Thread: Wanted: new project slogan
All, I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the branding on the name is too entrenched to change. However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. There's several problems with our current slogan: "The Most Advanced Open Source Database" (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB. (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in specific areas. (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it to a vote on a survey site somewhere. --Josh Berkus
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the > branding on the name is too entrenched to change. > (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some > people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. Woot! +1 PostgreSQL The world's open source database -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On 01/25/2010 11:30 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the > branding on the name is too entrenched to change. > > However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. > > There's several problems with our current slogan: > > "The Most Advanced Open Source Database" > > (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and > unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal > and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG > users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB. > > (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most > advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are > still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in > specific areas. > > (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some > people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > > --Josh Berkus > The Database for Restful Nights The Elephant Never Forgets Stability,Extendability,Community -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@gmail.com
<sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-( On 1/25/10, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > All, > > I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the > branding on the name is too entrenched to change. > > However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. > > There's several problems with our current slogan: > > "The Most Advanced Open Source Database" > > (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and > unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal > and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG > users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB. > > (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most > advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are > still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in > specific areas. > > (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some > people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > > --Josh Berkus > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy > -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote: > <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a > shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-( Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it. Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design". --Josh
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the > branding on the name is too entrenched to change. > (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some > people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. Woot! +1 PostgreSQL The world's open source database -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Josh Berkus wrote: > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > PostgreSQL / It just works PostgreSQL / Works for you PostgreSQL / Will not let you down PostgreSQL / Looks after your data PostgreSQL / Your SQL database PostgreSQL / Your next database -- Rafael Martinez, <r.m.guerrero@usit.uio.no> Center for Information Technology Services University of Oslo, Norway PGP Public Key: http://folk.uio.no/rafael/
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote: >> <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a >> shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-( > > Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it. No, we're not that dappy. > Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design". It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On 25/01/2010 19:30, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the > branding on the name is too entrenched to change. > > However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. > > There's several problems with our current slogan: > > "The Most Advanced Open Source Database" "The most reliable open source database". Ray. -- Raymond O'Donnell :: Galway :: Ireland rod@iol.ie
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes: > However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. The Professional Database Solution I'm failing to find an English phrase (or single world) to express that PostgreSQL is offering way more than just data storage. Like a protocol, an extensible system (types, operator classes, indexes, user functions), a development system, etc. So in lots of cases where you need 3-tier architecture, the middleware part can be (and more often than not, is best) implemented inside PostgreSQL. Regards, -- dim
- Start here. Get there. - If your Data is Important
Just from the key words in http://www.postgresql.org/about/: Open Source Power and Reliability or Power with Integrity (a play on 'integrity' you see, but don't know whether plays on words are a good idea) Oliver Kohll
2010/1/26 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org>: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: >> On 1/25/10 12:22 PM, Dave Page wrote: >>> <sigh>Might have been better to suggest this before we ordered a >>> shedload of swag using the current tagline after discussion here :-( >> >> Hopefully you didn't order anything with "8.5" on it. > > No, we're not that dappy. > >> Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design". > > It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts. Don't forget there is a lot of other stuff with that slogan on it. Rollups, posters, etc - all the kind of re-usable conference stuff that you don't replace every time. You should probably count at least a couple of thousand dollars in pure replacement costs (not counting work time of course). But in general, it's usually claimed that's a small part of the cost of replacing a logo or slogan. You might want to do some kind of cost-analysis on what this is actually going to cost before pushing something like that through. (Oh, and when talking about other databases claiming to be more advanced. If you're comparing with other OSS databases, mysql still claims to be the most popular opensource database, and I don't see sqlite complaining loudly about that - though I believe they have a lot more installations. not to mention berkeleydb) -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On Mon, January 25, 2010 20:30, Josh Berkus wrote: > > a new project slogan. > PostgreSQL - The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 > However, I think for 9.0 it's time for a new project slogan. > > There's several problems with our current slogan: Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though... > (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and > unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal > and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG > users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB. Because we have "advanced" in our slogan?! Seems unlikely. > (2) LucidDB, Hadoop, Cassandra and others could now argue that "most > advanced" really depends on how you define "advanced". While we are > still the most advanced general-purpose OSDB, they are ahead of us in > specific areas. Well, sure, but that's going to be true no matter what superlative we choose. > (3) A new slogan for 9.0 could help punch up the release and get some > people to try 9 who turned away from previous versions. Agreed with the first, but not the second. > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. - -1 on the slogan change. But... <humor> Oh, I can't resist.. :) How about: PostgreSQL: Unpronounceably awesome! PostgreSQL: The most powerful software you can't pronounce PostgreSQL: The open source Oracle with the funny name - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001261032 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAktfC08ACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgpZwCg1snNXcpS4AGMxDPlOUGIP8BS UTkAoKKJbhtY3G7DGiVWa8teOJntxQvb =DEsS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Josh Berkus ha scritto: > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > > My first suggestion is a very simple and "humble" one: :) PostgreSQL Open-Source Database -- Gabriele Bartolini - 2ndQuadrant Italia PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support gabriele.bartolini@2ndQuadrant.it | www.2ndQuadrant.it
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:43 +0100, Gabriele Bartolini wrote: > Josh Berkus ha scritto: > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > > > > > > My first suggestion is a very simple and "humble" one: :) > > PostgreSQL > Open-Source Database Or... PostgreSQL The Open Source Database Of course I know that isn't going to happen, because for some reason we must all get along, but man... the stomping we could do with that. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Joshua D. Drake ha scritto: > PostgreSQL > The Open Source Database > I had actually thought about this as well, but I deliberately removed the 'The' article, as I would love users to add it. :) -- Gabriele Bartolini - 2ndQuadrant Italia PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support gabriele.bartolini@2ndQuadrant.it | www.2ndQuadrant.it
PostgreSQL *Your* Open Source Database ---Michael Brewer mbrewer@gmail.com
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:00 -0500, Michael Alan Brewer wrote: > PostgreSQL > *Your* Open Source Database Ohhhhhhh..... I like that. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
> Open Source Power and Reliability Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example: Postgres: Security, Power, and High Performance vs. Postgres: Open Source Security, Power, and High Performance -- ----- http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm)
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > PostgreSQL > The Open Source Database How about: The 'Open' Open Source Database -- Regards, Richard Broersma Jr. Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG) http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 13:34 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote: > > Open Source Power and Reliability > > Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing > collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give > Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally > afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast > majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features > (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example: > Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting capabilities etc... > Postgres: Security, Power, and High Performance > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of the things that makes us who we are. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of > the things that makes us who we are. > How about something like: Postgres: Liberate Your Data! -- greg
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > > PostgreSQL > > The Open Source Database > > How about: > > The 'Open' Open Source Database If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can go with this. :) Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 13:34 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote:Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting
> > Open Source Power and Reliability
>
> Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing
> collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give
> Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally
> afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast
> majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features
> (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example:
>
capabilities etc...
