Thread: shameless behavior of EDB ...
folks, i just wanted to inform everybody who is involved in the PostgreSQL project and who is doing advocacy or other professionalwork in this area that EDB is shamelessly copying reference lists from our website: http://www.enterprisedb.com/customer-success/where-its-hot-and-where-its-not?elq=f0dc4e2aae564641b1bb30d33ff42325 if you zoom into vienna you will see the following: according to my information denimbox went bust before EDB came into existence. i talked to the CTO of emarsys this morning (close friend of mine) and he swore that they are using no EDB in their houses. the same applies to basically everybody on our reference list. they even copied a typo i made accidentally. what is especially funny: "ehrlich rogner-schlögel" used to be my lawyer for many years (i made the network there - not evenpostgres). given those facts i ask you to check your lists to see if something similar happened. and; make your own judgement if things like that are good or bad for the project. best regards, hans -- Cybertec Schönig & Schönig GmbH Gröhrmühlgasse 26 A-2700 Wiener Neustadt, Austria Web: http://www.postgresql-support.de
2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>: > folks, > > i just wanted to inform everybody who is involved in the PostgreSQL project and who is doing advocacy or other professionalwork in this area that EDB is shamelessly copying reference lists from our website: > > http://www.enterprisedb.com/customer-success/where-its-hot-and-where-its-not?elq=f0dc4e2aae564641b1bb30d33ff42325 Hans, It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together and the web guys. You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been fixed. Thanks for brining this to our attention. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
on behalf of all our customers (= present, former, future): i ask you to remove all entries which have been
"accidentallyborrowed" from your website.
you say it is conspiracy - it say it is on purpose. to be honest, i don't care what it is ...
so, once and for all: tell your guys to remove it ...
hans
On May 12, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Dave Page wrote:
> 2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>:
>> folks,
>>
>> i just wanted to inform everybody who is involved in the PostgreSQL project and who is doing advocacy or other
professionalwork in this area that EDB is shamelessly copying reference lists from our website:
>>
>> http://www.enterprisedb.com/customer-success/where-its-hot-and-where-its-not?elq=f0dc4e2aae564641b1bb30d33ff42325
>
> Hans,
>
> It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just
> a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together
> and the web guys.
>
> You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The
> green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are
> known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed
> just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been
> fixed.
>
> Thanks for brining this to our attention.
>
> --
> Dave Page
> Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @pgsnake
>
> EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
> The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
>
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2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>: > on behalf of all our customers (= present, former, future): i ask you to remove all entries which have been "accidentallyborrowed" from your website. > you say it is conspiracy - it say it is on purpose. to be honest, i don't care what it is ... > so, once and for all: tell your guys to remove it ... The names were compiled from publicly available information. If any organisation shown on the map wishes to have their name removed, we will of course do so if they request it. An email to the webmaster should suffice. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > 2011/5/12 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>: > >> It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just >> a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together >> and the web guys. >> >> You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The >> green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are >> known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed >> just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been >> fixed. >> >> Thanks for brining this to our attention. > > > So you've copied a customer list from another company's web site, > placed that data on your own and then accidentally misrepresented what > that means. I do not know that that is the case at all - I don't know where the data came from. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On May 12, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Dave Page wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>> 2011/5/12 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>:
>>
>>> It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just
>>> a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together
>>> and the web guys.
>>>
>>> You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The
>>> green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are
>>> known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed
>>> just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been
>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> Thanks for brining this to our attention.
>>
>>
>> So you've copied a customer list from another company's web site,
>> placed that data on your own and then accidentally misrepresented what
>> that means.
>
> I do not know that that is the case at all - I don't know where the
> data came from.
>
i am not blaming you personally - don't get me wrong.
i can tell you where it comes from: www.postgresql-support.de ... including typo from my side, including companies
whichdon't even exist anymore ....
@simon: in short, "yes" ...
hans
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On May 12, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Dave Page wrote:
> 2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>:
>> on behalf of all our customers (= present, former, future): i ask you to remove all entries which have been
"accidentallyborrowed" from your website.
