an offer.

I like the sound of this one.

> 4) Frozen glasses with imprint. I will get an offer.
>
>
> 5) Thermos mugs with imprint.  I will get an offer.

I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.

> I was asked about "valuable" mugs, like the well-known vi-mug and like
> Josh was suggesting, but i postponed this question because it was not
> clear, what exactly we want to print on this mug. To be fair: we did
> not even reach any conclusion about the current mug and i don't want to
> open two parallel discussions.

Would this be open to discussion after a decision about this batch has
been reached?  I think a cheat-sheet-style mug would be desirable at
some point.

Thom

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:01:45 +0000 Thom Brown wrote:

> 2009/11/18 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
>
> > I was asked about "valuable" mugs, like the well-known vi-mug and like
> > Josh was suggesting, but i postponed this question because it was not
> > clear, what exactly we want to print on this mug. To be fair: we did
> > not even reach any conclusion about the current mug and i don't want to
> > open two parallel discussions.
>
> Would this be open to discussion after a decision about this batch has
> been reached?  I think a cheat-sheet-style mug would be desirable at
> some point.

Yes. But right now i fear that we mix two designs (a general PG mug and
the "valuable" mug) in the discussion. That's the reason why i
postponed this one.

I don't want to give up the general PG mug just for getting the other
one, but i like the idea and we can have two different mugs anyway.


Bye

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Dave Page wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote:
> > I saw the message from Josh where he said that it was hard to unload them.
>
> Which was followed by a bunch more saying they sell very well.
>
> > I didn't say that no one would want them. I'm just saying that I'd like to
> > see a serious attempt at good design.
>
> No problem with a new design and don't disagree with the other points
> you make. What can you come up with? Most of us PG enthusiasts have no
> design sense, so we need a little help :-) (seriously).

OK, I personally like shape of the Ingres mug (for details see
http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog.html#August_11_2008);  I think the
shape is elegant:

    http://momjian.us/main/img/Ingres.jpg

The cylindrical mugs are so square-looking, literally.

Second, maybe put 'COMMIT;' on the _bottom_ of the mug.

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Thom Brown wrote:
> 2009/11/17 Oliver Kohll <oliver@gtwm.co.uk>:
> >
> > On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:03, Rob Napier wrote:
> >
> > I quite liked the statements that linked what is going into the mug to the
> > SQL statement. At least they were relevant.
> >
> > "The amazing PostgreSQL coffee mug - the only breakfast tool with with hot
> > standby facility and external toast relation!"
> > OK, sorry
> > Oliver
> >
>
> Or: PostgreSQL: The elephant never forgets.

Yea, I like that.

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Thom Brown wrote:
> 2009/11/16 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
> > Josh Berkus a ?crit :
> >> ADS,
> >>
> >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> >> last box.
> >>
> >> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> >> per the vi coffee mug:
> >>
> >
> > Why not : ?INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
> >
>
> That's a great suggestion! :)

    INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');

?

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bruce wrote:
> Thom Brown wrote:
> > 2009/11/16 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
> > > Josh Berkus a ?crit :
> > >> ADS,
> > >>
> > >> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
> > >> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
> > >> last box.
> > >>
> > >> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
> > >> per the vi coffee mug:
> > >>
> > >
> > > Why not : ?INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
> > >
> >
> > That's a great suggestion! :)
>
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');

Or we could highlight our transacitonal DDL:

    BEGIN;
    CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
    COMMIT;

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I like that one too ...