I could be wrong but I believe he meant LINQ and MDX. I was going to write a really incredulous email about how we indeed don't have those features but it turns out we have both:
There are a few open source and at least on commercial product to provide LINQ to PostgreSQL support. From what I can tell the open source products aren't really done yet. One says it doesn't support transactions.
The open source Mondrian project can sit in front of a whole bunch of different databases, including PostgreSQL, to provide MDX capabilities.
The problem is none of them right out of the box so to speak. They all take fiddling.
Nik Everett
>> Besides, I didn't see the swag thread, unless it's "new mug design". > > It was. Following that thread we ordered lots of mugs and shirts. Stopped tracking that thread. Given that I was travelling and was not interested in mugs for the USA (per discussion), I stopped paying attention to it before you added the slogan to the design; previous discussion had involved putting something else entirely on the mugs. Anyway, it's likely to take us until July to come up with a new slogan. So you have plenty of time to move the merchandise. And it's not as if the "Most Advanced" slogan is frowned on, I just want to replace it with something better. --Josh Berkus
> Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting > capabilities etc... I know that... what I'm talking about are things like writing stored procedures using DotNet assemblies, as well as the reporting components that are included with SQL-Server itself. Many companies use these components, and it'd be darn near impossible to get them working with any other data source. > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of > the things that makes us who we are. Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server Express does. :) --JK -- ----- http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm)
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > PostgreSQL: The most powerful software you can't pronounce > I don't think you're fully taking advantage of the opportunity to advance your name change agenda into the slogan with: PostgreSQL: It's OK to call it Postgres, just not Postgre I'm not sure if it's a great idea to drag this never ending thread along here--I can see some of the business types who I know follow along here just unsubscribing over a flood of messages from this list. I'd think that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well populated really. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.com
Greg, > I'd think > that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas > would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the > community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well > populated really. If coming up with a new slogan isn't the business of the -advocacy list, what is? It's certainly more central to the list than a discussion about the Oracle-Sun acquisition. And I *especially* want to hear from the business types about what they would consider a good slogan. --Josh Berkus
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:42 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote: > > Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting > > capabilities etc... > > I know that... what I'm talking about are things like writing stored > procedures using DotNet assemblies, as well as the reporting components > that are included with SQL-Server itself. Many companies use these > components, and it'd be darn near impossible to get them working with any > other data source. > > > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of > > the things that makes us who we are. > > Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the > free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server > Express does. :) I think you are confusing Postgres Plus with Postgres Plus Advanced Server. Joshua D. Drake > > --JK > > -- > > ----- > http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 > GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm) > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Richard Broersma wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>
> > PostgreSQL
> > The Open Source Database
>
> How about:
>
> The 'Open' Open Source Database
And of course:
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The Open Source Database
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> I think you are confusing Postgres Plus with Postgres Plus Advanced > Server. Here's what I'm trying to get at. Most databases that are aimed directly at enterprise apps either have a) a price tag, or b) limitations on use (as in SQL-Server Express, the free version of EnterpriseDB, Oracle XE). I would like to create a slogan that takes plain vanilla PostgreSQL (*NOT* the EnterpriseDB versions), the PostgreSQL that has no funny restrictions and that you can use to store terabytes of data, and aims it squarely at those types of workloads that would traditionally run the Express versions of SQL-S, Oracle, or EnterpriseDB. -- ----- http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm)
> Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though... They have, actually. Particularly professional marketing types, who *do* have some experience when it comes to slogans. (josh waits for Rob Napier to speak up) And it's possible we won't change it just because we can't come up with a better one. >> (1) "most advanced" suggests that PostgreSQL is complex and >> unapproachable by non-DB-experts. It doesn't exactly encourage Drupal >> and Wordpress geeks to give us a try, and as a result some potential PG >> users are turning to CouchDB and MongoDB. > > Because we have "advanced" in our slogan?! Seems unlikely. Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users. Obviously, HOWTOs, tutorial, videos, and simple admin tools will go further towards driving adoption. But I think we need work on our image as well. > PostgreSQL: Unpronounceably awesome! Hah! --Josh
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 11:45 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though... > Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last > week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being > high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of > the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users. You realize we are high-performance, powerful, and very very complex right? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 >> Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though... > They have, actually. Particularly professional marketing types, who > *do* have some experience when it comes to slogans. Okay, I'll amend that to say that in the last 10 years nobody has ever raised the issue once on any mailing list (that I recall anyway). > And it's possible we won't change it just because we can't come up with > a better one. Fair enough. In all seriousness I've not seen a better one in the proposals so far, but no harm in trying. > Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last > week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being > high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of > the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users. Waddya mean, the "image of"?! :) Although compared to Oracle and SQL Server, we are very uncomplex and simple to administer. Don't know how you put that in a slogan, though. > Obviously, HOWTOs, tutorial, videos, and simple admin tools will go > further towards driving adoption. But I think we need work on our image > as well. Highly agreed. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201001261451 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAktfSBAACgkQvJuQZxSWSsh2kACfSQ1rgFNMpbYNGjD24Wzpl7VY l9gAn1J6QEhs32190s97SiANoOHMGWgE =6QIU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last
> > week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being
> > high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of
> > the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users.
>
> Waddya mean, the "image of"?! :) Although compared to Oracle and SQL Server,
> we are very uncomplex and simple to administer. Don't know how you
> put that in a slogan, though.