>> you say it is conspiracy - it say it is on purpose. to be honest, i don't care what it is ...
>> so, once and for all: tell your guys to remove it ...
>
> The names were compiled from publicly available information. If any
> organisation shown on the map wishes to have their name removed, we
> will of course do so if they request it. An email to the webmaster
> should suffice.
>
>
you want me to contact people so that they can "ask for being removed"?
do you really want me to comment on that? for the sake of the intellectual level on this list i'd better not do that
...
many thanks,
hans
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2011/5/12 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>: > It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just > a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together > and the web guys. > > You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The > green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are > known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed > just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been > fixed. > > Thanks for brining this to our attention. So you've copied a customer list from another company's web site, placed that data on your own and then accidentally misrepresented what that means. There can't have been anything accidental about copying data from someone else's website could there? It would seem you don't have copyright to all the data on that map? It's good that you've added a key to the website, but it still doesn't read correctly. To be perfectly fair, it should say "PostgreSQL users supported by EDB and other companies." and probably also mention where you got the data from, and how. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services
2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>: > On May 12, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Dave Page wrote: > >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: >>> 2011/5/12 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>: >>> >>>> It's a nice conspiracy theory I'll grant you, but really this is just >>>> a simple miscommunication between the folks that put the map together >>>> and the web guys. >>>> >>>> You'll have seen that there were 2 colours of dots on the map. The >>>> green ones are a selection of our customers, and the orange ones are >>>> known PostgreSQL users. The web guys mistakenly thought the map showed >>>> just our customers and wrote the page accordingly. This has now been >>>> fixed. >>>> >>>> Thanks for brining this to our attention. >>> >>> >>> So you've copied a customer list from another company's web site, >>> placed that data on your own and then accidentally misrepresented what >>> that means. >> >> I do not know that that is the case at all - I don't know where the >> data came from. >> > > > i am not blaming you personally - don't get me wrong. > i can tell you where it comes from: www.postgresql-support.de ... including typo from my side, including companies whichdon't even exist anymore .... > > @simon: in short, "yes" ... > > hans I won't comment on how the data was culled, but as a suggestion, on this page (http://www.enterprisedb.com/pgsqlusermap) where you have a youtube or other marketing material onclick, such as: ["Blue Tie", 43.0630250, -77.6420550, 1, function(event) { window.open("http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUu9YpC3go"); }], then leave it in place, as they are obviously clients and exerted effort creating a marketing vid/marketing material. They may even be paying for that link, for all I know. for others, just load: ["", whatever, whatever, 0, null], -- so remove name & onclick. Picking the orange/green png escapes me at the moment, but if there is no material, then orange. I think the vast majority of users could care less whether there is an orange dot over their lat/long, especially since acquiring their name would take effort. -- Mike Ellsworth