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Thom Brown wrote:
>> 2009/11/16 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
>>> Josh Berkus a ?crit :
>>>> ADS,
>>>>
>>>> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
>>>> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
>>>> last box.
>>>>
>>>> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
>>>> per the vi coffee mug:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why not : ?INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>>>
>>
>> That's a great suggestion! :)
>
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
>
> ?
>
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> bruce wrote:
>> Thom Brown wrote:
>>> 2009/11/16 damien clochard <damien@dalibo.info>:
>>>> Josh Berkus a ?crit :
>>>>> ADS,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just an elephant-logo mug probably won't go very far here; we were
>>>>> practically forcing the EDB mugs on people (for free) once we got to the
>>>>> last box.
>>>>>
>>>>> Idea for a new mug design: do an instructional one of psql shortcuts,
>>>>> per the vi coffee mug:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not : ?INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's a great suggestion! :)
>>
>>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
>
> Or we could highlight our transacitonal DDL:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
>     COMMIT;

Add the INSERT INTO before the COMMIT ... ?  So that its complete?


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I suggest that you combine the two ideas:

>>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'water', 'sugar', 'cream');

And

>> BEGIN;
>> CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
>> COMMIT;

Regards

Rob Napier

Rob Napier wrote:
> I suggest that you combine the two ideas:
>
> >>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'water', 'sugar', 'cream');
>
> And
>
> >> BEGIN;
> >> CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
> >> COMMIT;

You mean:

    BEGIN;
    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
    INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
    COMMIT;

?

I don't think "water" makes sense unless you are making instant coffee,
which I think is atypical.

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Hello,

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:39:25 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Rob Napier wrote:
> > I suggest that you combine the two ideas:
> >
> > >>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'water', 'sugar', 'cream');
> >
> > And
> >
> > >> BEGIN;
> > >> CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
> > >> COMMIT;
>
> You mean:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
>     COMMIT;
>
> ?

+1

But we need to linebreak the third line, else it will go around
the mug (and i want the logo on the other side). So this results
in 5 lines SQL-code, that's ok.


What about the "SELECT PostgreSQL();" idea mentioned upthread?



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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Rob Napier wrote:
>> I suggest that you combine the two ideas:
>>
>>>>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'water', 'sugar', 'cream');
>>
>> And
>>
>>>> BEGIN;
>>>> CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
>>>> COMMIT;
>
> You mean:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
>     COMMIT;
>
> ?
>
> I don't think "water" makes sense unless you are making instant coffee,
> which I think is atypical.

Ummm ... last I checked, that query will fail with too many fields? :)

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Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> But we need to linebreak the third line, else it will go around
> the mug (and i want the logo on the other side). So this results
> in 5 lines SQL-code, that's ok.
>
>
> What about the "SELECT PostgreSQL();" idea mentioned upthread?

That seems fine too.  I think the question is whether we want something
relating to the mug contents, i.e. cute, or something more clearly
referencing PostgreSQL.

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > You mean:
> >
> >     BEGIN;
> >     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> >     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
> >     COMMIT;
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I don't think "water" makes sense unless you are making instant coffee,
> > which I think is atypical.
>
> Ummm ... last I checked, that query will fail with too many fields? :)

Yep, only I could inject a bug into a mug.  :-(

The correct query is:

    BEGIN;
    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
    INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
    COMMIT;

That highlights our multi-value INSERT too.  :-)  With proper wrap it
would be:

    BEGIN;
    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
    INSERT INTO pg_mug
      VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
    COMMIT;

You can even add stirring:

    BEGIN;
    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
    INSERT INTO pg_mug
      VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
    -- stir
    SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
    COMMIT;

FYi, I am just shooting out ideas until someone tells me to stop.  ;-)

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that last one is perfect

Sent from my iPhone

On 2009-11-28, at 18:57, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>> You mean:
>>>
>>>    BEGIN;
>>>    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>>>    INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
>>>    COMMIT;
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I don't think "water" makes sense unless you are making instant
>>> coffee,
>>> which I think is atypical.
>>
>> Ummm ... last I checked, that query will fail with too many
>> fields? :)
>
> Yep, only I could inject a bug into a mug.  :-(
>
> The correct query is:
>
>    BEGIN;
>    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>    INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>    COMMIT;
>
> That highlights our multi-value INSERT too.  :-)  With proper wrap it
> would be:
>
>    BEGIN;
>    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>    INSERT INTO pg_mug
>      VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>    COMMIT;
>
> You can even add stirring:
>
>    BEGIN;
>    CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>    INSERT INTO pg_mug
>      VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>    -- stir
>    SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
>    COMMIT;
>
> FYi, I am just shooting out ideas until someone tells me to stop.  ;-)
>
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On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
>> What about the "SELECT PostgreSQL();" idea mentioned upthread?
>
> That seems fine too.  I think the question is whether we want
> something
> relating to the mug contents, i.e. cute, or something more clearly
> referencing PostgreSQL.