Sure, new slogan:
PostgreSQL: Less complex than Oracle (but that doesn't mean much)
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Kramer <josh@globalherald.net> wrote: > > Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the > free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server > Express does. :) Our free distro is standard PostgreSQL + a bunch of useful extra stuff. There's no 4GB limit. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
josh@agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) writes: > Greg, > >> I'd think >> that a blog posting from someone interested in collecting slogan ideas >> would be a better way to collect up initial brainstorming ideas from the >> community at large, rather than this list which isn't that well >> populated really. > > If coming up with a new slogan isn't the business of the -advocacy list, > what is? It's certainly more central to the list than a discussion > about the Oracle-Sun acquisition. > > And I *especially* want to hear from the business types about what they > would consider a good slogan. > > --Josh Berkus Peter Eisentraut blogged something about this with some suggestion of moniker containing the word "universal," which seems attractive to me... Once upon a time, Informix renamed (at a time when there were some commonalities in the original provenance of our respective code bases, since at one time, Postgres begat Illustra...) to "Informix UDB", suggesting some "universality" of their implementation. I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="gmail.com" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/slony.html What is the difference between a robot and a duck? Answer: A duck floats when you throw it in the water.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote: > > I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). Your Data: Any time, Any Place. -- Rodger Donaldson rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson <rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote: >> >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). > > Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Haha. :) +1 Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh, someone please argue with me about that!). Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) -selena -- http://chesnok.com/daily - me http://endpoint.com - work
On Tuesday 26 January 2010 3:26:42 pm Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson > > <rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote: > >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). > > > > Your Data: Any time, Any Place. > > Haha. :) +1 > > Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project > has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh, > someone please argue with me about that!). > > Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the > ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :) > > -selena -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@gmail.com
> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the > ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) Or better yet, let's implement a markov chain algorithm to periodically come up with new slogans based on the frequency of occurrence of various words in this slogan debate! -- ----- http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm)
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:26 -0800, Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson > <rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote: > >> > >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). > > > > Your Data: Any time, Any Place. > > Haha. :) +1 > > Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project > has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh, > someone please argue with me about that!). O.k. :) We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no unified vision of the future. > > Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the > ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) Ohhh, I like that. Have some fun with it. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
David Fetter wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: >> >>> PostgreSQL >>> The Open Source Database >> How about: >> >> The 'Open' Open Source Database > > If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can > go with this. :) Well if not their code, then certainly their documentation. You pretty much have to purchase a book to do anything. But I'd hope we're past the stage of comparing ourselves with MySQL or Firebird. Instead we should focus on what makes us attractive to Oracle, DB2 or SQL Server shops. When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like: PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again PostgreSQL - The database you'll love PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard Obviously the hit on Oracle is the cost, management and intrusiveness. Because transaction processing need not involve your credit card PostgreSQL - Because your database shouldn't manage you PostgreSQL - Power without a 6 figure baby sitter And if we really need to poke at MySQL then: PostgreSQL - Licensed to kill Ok, well all of my suggestions suck. But you get the point. Scott
> We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no > unified vision of the future. PostgreSQL: The Database of Entropic Destinies. -- ----- http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm)
Joshua Kramer wrote: > >> We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no >> unified vision of the future. > > PostgreSQL: The Database of Entropic Destinies. > LOL. That would look awesome on a tie-die! Scott
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:43 +0100, Gabriele Bartolini wrote: > Josh Berkus ha scritto: > > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. > > > > > > My first suggestion is a very simple and "humble" one: :) > > PostgreSQL > Open-Source Database Or... PostgreSQL The Open Source Database Of course I know that isn't going to happen, because for some reason we must all get along, but man... the stomping we could do with that. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On 01/26/2010 03:34 PM, Scott Bailey wrote: > When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so > frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like: > PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again > PostgreSQL - The database you'll love > PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard I like the general concept -- how 'bout: PostgreSQL - Powerful Freedom Joe
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Scott Bailey wrote: > David Fetter wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 09:06:17AM -0800, Richard Broersma wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > >> > >>> PostgreSQL > >>> The Open Source Database > >> How about: > >> > >> The 'Open' Open Source Database > > > > If the Firebird copyrights are in intentionally limited hands, we can > > go with this. :) > > Well if not their code, then certainly their documentation. You pretty > much have to purchase a book to do anything. > > But I'd hope we're past the stage of comparing ourselves with MySQL or > Firebird. Instead we should focus on what makes us attractive to Oracle, > DB2 or SQL Server shops. > > When working on some databases, especially SQL Server, I always get so > frustrated with how difficult everything is. So maybe a slogan like: > PostgreSQL - Enjoy your database again I like the one above. > PostgreSQL - The database you'll love > PostgreSQL - Setting the standard for following the standard The Pennsylvania Railroad slogan was "Standard Railroad of the World". Can we modify that somehow? > Obviously the hit on Oracle is the cost, management and intrusiveness. > Because transaction processing need not involve your credit card > PostgreSQL - Because your database shouldn't manage you > PostgreSQL - Power without a 6 figure baby sitter > > And if we really need to poke at MySQL then: > PostgreSQL - Licensed to kill Good one --- has a James Bond feel, and I do think that using several different slogans has real value. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 20:09, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> Richard Broersma wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> > PostgreSQL
>> > The Open Source Database
>>
>> How about:
>> The 'Open' Open Source Database
>
> And of course:
> 2
> The Open Source Database
And on similar theme, why not just:
PostgreSQL: The Open Database
not only 'source' is open, the community is open, the possibilities
are open, the data inside is open.
some other ideas:
PostgreSQL - Feel Free.
PostgreSQL: Your Data is Important.
PostgreSQL: Meet the Future.
Best regards,
Dawid
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:00 -0500, Michael Alan Brewer wrote: > PostgreSQL > *Your* Open Source Database Ohhhhhhh..... I like that. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 13:34 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote: > > Open Source Power and Reliability > > Here's a novel idea. Can we create a slogan (and other marketing > collateral) without the use of the term "Open Source"? This may give > Postgres a 'foot in the door' to those entities who are irrationally > afraid of Open Source software... I am aiming directly at the vast > majority of SQL-Server workloads for which SQL-Server's advanced features > (reporting, DotNet integration, etc) are not needed. For example: > Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting capabilities etc... > Postgres: Security, Power, and High Performance > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of the things that makes us who we are. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Wed, January 27, 2010 12:29, Adrian Klaver wrote: >> Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project >> has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh, >> someone please argue with me about that!). >> >> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the >> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) > > Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :) "Magic 8-Ball" and "Database" is perhaps a pair to avoid. select cust_balance from general_ledger where cust_id = 'foo' "Outlook not so good."