Big Russia is empty ! On Thu, 12 May 2011, PostgreSQL - Hans-J?rgen Sch?nig wrote: > folks, > > i just wanted to inform everybody who is involved in the PostgreSQL project and who is doing advocacy or other professionalwork in this area that EDB is shamelessly copying reference lists from our website: > > http://www.enterprisedb.com/customer-success/where-its-hot-and-where-its-not?elq=f0dc4e2aae564641b1bb30d33ff42325 > > if you zoom into vienna you will see the following: > according to my information denimbox went bust before EDB came into existence. > i talked to the CTO of emarsys this morning (close friend of mine) and he swore that they are using no EDB in theirhouses. > > the same applies to basically everybody on our reference list. > they even copied a typo i made accidentally. > > what is especially funny: "ehrlich rogner-schl?gel" used to be my lawyer for many years (i made the network there - noteven postgres). > > given those facts i ask you to check your lists to see if something similar happened. > and; make your own judgement if things like that are good or bad for the project. > > best regards, > > hans > > > -- > Cybertec Sch?nig & Sch?nig GmbH > Gr?hrm?hlgasse 26 > A-2700 Wiener Neustadt, Austria > Web: http://www.postgresql-support.de > > > Regards, Oleg _____________________________________________________________ Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru), Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83
Oleg Bartunov wrote: > Big Russia is empty ! Yes, we need to work on that. I bet there are many Russian users but EnterpriseDB doesn't know about them. Africa and the Middle East are also very sparse --- Selena and I have talked about how to improve that. Brazil also looks unusually empty. My map doesn't zoom. Was that feature removed? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 12 May 2011, PostgreSQL - Hans-J?rgen Sch?nig wrote: > > > folks, > > > > i just wanted to inform everybody who is involved in the PostgreSQL project and who is doing advocacy or other professionalwork in this area that EDB is shamelessly copying reference lists from our website: > > > > http://www.enterprisedb.com/customer-success/where-its-hot-and-where-its-not?elq=f0dc4e2aae564641b1bb30d33ff42325 > > > > if you zoom into vienna you will see the following: > > according to my information denimbox went bust before EDB came into existence. > > i talked to the CTO of emarsys this morning (close friend of mine) and he swore that they are using no EDB in theirhouses. > > > > the same applies to basically everybody on our reference list. > > they even copied a typo i made accidentally. > > > > what is especially funny: "ehrlich rogner-schl?gel" used to be my lawyer for many years (i made the network there - noteven postgres). > > > > given those facts i ask you to check your lists to see if something similar happened. > > and; make your own judgement if things like that are good or bad for the project. > > > > best regards, > > > > hans > > > > > > -- > > Cybertec Sch?nig & Sch?nig GmbH > > Gr?hrm?hlgasse 26 > > A-2700 Wiener Neustadt, Austria > > Web: http://www.postgresql-support.de > > > > > > > > Regards, > Oleg > _____________________________________________________________ > Oleg Bartunov, Research Scientist, Head of AstroNet (www.astronet.ru), > Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University, Russia > Internet: oleg@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/ > phone: +007(495)939-16-83, +007(495)939-23-83 -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Oleg Bartunov wrote: >> Big Russia is empty ! > > Yes, we need to work on that. I bet there are many Russian users but > EnterpriseDB doesn't know about them. Africa and the Middle East are > also very sparse --- Selena and I have talked about how to improve that. > Brazil also looks unusually empty. > > My map doesn't zoom. Was that feature removed? Yes - it's been temporarily replaced with an image while a version less offensive to Hans is put together (probably along the lines of Mike's suggestion). Personally (speaking as myself and not an EDB employee) I think it's a good thing to highlight how much Postgres is being used - I think that can benefit the whole community. However, it's not worth arguments here over the details though - they have exactly the opposite effect on the community, hence why we're making some changes. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On May 12, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Dave Page wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>> Oleg Bartunov wrote:
>>> Big Russia is empty !
>>
>> Yes, we need to work on that. I bet there are many Russian users but
>> EnterpriseDB doesn't know about them. Africa and the Middle East are
>> also very sparse --- Selena and I have talked about how to improve that.
>> Brazil also looks unusually empty.
>>
>> My map doesn't zoom. Was that feature removed?
>
> Yes - it's been temporarily replaced with an image while a version
> less offensive to Hans is put together (probably along the lines of
> Mike's suggestion).
>
> Personally (speaking as myself and not an EDB employee) I think it's a
> good thing to highlight how much Postgres is being used - I think that
> can benefit the whole community.
