Thread: Watch your PlanetPostgreSQL.org blogs
Apparently Command Prompt and Devrim GÜNDÜZ own planetpostgresql.org and can arbitrarily decide to remove your blog from planetpostgresql. I, and several others, received an email telling us that we we were not meeting the (unpublished) requirements for blog display length. Try telling blogger how much you want to display. At best it is hit or miss. BTW, my longest post in recent time was about 10 paragraphs long. I didn't count words but it was NOT a *long* post. Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an OSS conference. Coincidence? Anyway, that means that a single person can enforce his own, unpublished standards for acceptable content and length. This kind of arbitrary, "take my ball and go home" mentality is exactly what will turn off people who are thinking about whether or not they want to join this community. PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from the homepage. If it is really a community effort, it should be controlled by the community and not by Devrim. If an alternate aggregator is started, what is the process to have it added to postgresql.org? Thanks, LewisC Lewis R Cunningham An Expert's Guide to Oracle Technology http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/oracle/guide/ Postgres Forums http://postgres.enterprisedb.com/forum.do
Lewis, > PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and > should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a > project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated > by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from > the homepage. Historically, discussions regarding what goes on Planetpostgresql.org have taken place on pgsql-www, and Devrim has been pretty consistent in raising issues there before taking action. I don't know why he didn't this time; I've posted to pgsql-www inquiring. He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.)
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Lewis Cunningham <lewisc@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently Command Prompt and Devrim GÜNDÜZ own planetpostgresql.org
> and can arbitrarily decide to remove your blog from planetpostgresql.
Lewis, as I politely explained to you this is not the case. Let me post
that email here so there is zero question on this matter:
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> This seems pretty one-sided and arbitrary.
>
> Is this Devrim the owner of planetpostgresql? Does he set the law
It is his project yes.
> for anyone carried on the feed?
>
It is a uniform policy. Although possibly not as well advertised as it
should be.
> I checked my recent posts and I have not had any that were overly
> large. The largest in that last month or so was about 10 paragraphs.
> Is that the new standard?
The problem isn't the length of your post as a blog. It's that you
aren't following headline rules.
Look here:
http://www.commandprompt.com/blogs/
You will see short headlines of the blog, that is the part that is
supposed to show up at planet. Not the whole blog.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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AND:
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:37:53 -0800 (PST)
Lewis Cunningham <lewisc@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> So was it the length of my last post or the topic?
It is the length in which your blog displays on Planet. You must trim
to headline per my direct email to you.
>
> Will you be policing all posts to planetpostgresql now? Should I
It is his project to do with what he wishes but this isn't policing. It
is providing uniform coverage for all bloggers on the feed.
> Do you have them written? Number of words, paragraphs, just Devrim's
> opinion?
LewisC this attitude is really not required. He provided the examples
of acceptable blog entries below. Devrim if the BFDL of Planet, we all
have to abide by the policies he sets forth and to date they have been
very reasonable.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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AND:
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> Hi,
>
> I removed your blogs from Planet, since your last posts were long
> enough
> for Planet. Our rule is:
>
> ==============
> *If* your posts are very long, please break them into two parts.
> One
> that's included on planetpostgresql.org and a second that's
> available
> after clicking a link. This will keep the layout of
> planetpostgresql.org
> easy and quick for our visitors. Please see David Fetter's or
> Joshua
> Drake's, or Jeff David's posts as good examples (we have more
> examples,
> of course).
> ==============
>
> This was sent to you on Jan 08, 2008.
>
> Please let me know when your posts are fixed.
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE
> PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7
> support
> Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting
> Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
>
}}}
As everyone can now clearly see. You sir, are flanning flames for a
fire started on wet wood.
>
> I, and several others, received an email telling us that we we were
> not meeting the (unpublished) requirements for blog display length.
> Try telling blogger how much you want to display. At best it is hit
> or miss.
>
Yes and others is the key here. Anyone on this list that users planet
that has had a too long post has received the email in the past.
> BTW, my longest post in recent time was about 10 paragraphs long. I
> didn't count words but it was NOT a *long* post.
Which is, too long per the specification set by Devrim.
>
> Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement
> about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an
> OSS conference. Coincidence?
>
Actually it is. *I* am the one that ask Devrim to review current posts
on Planet because I noticed that several were too long per the policy.
> Anyway, that means that a single person can enforce his own,
> unpublished standards for acceptable content and length. This kind
> of arbitrary, "take my ball and go home" mentality is exactly what
> will turn off people who are thinking about whether or not they want
> to join this community.
LewisC I am afraid you are way off base here. As the above emails show.