Dawid Kuroczko wrote: > not only 'source' is open, the community is open, the possibilities > are open, the data inside is open. > This idea respins into a neat slogan: PostgreSQL: Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.com
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:42 -0500, Joshua Kramer wrote: > > Not a bad idea but... uh -- We have DotNet capabilties, reporting > > capabilities etc... > > I know that... what I'm talking about are things like writing stored > procedures using DotNet assemblies, as well as the reporting components > that are included with SQL-Server itself. Many companies use these > components, and it'd be darn near impossible to get them working with any > other data source. > > > I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of > > the things that makes us who we are. > > Perhaps EnterpriseDB could fill the niche I'm talking about, but (for the > free version anyway) they've got that pesky 4GB limit just like SQL-Server > Express does. :) I think you are confusing Postgres Plus with Postgres Plus Advanced Server. Joshua D. Drake > > --JK > > -- > > ----- > http://www.globalherald.net/jb01 > GlobalHerald.NET, the Smarter Social Network! (tm) > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 11:45 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > Nobody has ever raised any issues with our slogan before, though... > Actually, I heard this from a couple of Drupal folks at LCA just last > week. And *in general* Postgres now has the image of being > high-performance, powerful, big, and very, very complex. This is one of > the reasons non-relational DBs are getting so many new users. You realize we are high-performance, powerful, and very very complex right? Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > There's several problems with our current slogan: > > "The Most Advanced Open Source Database" <snip> Heh, *I think* none of the suggestions are better than current one. Even though I agree with your concerns regarding the current one and I also believe that we need to change it (or add more slogans), IMO we need something that suits our product, not our t-shirts or flyers. (... FWIW, I have always found MySQL's slogan stupid. Popularity does not mean that they doing the Right Thing.) -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz
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On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 15:26 -0800, Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Rodger Donaldson > <rodgerd@diaspora.gen.nz> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Chris Browne wrote: > >> > >> I think we have more "universalness" than they did then ;-). > > > > Your Data: Any time, Any Place. > > Haha. :) +1 > > Maybe we should have a few different things that we say. This project > has never been about having a unified vision of it's own future (oh, > someone please argue with me about that!). O.k. :) We do have a unified vision of the the future. In that there is no unified vision of the future. > > Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the > ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) Ohhh, I like that. Have some fun with it. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
* Greg Stark: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: >> I think removing Open Source from our slogan is a mistake. It is one of >> the things that makes us who we are. >> > > How about something like: > > Postgres: Liberate Your Data! A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data liberated. That's why "open" doesn't seem to be such a great term in the database context. Of course, there are different kinds of openness (format and algorithms vs content), but that's a rather subtle point, I think. -- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 26 January 2010 3:26:42 pm Selena Deckelmann wrote: >> >> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the >> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) > > Sort of the Magic 8 ball effect :) Am now visualizing a (blue) Magic 9.0 Ball (to promote the next release). ;) ---Michael Brewer mbrewer@gmail.com
I am reporting this suggestion: PostgreSQL: Your SQL or PostgreSQL: YourSQL (Don't blame me, I am just reporting)
Gabriele Bartolini wrote: > I am reporting this suggestion: > > PostgreSQL: Your SQL > > or > > PostgreSQL: YourSQL > > (Don't blame me, I am just reporting) *shivers* definitely not. But perhaps PostgreSQL: Even better with bacon! Scott
bruce@momjian.us (Bruce Momjian) writes: > Good one --- has a James Bond feel, and I do think that using several > different slogans has real value. We could set up an, um, database of slogans, maybe? -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="gmail.com" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/emacs.html "Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on." -- George Dau
josh@globalherald.net (Joshua Kramer) writes: >> Why not just embrace that fact and pick the best five slogans from the >> ones that have been offered? AND ROTATE THEM! :) > > Or better yet, let's implement a markov chain algorithm to > periodically come up with new slogans based on the frequency of > occurrence of various words in this slogan debate! [Chris rummages around his ~/Lisp directory... Yup, "parse-poetry.lisp" is still kicking around...] I've got one of those... Some years ago, my little program won a rather geeky "poetry generation" contest. I grabbed a corpus of sample poetry by one of those crazy "tax protestors," and the program would nicely generate poetry looking very much like this one guy's output. Give me 50 slogans, and the little program should be able to do the same :-). -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'gmail.com'; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/nonrdbms.html "The only ``intuitive'' interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned." -- Bruce Ediger, bediger@teal.csn.org on X interfaces.
2010/1/27 Scott Bailey <artacus@comcast.net>:
> Gabriele Bartolini wrote:
>>
>> I am reporting this suggestion:
>>
>> PostgreSQL: Your SQL
>>
>> or
>>
>> PostgreSQL: YourSQL
>>
>> (Don't blame me, I am just reporting)
>
> *shivers* definitely not.
>
> But perhaps
> PostgreSQL: Even better with bacon!
>
Vegan's may feel discarded. :P
What about:
Use Postgres, be open and leave everything else!
The Open Stable Solution.
--
Emanuel Calvo Franco
DBA at: www.siu.edu.ar
www.emanuelcalvofranco.com.ar
Join: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:00 -0500, Michael Alan Brewer wrote:
> PostgreSQL
> *Your* Open Source Database
Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with
"Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but
"Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing
the meaning.
We need to remind people that a DBMS isn't just a place to stash data,
it's a complete system. This also differentiates us from the NoSQL
crowd, which seems much more confused about the distinction between a
database and the system that manages it (for example, the mixing of data
and schema is prevalent among those using KV stores or tree/graph
systems).
Regards,
Jeff Davis
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 12:01 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:
> I'm failing to find an English phrase (or single world) to express that
> PostgreSQL is offering way more than just data storage. Like a protocol,
> an extensible system (types, operator classes, indexes, user functions),
> a development system, etc.
"Database Management System" is one way of saying it, but that's a
little verbose for a slogan, so perhaps "Database System".
Regards,
Jeff Davis
On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 17:10 +0000, Greg Stark wrote:
> Postgres: Liberate Your Data!
I like it. It may not even need the "!".
Also, it looks like it would translate well into many languages.
Regards,
Jeff Davis
On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with > "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but > "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing > the meaning. You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds that way.
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On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 23:31 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's
> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more
> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably
> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds
> that way.
Technically, that's true. I was trying for some kind of compromise, but
I can see why you don't like it.
I would like to get away from calling PostgreSQL a "database" in any
official documentation, slogans, or anything else. In my opinion, our
slogan shouldn't add to the confusion, particularly when that same
confusion may be driving much of the NoSQL movement (and pulling people
away from systems like postgresql).
We don't have to use that language in the slogan at all necessarily --
for instance, Greg Stark suggested "Liberate Your Data!"
Regards,
Jeff Davis
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 21:32 +0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> Why would this be considered a good thing? Data wants to
> be secure, not liberated.
"Secure" has two potential meanings when it comes to data:
1. Hidden from those who shouldn't see it.
2. Protected from loss or corruption.
Clearly, data should be secure in the second sense, but that does not
conflict in any way with "liberation". Do you really think people will
interpret "liberate" as "the system will post your data to a mailing
list"?
I imagine liberty as the flexibility to transform, transmit, integrate,
and interpret your data using as many tools and interfaces as you can
imagine. Our flexible type system and powerful PL support allow that,
and you can use as many ACLs as you want to secure it in the first
sense.
Regards,
Jeff Davis
How about something like:
Non-stop used to be a registered trademark of TANDEM but I haven’t heard from them in years so I don’t expect there to be a conflict.
By the way, our corporate positioning statement is:
This ties in with the freedom and flexibility that comes from rapid application development with once:radix. I think the ‘liberate’ positioning of PostgreSQL is a bit close to home for me.
Regards
Rob Napier
Non-stop data integrity.
or
Non-stop data security.
or
Non-stop elephant enclosures?
... well, you get the idea ...
Non-stop used to be a registered trademark of TANDEM but I haven’t heard from them in years so I don’t expect there to be a conflict.
By the way, our corporate positioning statement is:
Liberating ideas.
This ties in with the freedom and flexibility that comes from rapid application development with once:radix. I think the ‘liberate’ positioning of PostgreSQL is a bit close to home for me.
Regards
Rob Napier
It's late. Like, really late. Please forgive me. :)
PostgreSQL: It's ACID!
PostgreSQL: You are in control.
PostgreSQL: Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes?
PostgreSQL: Time for Postgres.