>
> However, it's not worth arguments here over the details though - they
> have exactly the opposite effect on the community, hence why we're
> making some changes.
absolutely ... - spreading the news is fine.
the point is: copying my content without asking the people who are actually listed and creating the impression that
theyare EDB people - this is more than a no go ...
anonymous links are fine ... nobody would have complained about that but putting full names on there without asking
anybody?this is definitely a no go and strictly speaking illegal to local law.
so, if you can kindly remove all names which have been taken from our sites i am fine ... - but: on behalf of my
clientsthis is a hard requirement.
many thanks,
hans
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >> Oleg Bartunov wrote: >>> Big Russia is empty ! >> >> Yes, we need to work on that. I bet there are many Russian users but >> EnterpriseDB doesn't know about them. Africa and the Middle East are >> also very sparse --- Selena and I have talked about how to improve that. >> Brazil also looks unusually empty. >> >> My map doesn't zoom. Was that feature removed? > > Yes - it's been temporarily replaced with an image while a version > less offensive to Hans is put together (probably along the lines of > Mike's suggestion). > > Personally (speaking as myself and not an EDB employee) I think it's a > good thing to highlight how much Postgres is being used - I think that > can benefit the whole community. > If the map is going to be anonymous by default (which I think is what Mike was suggesting) I'll gladly ask my clients and the members of the local PUG for their locations. I agree that it's a great advocacy tool (now that the colours are right) irrespective of whose name is on it. Postgres is used by the freight rail system here in South Africa as well as the largest medical practice management systems vendor for their larger sites. The southern bit of Africa should certainly not be that dark. Alastair "Bell" Turner Technical Lead ^F5
2011/5/12 PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres@cybertec.at>: > > absolutely ... - spreading the news is fine. > the point is: copying my content without asking the people who are actually listed and creating the impression that theyare EDB people - this is more than a no go ... > anonymous links are fine ... nobody would have complained about that but putting full names on there without asking anybody?this is definitely a no go and strictly speaking illegal to local law. Don't forget that the EnterpriseDB website is under the jurisdiction of US law - and as I understand it, reproducing this sort of non-copyrightable info, compiled from publicly accessible sources is perfectly acceptable there. However, as I said - regardless of whether it is right or wrong, we have removed it because we see no reason or benefit in upsetting people and causing unnecessary arguments here. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Dave Page wrote: > Personally (speaking as myself and not an EDB employee) I think it's a > good thing to highlight how much Postgres is being used - I think that > can benefit the whole community. I think its a good thing too, but something that should have been done by the community itself ... we *used* to have a map on the community web site that highlighted lcoations of the develoeprs around the world ... shouldn't have been hard to take that and extend it to an opt-in list of actual users too ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org
12.05.2011 16:04, Dave Page yazmış: > However, as I said - regardless of whether it is right or wrong, we > have removed it because we see no reason or benefit in upsetting > people and causing unnecessary arguments here. You didn't remove it, you did it unzoomable; the same map and same content are on your website, why you are full of lie and fraud? EnterpriseDB should study on business ethic which it lacks, what does stealing a customer list from another company mean?, think about this if you can think. As Hans said it is a shame but you dont seem to be ashamed, the problem is this.
On May 12, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Dave Page wrote:
>
>> Personally (speaking as myself and not an EDB employee) I think it's a good thing to highlight how much Postgres is
beingused - I think that can benefit the whole community.
>
> I think its a good thing too, but something that should have been done by the community itself ... we *used* to have
amap on the community web site that highlighted lcoations of the develoeprs around the world ... shouldn't have been
hardto take that and extend it to an opt-in list of actual users too ...
>
+1 ... if it is for the community nobody would have a problem.
in addition to that: the community tends to ask ...
what i hate is the idea of having my folks show up on any non-community list without being asked.
this has nothing to do with business (we serve different kinds of people anyway) - it is a matter of style.
hans
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Murat Karadeniz <murat.karadeniz@emo.org.tr> wrote: > 12.05.2011 16:04, Dave Page yazmış: >> >> However, as I said - regardless of whether it is right or wrong, we >> have removed it because we see no reason or benefit in upsetting >> people and causing unnecessary arguments here. > > You didn't remove it, you did it unzoomable; the same map and same content > are on your website, It's unzoomable, you cannot click on the blobs to visit the users websites any more, and the names no longer popup. Are you saying we're not allowed to show a map of the world with a few hundred fuzzy blobs the size of Turkey dotted around on it? > why you are full of lie and fraud? Talking to people like that on these mailing lists is not acceptable. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On May 12, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Murat Karadeniz <murat.karadeniz@emo.org.tr> wrote: > why you are full of lie and fraud? Let's keep things civil folks...