>
> PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and
> should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a
> project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as intimated
> by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be removed from
> the homepage.
LewisC, Devrim is a major contributor to this project and I would note
that to date, you are the only one that has complained about this
policy. Because the policy, makes sense.
Please, take a chill pill. Have a good weekend.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:56:30 -0800 Josh Berkus <josh@postgresql.org> wrote: > Lewis, > > > PlanetPostgrSQL.org is listed on the postgresql.org home page and > > should be controlled by more than a single individual. If this is a > > project that is policed and controlled solely by Devrim (as > > intimated by Joshua Drake, to me, in an email), then it should be > > removed from the homepage. > > Historically, discussions regarding what goes on Planetpostgresql.org > have taken place on pgsql-www, and Devrim has been pretty consistent > in raising issues there before taking action. I don't know why he > didn't this time; I've posted to pgsql-www inquiring. Josh I invite you to see my reply on this. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0bstATb/zqfZUUQRAkVBAJ9PGeXYwReEgGybULG4SwDFy9Y64ACdEiRw czIEYh1Mo/y4H1HVLo+fkBk= =4u+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 13:56 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org. I am. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Hi, On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 13:42 -0800, Lewis Cunningham wrote: > Of course, this comes just days after Devrim and I had a disagreement > about being restricted to using OSS tools or not for presenting at an > OSS conference. Coincidence? I don't care about the rest of your post that much, but this is really... err. stupid. I thought that noone involving in PostgreSQL project was narrow-minded. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Devrim, > > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org. > > I am. Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never been an issue before. Lewis, from the sound of it, you just need to put less text in your "excerpt" portion of your posts. Is that correct, Devrim? -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:16:19 -0800 Josh Berkus <josh@postgresql.org> wrote: > Devrim, > > > > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org. > > > > I am. > > Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never > been an issue before. Robert has rights as do I but Devrim is by far the BDFL on this. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0b+KATb/zqfZUUQRAryoAJ4nRB89cD90MoEnDwnUOvUtNcsNXgCfRN6o AMktrSCUw0Q7pAdr6fLp+4o= =r/do -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:16 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > He's also not the sole admin of planetpostgresql.org. > > > > I am. > > Really? I thought Robert had rights. Well, it's obviously never been > an issue before. Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that box, but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL. > Lewis, from the sound of it, you just need to put less text in your > "excerpt" portion of your posts. Is that correct, Devrim? Exactly. Like your blog, Joshua's blog, Hubert's blog, etc. If a blog software does not have that feature, we have some alternatives like feedburner. If asked politely, I'm happy to help anyone. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Devrim, > Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that box, > but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL. Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something. > Exactly. Like your blog, Joshua's blog, Hubert's blog, etc. If a blog > software does not have that feature, we have some alternatives like > feedburner. If asked politely, I'm happy to help anyone. Lewis is on the same SW I am: ittoolbox.com. It works pretty normally where excerpts are concerned. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.)
Hi, On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:24 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Well, technically all community sysadmins has full access to that > box, > > but it does not mean that they are administrating Planet PostgreSQL. > > Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something. I'm not talking about the technical issues -- I'm talking about the policy stuff. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Hi, On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 14:26 -0800, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > > Nope, but it does cover us if you get sick or something. > > I'm not talking about the technical issues -- I'm talking about the > policy stuff. BTW: When someone wants to land Planet PostgreSQL, I forward this request to planet internal list, and ask for comments. There have been only very few exceptions on this, I think. Magnus helps me a lot, and always comments on these request. So, I'm not the only person, but yes, I own the domain ;) -HTH. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:30:18 -0800 (PST) Lewis Cunningham <lewisc@rocketmail.com> wrote: > I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My > problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was > booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open & > discussed" event? > > I still say a single "king" is bad thing. But I had my say, it > sounds like I am alone in my opinion and I'll shut up now. > > LewisC - Off to take a chill pill Lewis, all you have to do is this: Log in to blogger. Select Settings Select Site Feed Change Allow Blog Feeds to short Problem solved. You owe me a beer. I didn't have a blogger account until this argument. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0f8tATb/zqfZUUQRApj2AJ9BjkOQ6oAmMmiDQHCpKWl3YBMBBQCfcMSz 9BWpE8IB4LsIIVgvCAOCJgs= =ITSj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Lewis, On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Lewis Cunningham <lewisc@rocketmail.com> wrote: > > My problem is not even so much the feed. I know how to use yahoo > pipes and feedburner to create a custom feed. The problem is two > fold. First, this is supposed to be a community aggregator and a > single person is making arbitrary rules on who and how to use it. > Second, is the matter of a policy that is undocumented, subject to a > single person's interpretation and where enforcement is not open. Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding. planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project started and run by a very well liked and respected community member (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with the exception of pgFoundry) > I was just surprised to get an email booting me off the aggregator. I've certainly seen requests to keep introductory paragraphs to a reasonable length in the past - did you not get them as well? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