What I particularly liked about:

    SELECT PostgreSQL();
    COMMIT;

... (even if I do say so myself) is that it is advocacy, and is PG-
specific.

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Whatever kind of coffee you make, you still need some water.

e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything pretending to
be cream).

Even when I make a cappucino I need water to make steam.

I think that we have to expect American culture in the message even though
it is supposed to be targeted at an international market unless you opt for
a more generic message.

Anyway, I think the idea of tying the function of the coffee mug to
PostgreSQL concepts has a lot of merit.

On 29/11/09 8:39 AM, "Bruce Momjian" <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

> Rob Napier wrote:
>> I suggest that you combine the two ideas:
>>
>>>>> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'water', 'sugar', 'cream');
>>
>> And
>>
>>>> BEGIN;
>>>> CREATE TABLE postgresql (mug_id SERIAL);
>>>> COMMIT;
>
> You mean:
>
> BEGIN;
> CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');
> COMMIT;
>
> ?
>
> I don't think "water" makes sense unless you are making instant coffee,
> which I think is atypical.

Regards

Rob Napier

Rob Napier wrote:
> Whatever kind of coffee you make, you still need some water.

Yes, but you combine the water and the coffee outside the mug.  ;-)
Unless we are talking about cheap instant coffee, and we all agree
Postgres should not be associated with cheap, poor-tasting coffee;
there are other databases for that.  ;-)

> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
> pretending to be cream).

Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA?  As a tea
drinker, I am confused.  ;-)

> Even when I make a cappucino I need water to make steam.

Do you do that in the mug?

> I think that we have to expect American culture in the message
> even though it is supposed to be targeted at an international
> market unless you opt for a more generic message.

I didn't realize the cream/milk issue.  Is there something else we can
include?

> Anyway, I think the idea of tying the function of the coffee
> mug to PostgreSQL concepts has a lot of merit.

Cool.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Rob Napier wrote:
>> Whatever kind of coffee you make, you still need some water.
>
> Yes, but you combine the water and the coffee outside the mug.  ;-)
> Unless we are talking about cheap instant coffee, and we all agree
> Postgres should not be associated with cheap, poor-tasting coffee;
> there are other databases for that.  ;-)
>
>> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
>> pretending to be cream).
>
> Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA?  As a tea
> drinker, I am confused.  ;-)
>
>> Even when I make a cappucino I need water to make steam.
>
> Do you do that in the mug?

Use the steam, yes .. make the steam, no ...

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Christophe Pettus wrote:
>
> On Nov 28, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> >> What about the "SELECT PostgreSQL();" idea mentioned upthread?
> >
> > That seems fine too.  I think the question is whether we want
> > something
> > relating to the mug contents, i.e. cute, or something more clearly
> > referencing PostgreSQL.
>
> What I particularly liked about:
>
>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>     COMMIT;
>
> ... (even if I do say so myself) is that it is advocacy, and is PG-
> specific.

The other side of the mug will have the Postgres elephant and the
PostgreSQL name so I think we can be more subtle on the SQL query side
of the mug.

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bruce wrote:
> You can even add stirring:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug
>       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>     -- stir
>     SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
>     COMMIT;

We can also have different ways of specifying the transaction:

    BEGIN/COMMIT
    BEGIN WORK/COMMIT WORK
    START TRANSACTION/COMMIT
    START TRANSACTION/COMMIT WORK

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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:

>> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
>> pretending to be cream).
>
> Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA?  As a tea
> drinker, I am confused.  ;-)

They put cream in tea inside the USA? Weird.