Dave Page wrote: > Don't forget that the EnterpriseDB website is under the jurisdiction > of US law - and as I understand it, reproducing this sort of > non-copyrightable info, compiled from publicly accessible sources is > perfectly acceptable there. > Not really, but this is a common enough misunderstanding that it even provides some protection under the law here. Cybertec should put an explicit copyright notice on all of the pages of their web site, to reduce the odds of this confusion happening. Under US law it helps eliminate the quite reasonable defense you have here, that this was simply what's called "innocent infringement"--that it was copied without realizing the content was protected. If I were a Cybertec customer, in addition to being mad at EDB I'd also be disappointed that this basic step to help protect use of my name wasn't followed. I throw copyright notices on everything, just basic good business practice to make it clear the information isn't in the public domain. However, Cybertec's position here is still correct, if EDB's map includes data derived from their http://www.cybertec.at/en/postgresql_customers (I didn't see it before it went away) That content is protected even in the US anyway, despite not having an explicit notice or copyright registration. Since March of 1989, the US has been following the Berne Convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works making its rules here match most of the world, and all of the EU. So as of 1989 here in the US too, you don't have to say something is copyrighted to have a copyright, it's implicit and automatic upon publication. In most countries the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty helped reinforce there's no difference for digital distribution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyright_Treaty Basically, copying stuff off another website outside of the usual "fair use" guidelines is always prohibited in most of the world. This restriction is the same one for why people trying to submit patches to PostgreSQL with "download from my web site here" are always told to submit their patch to the mailing list instead. The project can never use web content unless the page itself is extremely clear that it grants appropriate license terms. I suspect EDB's web team should have a little talk with the legal department there about borrowing this content, and when it's done any of those orange dots derived from Cybertec's site will go away. P.S. the right way to have handled this is to mail a letter to EDB saying their site is using copyrighted material and they should stop. Sending something to this mailing list is satisfying in terms of getting a fast resolution, but it's not following the right sort of procedures to protect that copyrighted data either. I am certainly not a lawyer, but I do know paper is the right way to send this sort of message if you want to protect what you're written. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US greg@2ndQuadrant.com Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support www.2ndQuadrant.us
This mailing list is *not* appropriate for this discussion. Thanks. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
Alistair, > Postgres is used by the freight rail system here in South Africa as > well as the largest medical practice management systems vendor for > their larger sites. The southern bit of Africa should certainly not be > that dark. So, you wanna host a pgDay? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > However, Cybertec's position here is still correct, if EDB's map includes > data derived from their http://www.cybertec.at/en/postgresql_customers (I > didn't see it before it went away) That content is protected even in the US > anyway, despite not having an explicit notice or copyright registration. My (probably incorrect) understanding was that implicit copyright only applies to anything that can be considered artistic - eg. code that's been written, or creative text or images, but not for example, simple lists of names. Similar to those arguments about header files that describe standards compliant APIs being non-copyrightable, because they are non-artistic, statements of fact. But, I'm probably wrong - I'm not a lawyer, nor am I part of our web team. I'm just the guy that takes all the flak. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
Let's please stop this discussion, thanks, Dave! -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com San Francisco
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > Let's please stop this discussion, thanks, Dave! Huh? I haven't said anything on this thread in over 24 hours - and certainly have no desire to resurrect it. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On 5/13/11 11:17 AM, Dave Page wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Joshua Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: >> >> Let's please stop this discussion, thanks, Dave! > > Huh? I haven't said anything on this thread in over 24 hours - and > certainly have no desire to resurrect it. Odd. Apparently one of your messages got held up in the mail queue and delivered to me this morning. Sorry for the noise. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com