Dave Page wrote: > Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding. > planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project > started and run by a very well liked and respected community member > (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web > team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community > project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with > the exception of pgFoundry) And with the new exception of the community documentation recently started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org. -- Guy Rouillier
Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com> writes: > Dave Page wrote: >> Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding. >> planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project >> started and run by a very well liked and respected community member >> (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web >> team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community >> project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with >> the exception of pgFoundry) > And with the new exception of the community documentation recently > started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org. Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community" project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been started with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have been set up under postgresql.org. regards, tom lane
Err, no. That is also not a postgresql.org website. Let me clarify, so JD doesn't slap my wrists again. Official PostgreSQL project sites/services are deployed under the postgresql.org domain, having been agreed upon by -www or the sysadmin team. We have a policy of not using alternate domain names, or even site names as far as is practical. The only exceptions are pgFoundry, and some backend infrastructure. Other sites, such as planetpostgresql an postgresqldocs, are not run as part of the PostgreSQ On 3/8/08, Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com> wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > > Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding. > > planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project > > started and run by a very well liked and respected community member > > (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read web > > team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a community > > project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our sites are, (with > > the exception of pgFoundry) > > And with the new exception of the community documentation recently > started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org. > > -- > Guy Rouillier > > -- > Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general > -- Sent from my mobile device Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:39:32 -0500 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com> writes: > > Dave Page wrote: > >> Well there's a major part of your misunderstanding. > >> planetpostgresql.org IS NOT a community project. It is a project > >> started and run by a very well liked and respected community member > >> (with the assistance of a few others), that the community - read > >> web team, plus others - support and encourage. If it were a > >> community project it would be under postgresql.org, as all our > >> sites are, (with the exception of pgFoundry) > > > And with the new exception of the community documentation recently > > started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org. > > Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community" > project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been > started with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have > been set up under postgresql.org. I suggest you check the archives the the numerous threads on the topic of having community editable documentation that have essentially been ignored by the Web team (of which I am a part). > > regards, tom lane The "community" is much bigger than the small atom of .Org. .Org is obviously the hub and the central switch no question but your assessment of it not being a community project is a testament to arrogance that I haven't seen in some days on these lists. Are you to say that the easy 99% of people that use PostgreSQL that don't participate within the .Org aren't part of our community? Or perhaps that the ITPUG folks, who for the most part do not participate on these lists aren't part of our community? Or perhaps you are saying that the very hard work by Elein via the old Bits days are not part of the community just because it doesn't have PostgreSQL.org address. Tom with the utmost of respect, you are in this instance the most centered of the definition wrong I have seen. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0wFzATb/zqfZUUQRAipKAJ9YMbSe+n1Po192p4LsoicLxtENnQCgissO tsUnc3U5JxELsF0DtV8F1PQ= =65IL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:57:28 +0000 "Dave Page" <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > Err, no. That is also not a postgresql.org website. Let me clarify, so > JD doesn't slap my wrists again. > > Official PostgreSQL project sites/services are deployed under the > postgresql.org domain, having been agreed upon by -www or the sysadmin > team. We have a policy of not using alternate domain names, or even > site names as far as is practical. The only exceptions are pgFoundry, > and some backend infrastructure. Right. > > Other sites, such as planetpostgresql an postgresqldocs, are not run > as part of the PostgreSQ This got cut off but I assume you meant, "as part of the PostgreSQL.Org infrastructure (or PostgreSQL.Org community)". That would be correct. PlanetPostgresql, Postgresqldocs, Postgresqlconference, ITPUG, PostgreSQLFR, PostgreSQL.eu are PostgreSQL community projects but they are not PostgreSQL.Org projects. Which in my mind is cool (I know not everyone agrees) because it is a testament to the strength of our community as a whole. To look at PostgreSQL as just PostgreSQL.org doesn't do the community or the project itself justice. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0wJvATb/zqfZUUQRAlrUAJoCUaCODEBcpybMxaolvSZBvTLzCwCfS8Wl Q57H0YsZ5cawnaHL2DpDIwI= =LjJr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, Either please change the subject, or let's move this discussion to -www, with a different subject. Thanks. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Tom Lane wrote: > Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com> writes: >> And with the new exception of the community documentation recently >> started at http://www.postgresqldocs.org. > > Which in fact has got only the weakest claim to be a "community" > project. If it actually were such, in the sense of having been started > with community-wide discussion and approval, it would have been set up > under postgresql.org. Well, color me confused. I don't pretend to understand what all this is about, and as just a user of PG, I don't necessarily have the need to know. I'm just trying to give back to the community in whatever small way I can, and I thought community documentation would offer me the opportunity to do that. The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now "official", and the previous one is defunct. So I'd ask those decision-makers to come up with a single consistent story for us run-of-the-mill community members. -- Guy Rouillier