Anyway, don't forget this was (originally) a discussion about new mugs
for PostgreSQL Europe, where cafe au lait is definitely more common.

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:

> That highlights our multi-value INSERT too.  :-)  With proper wrap it
> would be:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug
>       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>     COMMIT;
>
> You can even add stirring:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug
>       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
>     -- stir
>     SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
>     COMMIT;

The mug is colored anyway, right now blue and black. Can/should we add
some syntax highlighting?


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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:

> FYi, I am just shooting out ideas until someone tells me to stop.  ;-)

Keep going, we will sort it out ;-)

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Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:38 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > That highlights our multi-value INSERT too.  :-)  With proper wrap it
> > would be:
> >
> >     BEGIN;
> >     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> >     INSERT INTO pg_mug
> >       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> >     COMMIT;
> >
> > You can even add stirring:
> >
> >     BEGIN;
> >     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
> >     INSERT INTO pg_mug
> >       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');
> >     -- stir
> >     SELECT * FROM pg_mug ORDER BY random();
> >     COMMIT;
>
> The mug is colored anyway, right now blue and black. Can/should we add
> some syntax highlighting?

Great idea --- colorful is good.

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Dave Page wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>
> >> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
> >> pretending to be cream).
> >
> > Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? ?As a tea
> > drinker, I am confused. ?;-)
>
> They put cream in tea inside the USA? Weird.

No, we don't usually put any dairy products in our tea.

> Anyway, don't forget this was (originally) a discussion about new mugs
> for PostgreSQL Europe, where cafe au lait is definitely more common.

True, but could I get a special tea mug?  ;-)

        INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('hot water', 'tea', 'sugar');


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* Bruce Momjian:

>     CREATE TABLE pg_mug (contents TEXT);
>     INSERT INTO pg_mug
>       VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');

Shouldn't that be "ingredient" instead of "contents"?

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scrappy@hub.org ("Marc G. Fournier") writes:
>>     INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('coffee', 'sugar', 'cream');

I would prefer a more relational representation:
  INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents) VALUES('coffee'), ('sugar'), ('cream');

Alternatively, we could make it generic:
  INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents)
    SELECT contents FROM recipes
      WHERE user_name = current_user();

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Ciao,

For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure
that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the simplest and most effective
of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on
the mug.

INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');

Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
component of the message.

I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
only coffee INTO the mug. :)

Thanks,
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On 30/11/2009 21:54, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:

> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
> component of the message.

+1

> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
> only coffee INTO the mug. :)

+1 for that also - I like my coffee intravenously! :-)

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:54:39PM +0100, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
> Ciao,
>
> For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure
> that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the simplest and most effective
> of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on
> the mug.
>
> INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>
> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
> component of the message.
>
> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
> only coffee INTO the mug. :)

All this stuff is way too clever.

    BEGIN;
    SELECT PostgreSQL;
    COMMIT;

gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
audience :)

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Ciao David,
> All this stuff is way too clever.
>
>     BEGIN;
>     SELECT PostgreSQL;
>     COMMIT;
>
I like this too. Especially for the community it is a nice message to be
driven (think of the 'commit' verb). I would choose it for t-shirts or
other stuff (stickers, flyers, posters, ...). I just found the INSERT
coffee + sugar thing brilliant and nice for a mug.
> gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> audience :)
>
I agree.