PostgreSQL: Słoń nigdy nie zapomina / Ein Gedaechtnis wie ein Elefant
/ Avoir une mémoire d'éléphant [...]
(alternating elephantine memory related phrases in as many languages
as possible)
PostgresSQL: Avant-garde of Databases.
Best regards,
Dawid
PS: Oh, and I like the current slogan. Personally I don't think any of
ones I've seen here is better than the current one... They are nice
co-slogan, but the most advanced open source database just sums
it all so nicely...
On 1/27/10 5:07 PM, Dawid Kuroczko wrote: > PostgreSQL: Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Hah! +1 --Josh Berkus
Sorry my bad english, but this is my idea "PostgreSQL : the freedom power" or "PostgreSQL : just be free"
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing >> the meaning. > > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds > that way. http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php The Professional Database Solution It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd get there. -- dim Each time I'm asked to give an overly brief comparision between MySQL and PostgreSQL, I begin with the punch line: well, with MySQL you get problems, with PostgreSQL, solutions.
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with > >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but > >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing > >> the meaning. > > > > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's > > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more > > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably > > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds > > that way. > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php > > The Professional Database Solution > > It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd > get there.' The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> wrote: > A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data > liberated. Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their control. But they certainly want their data to be free from technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it. Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions. -- greg
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > > > > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > > >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with > > >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but > > >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing > > >> the meaning. > > > > > > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's > > > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more > > > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably > > > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds > > > that way. > > > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php > > > > The Professional Database Solution > > > > It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd > > get there.' > > > The Professionals Database The interesting issue with this suggestion is the fact that we are open source is only _one_ of our strengths, and I think that will increasingly become true: http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2010.html#January_28_2010_2 -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: >> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing >>>> the meaning. >>> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more >>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably >>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds >>> that way. >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php >> >> The Professional Database Solution >> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd >> get there.' > > > The Professionals Database I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level required to use ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > >> > >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with > >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but > >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing > >>>> the meaning. > >>> > >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's > >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more > >>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably > >>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds > >>> that way. > >> > >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php > >> > >> The Professional Database Solution > >> > >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd > >> get there.' > > > > > > The Professionals Database > > I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level > required to use ... Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 18:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: >> >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: >> >> >> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: >> >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with >> >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but >> >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing >> >>>> the meaning. >> >>> >> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's >> >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more >> >>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably >> >>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds >> >>> that way. >> >> >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php >> >> >> >> The Professional Database Solution >> >> >> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd >> >> get there.' >> > >> > >> > The Professionals Database >> >> I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level >> required to use ... > > Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too. One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us calling ourselves the most advanced one. What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
PostgreSQL: The Obvious Choice PostgreSQL: What the Hell Else Would You Use? Or, to boil the sentiment right down: PostgreSQL: Duh Seriously though, I do think "Liberate Your Data", while reflecting an admirable ideal would probably strike terror into the hearts of a lot of suits. On 29 January 2010 04:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too. That one's not bad but I'm not sure it's overwhelmingly better than the existing slogan. Cheers, BJ
Loads of suggestions: PostgreSQL: It's really quite good PostgreSQL: Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of goat. PostgreSQL: We won't be bought out PostgreSQL: Free forever PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby Postgres: Who stole my QL?
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:59 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this
> is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like
> us calling ourselves the most advanced one.
>
> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying
> we're the professional one - implicating they're not....
Right now, our slogan compares us directly to other open source database
systems, and that's nearly a direct shot at MySQL. If we compare
ourselves to all database systems, it's not nearly as bad.
Regards,
Jeff Davis
> Postgres: Who stole my QL? I burst out laughing at this one.
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:08 +0000, Hywel Mallett wrote: > Postgres: Who stole my QL? :-) -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE Command Prompt - http://www.CommandPrompt.com devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz
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On 28/01/10 16:08, Jeff Davis wrote: > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 18:59 +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this >> is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like >> us calling ourselves the most advanced one. >> >> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying >> we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... >> > Right now, our slogan compares us directly to other open source database > systems, and that's nearly a direct shot at MySQL. If we compare > ourselves to all database systems, it's not nearly as bad. > > Regards, > Jeff Davis > I like the old mozilla approach of "Reclaim your inbox" as a thunderbird slogan. I think that we could use something similar like: PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database. PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data. PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go. I think it synthesizes the notion of being in control of data and having a flexible development plataform, something that was previously mentioned in this thread. -- Diogo Biazus diogob@gmail.com http://www.softa.com.br http://www.postgresql.org.br
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:49:23PM +0000, Greg Stark wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> wrote: > > A lot of companies (and individuals, too) don't want to see their data > > liberated. > > Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their > control. But they certainly want their data to be free from > technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it. > Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that > distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that > people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because > they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions. Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the community might have feelings about that... - Josh / eggyknap
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2010/1/29 Diogo Biazus <diogob@gmail.com>: > PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database. > PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data. > PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go. PostgreSQL - because your data is worth it PostgreSQL - your data deserves it Cheers, Andrej -- Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes concise. http://www.american.edu/econ/notes/htmlmail.htm
On 01/28/2010 12:20 PM, Joshua Tolley wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 04:49:23PM +0000, Greg Stark wrote: >> Well they don't necessarily want to see it liberated from their >> control. But they certainly want their data to be free from >> technological limitations which prevent them from exploiting it. >> Obviously the slogan I proposed unseriously doesn't get to that >> distinction but perhaps there's some way to exploit that feeling that >> people have tons of data and its stuck in an impotent form because >> they lack the tools to free it from these restrictions. > > Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the Maybe: PostgreSQL: It Simply Works Joe
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is > that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us > calling ourselves the most advanced one. > > What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying > we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... Why do we care? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is >> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us >> calling ourselves the most advanced one. >> >> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying >> we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... > > Why do we care? If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a reason to change, and then not a reason to change... (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now) -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: >> >>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is >>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us >>> calling ourselves the most advanced one. >>> >>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying >>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... >> >> Why do we care? > > If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a > reason to change, and then not a reason to change... > > (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now) I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is, I think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for something new to 'spice things up' a bit ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:53 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >> > >>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is > >>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us > >>> calling ourselves the most advanced one. > >>> > >>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying > >>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... > >> > >> Why do we care? > > > > If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a > > reason to change, and then not a reason to change... > > > > (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now) > > I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is, > I think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for > something new to 'spice things up' a bit ... Our slogan represents our impression to others. Personally I have no problem telling everyone that I use the Professionals database (or some such thing). I don't care that it implies that other databases may not be. Others in our community (and I am not saying they are wrong) feel we should get along. Both perspectives are valid, it just depends on how we want to get there. I am more aggressive than most. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Our slogan represents our impression to others. Personally I have no > problem telling everyone that I use the Professionals database (or some > such thing). I don't care that it implies that other databases may not > be. +1 > Others in our community (and I am not saying they are wrong) feel we > should get along. -1 > Both perspectives are valid, it just depends on how we want to get > there. I am more aggressive than most. +1 +1 -1 +1 == +1 ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy@hub.org
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: >> If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a >> reason to change, and then not a reason to change... >> >> (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now) > > I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is, I > think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for > something new to 'spice things up' a bit ... The other reason to remove the work 'advanced' was to connotation with 'complicated'. Which is suggested is a turn-off more some of the emerging development trends. -- Regards, Richard Broersma Jr. Visit the Los Angeles PostgreSQL Users Group (LAPUG) http://pugs.postgresql.org/lapug
Joshua Tolley wrote: > Perhaps we should say "Your data unfettered"... but I imagine some of the > community might have feelings about that... > Isn't there already too much PostgreSQL data that's David Fettered for that to be true? -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.com
On Fri, January 29, 2010 08:30, Diogo Biazus wrote: > I like the old mozilla approach of "Reclaim your inbox" as a thunderbird > slogan. > I think that we could use something similar like: > PostgreSQL: Reclaim your database. > PostgreSQL: Regain control of your data. > PostgreSQL: Take your data wherever you want to go. > > I think it synthesizes the notion of being in control of data and having > a flexible development plataform, something that was previously > mentioned in this thread. This seems a particularly good angle, given that I can't be the only person looking at Sunacle and being concerned that I don't want my choice of database to be used as leverage to dictate my choice of server, SAN, operating system, and app server.