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:27:43 -0500 Guy Rouillier <guyr-ml1@burntmail.com> wrote: > The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever > contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG > decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now > "official", and the previous one is defunct. So I'd ask those > decision-makers to come up with a single consistent story for us > run-of-the-mill community members. I don't think anyone can argue with this: http://www.postgresqldocs.org is not a PostgreSQL.org project. It is a PostgreSQL Community project, by the very nature that it has PostgreSQL community members contributing to it. The confusion comes in when sweeping statements of tasks and projects not being part of the "community". Where "community" is not correctly defined. However when we use such a limited, false and frankly naive definition of community, PostgreSQL.org becomes nothing because it loses everything that makes it powerful. Consider that only three drivers are developed under PostgreSQL.org, jdbc, psqlodbc and C. All of the others are developed independently of PostgreSQL.Org and yet are respectable and deserving members of the "community". Further consider that applications that make PostgreSQL.org powerful Drupal, WordPress, Postgis, Postbooks, and LedgerSMB etc... are also not developed under PostgreSQL.org but are very much a part of the community. Lastly let's not forget our regional communities such as PostgreSQL.eu, itpug.org, PostgreSQLFR.org, PostgreSQL.BR etc... We can in anyway suggest they are not members of the "community" can we? As a "run-of-the-mill" community member, I argue that your perceptions, are more important than the self inflated ideals of any "contributor" (myself included), because there are 1000 run-of-the-mill community members for every known contributor. It is those 1000 run-of-the-mill community members that are actually driving the growth of our "Community" which encompasses but is not anywhere near limited to PostgreSQL.org and yet has everything to do with, "PostgreSQL" Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL political pundit | Mocker of Dolphins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0zIpATb/zqfZUUQRAh9iAJ93qioqemOZJAsempOEQyX/nSCa2ACgim77 BjLOXFFq64gt0NJCvna0tHA= =+Jac -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008, Guy Rouillier wrote: > The only thing I think I have a right to ask is that whatever > contributions I may make not be a waste of effort because the PG > decision-makers have decided that a certain repository is now > "official", and the previous one is defunct. Contributions to postgresqldocs.org are licensed such the author still retains copyright on that work. If you write something there and later decide some other site would be a better home for the documentation you wrote, you can copy whatever you did over. You should never work on documentation you want to contribute to the world with someone if you don't end up with the ability to use it elsewhere afterwards. > So I'd ask those decision-makers to come up with a single consistent > story for us run-of-the-mill community members. Right now the official home for community documentation is http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs I personally find editing and posting material there too difficult, which is why I'm writing on the postgresqldocs.org wiki instead. The PostgreSQL WWW team is investigating a more flexible approach as well. You can find a recent statement of their plans in this area at http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2008-02/msg00217.php If you're concerned about contributing to a site not officially under the banner of the PostgreSQL Global Development Group, by all means wait to see what they come up. There can't be a "single consistent story" from them and from "run-of-the-mill" me until they've built something that isn't available yet. Since I like to write but am not into that sort of infrastructure building task, I just keep chugging away at what I'm good at while I wait to see how that turns out. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
Lewis, > > I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My > > problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was > > booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open & > > discussed" event? Actually, the policy was discussed on pgsql-www mailing list in November, I believe, due to formatting issues on the Postgresql.org home page. Devrim says he e-mailed you (and every other planetpostgresql.org feed) about it in January. The policy will also be going up somewhere linked from planetpostgresql.org since we've had this discussion; not having in on the web was an oversight. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team Member (any opinions expressed are my own)
Hello,
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:59:49 -0700 Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > I have no problem with having a policy or following a policy. My
> > > problem is: Where is it? When was the last time someone's blog was
> > > booted from planetpostgresql? Is it documented, i.e. an "open &
> > > discussed" event?
>
> Actually, the policy was discussed on pgsql-www mailing list in November, I
> believe, due to formatting issues on the Postgresql.org home page. Devrim
> says he e-mailed you (and every other planetpostgresql.org feed) about it in
> January.
i can remember that i got this an email from Devrim. Even if i don't
had a specific problem with one of my postings. But i can't remember
the exact date. It was either end of 2007 or beginning 2008.
Kind regards
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Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group