Thanks,
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On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:

> Ciao,
>
> For some reason I can't explain, the more I read and the more I am sure that Damien's original idea (Nov 16) is the
simplestand most effective of all, considering also that we cannot write a lot of information on the mug. 
>
> INSERT INTO me VALUES('coffee','sugar');
>
> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active component of the message.
>
> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream, water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand
upand represent my country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any additional ingredients in
it,and drink it plain. So we should INSERT only coffee INTO the mug. :) 
>
> Thanks,
> Gabriele
>
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I also prefer the simple approach.  Like Df and others I like the begin; select PostgreSQL; COMMIT;
better. It is more assertive, and just cute enough, i.e. not too cute.

elein
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David Fetter wrote:
>     BEGIN;
>     SELECT PostgreSQL;
>     COMMIT;
>
ERROR:  column "postgresql" does not exist

You might as well quote it so the mug is working code.  Other than that
bit of nitpicking, I like this simple message a lot better than the more
complicated ones that have been flying by here.

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On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
> You might as well quote it so the mug is working code.

Personally, I like making it a function, so that it is a nod to our
extensibility, too:

    BEGIN;
    SELECT PostgreSQL();
    COMMIT;

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

>    BEGIN;
>    SELECT PostgreSQL;
>    COMMIT;

> gets the point across without demanding interpretation
> from the audience :)

It also "fails to compile" :)

ERROR:  column "postgresql" does not exist

How about:

BEGIN;
SELECT 'Postgres';
COMMIT;

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iEYEAREDAAYFAksVQX4ACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgCywCgl8JumdMg9uezRU7S7xU7WbhB
V7gAoJnyKI63HJoXIl+/MuMZIwxb16qZ
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Greg Sabino Mullane <greg@turnstep.com> wrote:

>>    BEGIN;
>>    SELECT PostgreSQL;
>>    COMMIT;

> It also "fails to compile" :)
> ERROR:  column "postgresql" does not exist
>
> How about:
>
> BEGIN;
> SELECT 'Postgres';
> COMMIT;

I guess this brings up the question: is PostgreSQL better known for
being technically correct or better known for being esthetically
pleasing?


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rod@iol.ie ("Raymond O'Donnell") writes:
> On 30/11/2009 21:54, Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
>
>> Simple, direct, effective. Also, the "me" part makes the mug an active
>> component of the message.
>
> +1
>
>> I have also read people arguing about cultures that add sugar, cream,
>> water, etc. to their coffee. I must then stand up and represent my
>> country and say that in Italy, coffee lovers and purists, do not put any
>> additional ingredients in it, and drink it plain. So we should INSERT
>> only coffee INTO the mug. :)
>
> +1 for that also - I like my coffee intravenously! :-)

I'll give "+1" to that, too...

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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:26:32 -0800 Christophe Pettus wrote:

>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Greg Smith wrote:
> > You might as well quote it so the mug is working code.
>
> Personally, I like making it a function, so that it is a nod to our
> extensibility, too:
>
>     BEGIN;
>     SELECT PostgreSQL();
>     COMMIT;

Yes, this idea is way better than the column.

+1



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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
>
> All this stuff is way too clever.
>
>    BEGIN;
>    SELECT PostgreSQL;
>    COMMIT;
>
> gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> audience :)

+1

I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.


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On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> >
> > All this stuff is way too clever.
> >
> >    BEGIN;
> >    SELECT PostgreSQL;
> >    COMMIT;
> >
> > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > audience :)
>
> +1
>
> I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.

Well you could do:

START TRANSACTION:
   SELECT PostgreSQL();
END TRANSACTION;




>
>
> --
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>


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On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 05:31:00PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > All this stuff is way too clever.
> > >
> > >    BEGIN;
> > >    SELECT PostgreSQL;
> > >    COMMIT;
> > >
> > > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > > audience :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> > to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> > though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> > autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.
>
> Well you could do:
>
> START TRANSACTION:
>    SELECT PostgreSQL();
> END TRANSACTION;

ETOOMUCHINTERPRETATION

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > All this stuff is way too clever.
> > >
> > >    BEGIN;
> > >    SELECT PostgreSQL;
> > >    COMMIT;
> > >
> > > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > > audience :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> > to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> > though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> > autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.
>
> Well you could do:
>
> START TRANSACTION:
>    SELECT PostgreSQL();
> END TRANSACTION;

It could be:

    START TRANSACTION:
      SELECT PostgreSQL();
    COMMIT;

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> It could be:
>
>        START TRANSACTION:

I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
reads as an english sentence telling people they should use Postgres.
START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have to ease
migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as an
postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning unless it's
saying that people should buy a license or support contract.