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > > On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > >> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with > >> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but > >> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing > >> the meaning. > > > > You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's > > tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more > > recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably > > not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds > > that way. > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php > > The Professional Database Solution > > It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd > get there.' The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Hywel Mallett wrote:
> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
I think the slogan should be
"PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>: > Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? > I think the slogan should be > > "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :} Cheers, Andrej -- Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes concise. http://www.american.edu/econ/notes/htmlmail.htm
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hywel Mallett wrote: > > > PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby > > Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? > I think the slogan should be > > "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" Uh, no. Joshua D. Drake > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
Andrej escribió: > 2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>: > > Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? > > I think the slogan should be > > > > "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" > > Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :} Well, that was kind of *the point* :-D (Yes, it was a joke. Perhaps I didn't take this thread with all the seriousness it merits.) BTW sorry if I offended sensibilities. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:53 -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 22:41, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >> > >>> One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this is > >>> that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like us > >>> calling ourselves the most advanced one. > >>> > >>> What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying > >>> we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... > >> > >> Why do we care? > > > > If we don't, then that's not a reason to change. It can't both be a > > reason to change, and then not a reason to change... > > > > (FWIW, I think it's not a reason to change away from what we have now) > > I didn't realize that it was the original reason to change, but if it is, > I think its a pretty lame reason ... I thought we were just looking for > something new to 'spice things up' a bit ... Our slogan represents our impression to others. Personally I have no problem telling everyone that I use the Professionals database (or some such thing). I don't care that it implies that other databases may not be. Others in our community (and I am not saying they are wrong) feel we should get along. Both perspectives are valid, it just depends on how we want to get there. I am more aggressive than most. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hywel Mallett wrote: > > > PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby > > Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? > I think the slogan should be > > "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" Uh, no. Joshua D. Drake > > -- > Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
2010/1/28 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 18:34, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>> >>> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 14:59 +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: >>> >> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: >>> >> >>> >>> On ons, 2010-01-27 at 11:45 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: >>> >>>> Many suggestions in this thread use "Database" interchangeably with >>> >>>> "Database Management System". The latter is a little verbose, but >>> >>>> "Database System" should be concise enough for a slogan without losing >>> >>>> the meaning. >>> >>> >>> >>> You are completely right that "PostgreSQL" is not a "database", but it's >>> >>> tempting to use it in a slogan because it's shorter and more >>> >>> recognizable. But "database system" is also not correct, and arguably >>> >>> not as short and recognizable. So you'd get the worst of both worlds >>> >>> that way. >>> >> >>> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2010-01/msg00053.php >>> >> >>> >> The Professional Database Solution >>> >> >>> >> It's missing something yet, but hopefully with some contribution we'd >>> >> get there.' >>> > >>> > >>> > The Professionals Database >>> >>> I like the first one better .. yours implies a certain knowledge level >>> required to use ... >> >> Yea, I like "The Professional Database Solution" too. > > One of the original reasons put forward for us needing to change this > is that other opensource databases are also advanced, and may not like > us calling ourselves the most advanced one. > > What do you think they'll say if we differentiate ourselves by saying > we're the professional one - implicating they're not.... Postgres SQL Database :-D > > -- > Magnus Hagander > Me: http://www.hagander.net/ > Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy > -- Cédric Villemain
So we have:
The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver
The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver
Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera
Because your data is worth it Andrej
Your data deserves it Andrej
The Obvious Choice Brendan Jurd
What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd
SQL Database Cédric Villemain
The Open Database Dawid Kuroczko
Feel Free Dawid Kuroczko
Your Data is Important Dawid Kuroczko
Meet the Future Dawid Kuroczko
It's ACID! Dawid Kuroczko
You are in control Dawid Kuroczko
Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Dawid Kuroczko
Time for Postgres Dawid Kuroczko
Avant-garde of Databases Dawid Kuroczko
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
Reclaim your database Diogo Biazus
Regain control of your data Diogo Biazus
Take your data wherever you want to go Diogo Biazus
The Open Stable Solution Emanuel Calvo Franco
Be open and leave everything else! Emanuel Calvo Franco
The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
The freedom power Ernesto Quiñones
Just be free Ernesto Quiñones
Open-Source Database Gabriele Bartolini
Your SQL Gabriele Bartolini
Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities Greg Smith
Liberate Your Data! Greg Stark
It's really quite good Hywel Mallett
Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of goat. Hywel Mallett
We won't be bought out Hywel Mallett
Free forever Hywel Mallett
Now with Hot Standby Hywel Mallett
Powerful Freedom Joe Conway
It Simply Works Joe Conway
The world's open source database Joshua D. Drake
The Open Source Database Joshua D. Drake
The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake
Security, Power, and High Performance Joshua Kramer
Yours Open Source Database Michael Alan Brewer
Start here. Get there. Mike Ellsworth
If your Data is Important Mike Ellsworth
Open Source Power and Reliability Oliver Kohll
Power with Integrity Oliver Kohll
It just works Rafael Martinez
Works for you Rafael Martinez
Will not let you down Rafael Martinez
Looks after your data Rafael Martinez
Your SQL database Rafael Martinez
Your next database Rafael Martinez
The most reliable open source database Raymond O'Donnell
The 'Open' Open Source Database Richard Broersma
Non-stop data integrity Rob Napier
Non-stop data security Rob Napier
Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Rodger Donaldson
Enjoy your database again Scott Bailey
The database you'll love Scott Bailey
Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey
Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.