An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out of
place to me.

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Greg Stark wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> It could be:
>>
>>        START TRANSACTION:
>
> I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
> something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
> reads as an english sentence telling people they should use Postgres.
> START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have to ease
> migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as an
> postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning unless it's
> saying that people should buy a license or support contract.
>
> An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out of
> place to me.


Doesn't work always begin with a coffee?

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On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 01:29 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10 PM, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> >
> > All this stuff is way too clever.
> >
> >    BEGIN;
> >    SELECT PostgreSQL;
> >    COMMIT;
> >
> > gets the point across without demanding interpretation from the
> > audience :)
>
> +1
>
> I like this punny one where both "SELECT" and "COMMIT" are being used
> to imply double-meanings. Personally I wouldn't put the BEGIN there
> though, it's distracting, isn't punny, and everyone should run with
> autocommit off where you wouldn't need it anyways.

Well you could do:

START TRANSACTION:
   SELECT PostgreSQL();
END TRANSACTION;




>
>
> --
> greg
>


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On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:21:27AM +0100, Tommy Gildseth wrote:
> Greg Stark wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> It could be:
>>>
>>>        START TRANSACTION:
>>
>> I don't feel these make it better. The point of the pun is to have
>> something which looks natural and not out of place but which also
>> reads as an english sentence telling people they should use
>> Postgres.  START TRANSACTION is imho a compatibility syntax we have
>> to ease migration from other systems and neither reads naturally as
>> an postgresish sql command, nor does it have a double-meaning
>> unless it's saying that people should buy a license or support
>> contract.
>>
>> An argument could be made for BEGIN WORK -- but even that seems out
>> of place to me.
>
> Doesn't work always begin with a coffee?

Not everywhere.  Utah, for one example.  China for another.

What people put in the mug is less on point than what's on it :)

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Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Dave Page wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> e.g. Outside the USA, very few people use cream (or anything
>>>> pretending to be cream).
>>>>
>>> Uh, how come they put milk in tea only outside the USA? ?As a tea
>>> drinker, I am confused. ?;-)
>>>
>> They put cream in tea inside the USA? Weird.
>>
>
> No, we don't usually put any dairy products in our tea.
>
>
>> Anyway, don't forget this was (originally) a discussion about new mugs
>> for PostgreSQL Europe, where cafe au lait is definitely more common.
>>
>
> True, but could I get a special tea mug?  ;-)
>
>         INSERT INTO pg_mug VALUES('hot water', 'tea', 'sugar');
>
Perhaps there should be a drink table with a one-to-many relationship to
an ingredients table...since then one could choose their own ingredients
and drink type (and you could add the assorted flavored syrups and
instant coffees in as well).

Maybe a little chalk area on one side where one could write their own
query to populate the drink table, and a referential integrity
constraint to prevent unauthorized ingredients... ;-)

A NOTIFY on insert trigger might be good as well, so one could drink as
soon as the beverage-making transaction was completed, or notify when
hot (though that would preclude ice in the ingredients)

PS..I'm mostly kidding here...

chander
>
>


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All,

Any reason why the idea of coverring the mug with a list of psql
shortcuts got shot down?

The vi mug has been very successful for thinkgeek.com ...

--Josh Berkus

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:05:05 -0800 Josh Berkus wrote:

> Any reason why the idea of coverring the mug with a list of psql
> shortcuts got shot down?

Why psql? Why not the SQL syntax? Why not PG-secific functions? The
latter one would be way more useful for anyone not using psql at all.

You see: there's a broad field which should be coveres, psql is just a
part of it and a small one.


> The vi mug has been very successful for thinkgeek.com ...

It's just an editor.