Thom
The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver
The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver
Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera
Because your data is worth it Andrej
Your data deserves it Andrej
The Obvious Choice Brendan Jurd
What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd
SQL Database Cédric Villemain
The Open Database Dawid Kuroczko
Feel Free Dawid Kuroczko
Your Data is Important Dawid Kuroczko
Meet the Future Dawid Kuroczko
It's ACID! Dawid Kuroczko
You are in control Dawid Kuroczko
Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Dawid Kuroczko
Time for Postgres Dawid Kuroczko
Avant-garde of Databases Dawid Kuroczko
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
Reclaim your database Diogo Biazus
Regain control of your data Diogo Biazus
Take your data wherever you want to go Diogo Biazus
The Open Stable Solution Emanuel Calvo Franco
Be open and leave everything else! Emanuel Calvo Franco
The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
The freedom power Ernesto Quiñones
Just be free Ernesto Quiñones
Open-Source Database Gabriele Bartolini
Your SQL Gabriele Bartolini
Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities Greg Smith
Liberate Your Data! Greg Stark
It's really quite good Hywel Mallett
Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of goat. Hywel Mallett
We won't be bought out Hywel Mallett
Free forever Hywel Mallett
Now with Hot Standby Hywel Mallett
Powerful Freedom Joe Conway
It Simply Works Joe Conway
The world's open source database Joshua D. Drake
The Open Source Database Joshua D. Drake
The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake
Security, Power, and High Performance Joshua Kramer
Yours Open Source Database Michael Alan Brewer
Start here. Get there. Mike Ellsworth
If your Data is Important Mike Ellsworth
Open Source Power and Reliability Oliver Kohll
Power with Integrity Oliver Kohll
It just works Rafael Martinez
Works for you Rafael Martinez
Will not let you down Rafael Martinez
Looks after your data Rafael Martinez
Your SQL database Rafael Martinez
Your next database Rafael Martinez
The most reliable open source database Raymond O'Donnell
The 'Open' Open Source Database Richard Broersma
Non-stop data integrity Rob Napier
Non-stop data security Rob Napier
Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Rodger Donaldson
Enjoy your database again Scott Bailey
The database you'll love Scott Bailey
Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey
Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.
Thom
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Thom Brown <thombrown@gmail.com> wrote: > So we have: > ... > Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one. Nor I. Except possibly: > What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd :-p -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Wow, great list. I had already created a trimmed-down, categorized list
on my blog:
http://momjian.us/main/blogs/pgblog/2010.html#January_29_2010
If we want to choose a couple to cycle through, we can pick the best
from each category.
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Thom Brown wrote:
> So we have:
>
> The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver
> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
> Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver
> Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera
> Because your data is worth it Andrej
> Your data deserves it Andrej
> The Obvious Choice Brendan Jurd
> What the Hell Else Would You Use? Brendan Jurd
> SQL Database C?dric Villemain
> The Open Database Dawid Kuroczko
> Feel Free Dawid Kuroczko
> Your Data is Important Dawid Kuroczko
> Meet the Future Dawid Kuroczko
> It's ACID! Dawid Kuroczko
> You are in control Dawid Kuroczko
> Do Elephants Dream of Generalized Inverted Indexes? Dawid Kuroczko
> Time for Postgres Dawid Kuroczko
> Avant-garde of Databases Dawid Kuroczko
> The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
> The Professional Database Solution Dimitri Fontaine
> Reclaim your database Diogo Biazus
> Regain control of your data Diogo Biazus
> Take your data wherever you want to go Diogo Biazus
> The Open Stable Solution Emanuel Calvo Franco
> Be open and leave everything else! Emanuel Calvo Franco
> The Open Source Elephant Memory Erik Rijkers
> The freedom power Ernesto Qui?ones
> Just be free Ernesto Qui?ones
> Open-Source Database Gabriele Bartolini
> Your SQL Gabriele Bartolini
> Open-Source Database, Open-Ended Possibilities Greg Smith
> Liberate Your Data! Greg Stark
> It's really quite good Hywel Mallett
> Possibly the only database with a replication solution named after a type of
> goat. Hywel Mallett
> We won't be bought out Hywel Mallett
> Free forever Hywel Mallett
> Now with Hot Standby Hywel Mallett
> Powerful Freedom Joe Conway
> It Simply Works Joe Conway
> The world's open source database Joshua D. Drake
> The Open Source Database Joshua D. Drake
> The Professionals Database Joshua D. Drake
> Security, Power, and High Performance Joshua Kramer
> Yours Open Source Database Michael Alan Brewer
> Start here. Get there. Mike Ellsworth
> If your Data is Important Mike Ellsworth
> Open Source Power and Reliability Oliver Kohll
> Power with Integrity Oliver Kohll
> It just works Rafael Martinez
> Works for you Rafael Martinez
> Will not let you down Rafael Martinez
> Looks after your data Rafael Martinez
> Your SQL database Rafael Martinez
> Your next database Rafael Martinez
> The most reliable open source database Raymond O'Donnell
> The 'Open' Open Source Database Richard Broersma
> Non-stop data integrity Rob Napier
> Non-stop data security Rob Napier
> Your Data: Any time, Any Place. Rodger Donaldson
> Enjoy your database again Scott Bailey
> The database you'll love Scott Bailey
> Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey
>
> Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one.
>
> Thom
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I like: > The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver -- greg
Ernesto Quiñones napsal(a): > Sorry my bad english, but this is my idea > > "PostgreSQL : the freedom power" > I'd like this if it was written as "PostgreSQL: The power of freedom" Anyway I might just as well try some of my own: PostgreSQL: Home for your data PostgreSQL: Keeping your data safe And since people who would read the slogan usually already know PostgreSQL is a database, maybe something little different: PostgreSQL: Welcome to the comunity -- Regards Petr Jelinek (PJMODOS)
2010/1/29 Petr Jelinek <pjmodos@pjmodos.net>: > Ernesto Quiñones napsal(a): >> >> Sorry my bad english, but this is my idea >> >> "PostgreSQL : the freedom power" +1 >> > > I'd like this if it was written as "PostgreSQL: The power of freedom" > > Anyway I might just as well try some of my own: > PostgreSQL: Home for your data > PostgreSQL: Keeping your data safe > > And since people who would read the slogan usually already know PostgreSQL > is a database, maybe something little different: > PostgreSQL: Welcome to the comunity > +1 Pavel > -- > Regards > Petr Jelinek (PJMODOS) > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy >
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On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Thom Brown wrote: > So we have: > > .... > Setting the standard for following the standard Scott Bailey > > Personally, I still don't prefer any of these slogans over the existing one. > What about extending the existing one: The world's most advanced open source database. Now with replication. It's compatible with the existing slogan and emphasizes one of the major new features of 9.0 -- Alexey Klyukin http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> Hywel Mallett wrote: >> >>> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby >> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? >> I think the slogan should be >> >> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" > > Uh, no. > > Joshua D. Drake > LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet. Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON. We have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with the girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not. Scott
On 29 January 2010 17:16, Scott Bailey <artacus@comcast.net> wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:Hywel Mallett wrote:PostgreSQL: Now with Hot StandbyWasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
I think the slogan should be
"PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
Uh, no.