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I'm happy to prepare the artwork for the new mug and was hoping to get it
done before I move interstate in seven days time to avoid a last-minute
rush. Can we get a decision on the text? Can someone summarize the options
so we can get to a conclusion?

Also, do we have a sample of the mug and artwork details from the
manufacturer. They usually provide details of the working area. e.g. How
close can we print to the handle and to the top and bottom of the mug?

Sorry Josh but I don't think a list of statements is appealing. As the man
said: vi is just an editor. When Tom Cruise stands on a PostgreSQL reference
guide, even HE looks tall!

On 5/12/09 7:17 AM, "Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:05:05 -0800 Josh Berkus wrote:
>
>> Any reason why the idea of coverring the mug with a list of psql
>> shortcuts got shot down?
>
> Why psql? Why not the SQL syntax? Why not PG-secific functions? The
> latter one would be way more useful for anyone not using psql at all.
>
> You see: there's a broad field which should be coveres, psql is just a
> part of it and a small one.
>
>
>> The vi mug has been very successful for thinkgeek.com ...
>
> It's just an editor.

Regards

Rob Napier

Thom Brown wrote:

>> The vi mug has been very successful for thinkgeek.com ...
>>
> I personally couldn't find it useful.  Whenever I would need to know the
> shortcuts, I'd just type \?.  I don't think vi has such a help system.

Try :help

--

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pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:01:45 +0000 Thom Brown wrote:

> 2009/11/18 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
>
> > 3) It is possible to engrave mugs. The logo/text would not be printed
> > on the mug but instead the mug will have a relief with the logo/text in
> > it. Someone interested in this? I will get an offer.
>
> I like the sound of this one.

Here are some pictures:

http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-BBV-farbige-Gravur-klein.jpg
http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-Hydroglasur-Cyan-Gravur.jpg
http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-WM-Cyan-klein.jpg



> > 5) Thermos mugs with imprint.  I will get an offer.
>
> I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.

http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-delux.jpg
http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-hotcup.jpg


Bye

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                Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

Hi,

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:26:28 +0100 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:01:45 +0000 Thom Brown wrote:
>
> > 2009/11/18 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
> >
> > > 3) It is possible to engrave mugs. The logo/text would not be printed
> > > on the mug but instead the mug will have a relief with the logo/text in
> > > it. Someone interested in this? I will get an offer.
> >
> > I like the sound of this one.
>
> Here are some pictures:
>
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-BBV-farbige-Gravur-klein.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-Hydroglasur-Cyan-Gravur.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-WM-Cyan-klein.jpg
>
>
>
> > > 5) Thermos mugs with imprint.  I will get an offer.
> >
> > I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.
>
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-delux.jpg
> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-hotcup.jpg

Ok, nobody? Then i think, we stick with normal mugs, nothing special.


Bye

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                Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:27, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
<adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 01:26:28 +0100 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:01:45 +0000 Thom Brown wrote:
>>
>> > 2009/11/18 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <adsmail@wars-nicht.de>:
>> >
>> > > 3) It is possible to engrave mugs. The logo/text would not be printed
>> > > on the mug but instead the mug will have a relief with the logo/text in
>> > > it. Someone interested in this? I will get an offer.
>> >
>> > I like the sound of this one.
>>
>> Here are some pictures:
>>
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-BBV-farbige-Gravur-klein.jpg
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-Hydroglasur-Cyan-Gravur.jpg
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/151-WM-Cyan-klein.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> > > 5) Thermos mugs with imprint.  I will get an offer.
>> >
>> > I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.
>>
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-delux.jpg
>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-hotcup.jpg
>
> Ok, nobody? Then i think, we stick with normal mugs, nothing special.

Is there a lower limit on how many we need to get? Is there a limit
where they become cheaper?

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 Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:27, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
>>> > I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.
>>>
>>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-delux.jpg
>>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-hotcup.jpg
>>
>> Ok, nobody? Then i think, we stick with normal mugs, nothing special.
>
> Is there a lower limit on how many we need to get? Is there a limit
> where they become cheaper?

Sorry - didn't realise it was a question. Yes, I like the thermos
mugs, and would probably buy one, maybe a couple at the right price.



--
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Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009 à 12:46:42, Dave Page a écrit :
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:27, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
> >
> >>> > I've never liked Thermos mugs, but I might be alone on this one.
> >>>
> >>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-delux.jpg
> >>> http://base.wars-nicht.de/merchandising/new/thermobecher-hotcup.jpg
> >>
> >> Ok, nobody? Then i think, we stick with normal mugs, nothing special.
> >
> > Is there a lower limit on how many we need to get? Is there a limit
> > where they become cheaper?
>
> Sorry - didn't realise it was a question. Yes, I like the thermos
> mugs, and would probably buy one, maybe a couple at the right price.
>

And I forgot the question. Sorry. I like the thermos mugs. I already have one,
but would buy another one, if it is PostgreSQL labeled :)


--
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 http://www.postgresqlfr.org
 http://dalibo.com

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote:
>
> Alternatively, we could make it generic:
>  INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents)
>    SELECT contents FROM recipes
>      WHERE user_name = current_user();
>

actually i think this was the better idea... but maybe i shouldn't
talk to purchase one of those and make it come to southamerica must be
very expensive

--
Atentamente,
Jaime Casanova
Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL
Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas
Guayaquil - Ecuador
Cel. +59387171157

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:37 -0500 Jaime Casanova wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > Alternatively, we could make it generic:
> >  INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents)
> >    SELECT contents FROM recipes
> >      WHERE user_name = current_user();
> >
>
> actually i think this was the better idea... but maybe i shouldn't
> talk to purchase one of those and make it come to southamerica must be
> very expensive

Maybe not, if you order a box with 36 mugs ... ;-)


Bye

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                Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:37 -0500 Jaime Casanova wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alternatively, we could make it generic:
> > >  INSERT INTO pg_mug (contents)
> > >    SELECT contents FROM recipes
> > >      WHERE user_name = current_user();
> > >
> >
> > actually i think this was the better idea... but maybe i shouldn't
> > talk to purchase one of those and make it come to southamerica must be
> > very expensive
>
> Maybe not, if you order a box with 36 mugs ... ;-)

Getting a box of that size down here is going to be horrendously
expensive.  I think it would be far better to produce them locally.

--
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Alvaro Herrera
<alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > actually i think this was the better idea... but maybe i shouldn't
>> > talk to purchase one of those and make it come to southamerica must be
>> > very expensive
>>
>> Maybe not, if you order a box with 36 mugs ... ;-)
>
> Getting a box of that size down here is going to be horrendously
> expensive.  I think it would be far better to produce them locally.
>

yeah! i had that idea too, but i prefer if we have a single design no
matter where we make it... at least, that way i don't have to reinvent
the wheel with something that's clearly beyond my abilities... :)

--
Atentamente,
Jaime Casanova
Soporte y capacitación de PostgreSQL
Asesoría y desarrollo de sistemas
Guayaquil - Ecuador
Cel. +59387171157

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:23:25 -0500 Jaime Casanova wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Alvaro Herrera
> <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > actually i think this was the better idea... but maybe i shouldn't
> >> > talk to purchase one of those and make it come to southamerica must be
> >> > very expensive
> >>
> >> Maybe not, if you order a box with 36 mugs ... ;-)
> >
> > Getting a box of that size down here is going to be horrendously
> > expensive.  I think it would be far better to produce them locally.
> >
>
> yeah! i had that idea too, but i prefer if we have a single design no
> matter where we make it... at least, that way i don't have to reinvent
> the wheel with something that's clearly beyond my abilities... :)

I don't think, we need (and we want) a unique design world-wide.
Just imagine Japan: they have a turtle instead of an elephant.
Other countries will maybe prefer another text.

And we don't need to ship boxes with mugs around the world:
mugs in germany are expensive and shipping is expensive too.



Bye

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                Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project