Joshua D. Drake
LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet.
Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON. We have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with the girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not.
Hey, cater for all sexualities!
Thom
Greg Stark wrote: > I like: > > >> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver >> "Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of floppy disks during the early 80's: http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ One of the ads they used to run: http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ems-mag-ad-2-small.jpg could almost be a PostgreSQL one if you just replace "ANSI" for "SQL Standard". -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.com
On 01/29/2010 09:26 AM, Greg Smith wrote: > Greg Stark wrote: >> I like: >> >>> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver > "Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of > floppy disks during the early 80's: > http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ > My suggestion was not exactly original. It is the phrase that prompted the use of an elephant as the project mascot. I suggested it as both a slogan and an explanation of the mascot for those who are not familiar with the reference. > One of the ads they used to run: > http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/ems-mag-ad-2-small.jpg could > almost be a PostgreSQL one if you just replace "ANSI" for "SQL Standard". > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@gmail.com
Scott Bailey wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 00:34 -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Hywel Mallett wrote:
> >>
> >>> PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Standby
> >> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term?
> >> I think the slogan should be
> >>
> >> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves"
> >
> > Uh, no.
> >
> > Joshua D. Drake
> >
>
> LOL. Alvaro, that's the funniest one yet.
>
> Ah, come on Joshua. Just think how packed your booth will be at OSCON.
> We have some babes in leather handcuffed to a pole... and the pens with
> the girls that strip when you turn them upside down. Ok, probably not.
Can I suggest this themed video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkVzQ1dJ7I8
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PostgreSQL: Join Us
On 1/28/10 7:53 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Andrej escribió: >> 2010/1/29 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>: >>> Wasn't there a thread suggesting that "hot standby" was the wrong term? >>> I think the slogan should be >>> >>> "PostgreSQL: Now with Hot Slaves" >> Now *that* raises all sorts of weird connotations I'm afraid :} > > Well, that was kind of *the point* :-D (Yes, it was a joke. Perhaps I > didn't take this thread with all the seriousness it merits.) > BTW sorry if I offended sensibilities. Since this thread has been *so* serious up until now. --Josh Berkus
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
-- Greg Stark wrote:"Never Forgets" was the slogan for Elephant Memory Systems, a maker of floppy disks during the early 80's: http://home.comcast.net/~kevin_d_clark/ems/I like:The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver
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Gabriele Bartolini wrote: > I am reporting this suggestion: > > PostgreSQL: Your SQL > > or > > PostgreSQL: YourSQL > > (Don't blame me, I am just reporting) I am reporting this suggestion, too: YourSQL: The best substitute of mySQL, MS SQL Server, and Oracle ------- Don't blame me! I am just reporting. A friend of mine has been using PostgreSQL for 10 or so years. He feels the brand name "PostgreSQL" might also be considered to be changed as inspired by Gabriele and encouraged by Josh Berkus' viewpoint: "I'll disagree with Rob that there's any issue with our logo, and the branding on the name is too entrenched to change." He is not a English speaker. He never pronounced "PostgreSQL" correctly. Every time he mentioned the name "PostgreSQL" to people, their responses are always "What? Please say again!" I understand my friend's frustration considering he encounters this trouble when making long distance phone calls. Every time he says "MySQL is only for database amateurs" to people, those people immediately get his point by saying: "Yeah! I remember that name. My 6-year-old kid, who uses mouse to play games in Windowz, also pronounces mySQL correctly." My friend firmly believes that mySQL's success in terms of market share attributes only two facts: (1) its good brand name, which is easy to pronounce and remember (2) its early adoption of Windowz What he can't understand is why such a technology-leading DBMS, PostgreSQL, chooses to use the name so difficult to pronounce, to remember, and so error prone to be typed in search engines' prompts. I am frustrated, too, for failing to provide a good answer to my friend's question. CN Liou -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web
2010/1/29 Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>: >> The Database for Restful Nights Adrian Klaver >> The Elephant Never Forgets Adrian Klaver >> Stability,Extendability,Community Adrian Klaver >> Now with Hot Slaves Alvaro Herrera I really like the suggestions by Adrian Klaver, particularly "The Elephant Never Forgets". In the spirit of Alvaro Herrera suggestion I would like to put forward: PostgreSQL: Now with HOT, hot slaves... and TOAST! -- Rob Wultsch wultsch@gmail.com
PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Professional Extensibility. Open Community. Zach Conrad
Or perhaps it should be: PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community. ----- "Zach Conrad" <zach.conrad@digitecinc.com> wrote: > PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Professional Extensibility. Open > Community. > > Zach Conrad
Zach Conrad wrote:
> Or perhaps it should be:
> PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community.
I just received an anonymous submission:
Open and Free - The Only Way To Be
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Hi there, I resisted too long to this funny thread. Here's my contribution. Some not-that-serious proposals : PostgreSQL : Your databases belongs to ... you! PostgreSQL : This one is free, unless you really don't want to. PostgreSQL : The database under ACID PostgreSQL : (Both the) worst name and the best database, ever. PostgreSQL : If you care for you data only PostgreSQL : Community driven database. Except gotchas. PostgreSQL : Let others think it works because you're a good DBA PostgreSQL : I swear it was working yesterday PostgreSQL : No downtime, except when I do badly minded rm's PostgreSQL : No need to benchmark it with others PostgreSQL : We bring toasts Ok. Let's do some more serious proposals I like the idea where PostgreSQL fits every RDBMS needs: PostgreSQL : One fits all. From small to world business companies. PostgreSQL : Grows with your business PostgreSQL : You'll try it for costs. You'll keep it for the rest. ... and the idea it is rock solid PostgreSQL : Rock solid database PostgreSQL : 24/7 database PostgreSQL : Doesn't loose a single byte ... or the idea the community is the most important side of the project PostgreSQL : When community meets business PostgreSQL : Community works PostgreSQL : The more brains, the better code PostgreSQL : Community driven database PostgreSQL : Every one's database. Those are some cents of ideas. I think lots of those proposal meets other ones. Thats a good point, we share the same ideas on PostgreSQL. Cheers, -- Jean-Paul Argudo www.PostgreSQLFr.org www.Dalibo.com
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote:
> Or perhaps it should be:
> PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community.
+1
Jeff Davis
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 09:47 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote: > > Or perhaps it should be: > > PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community. > > +1 > PostgreSQL: P.O.P. :P > Jeff Davis > > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On mån, 2010-01-25 at 11:30 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > Given the above, I'd like to start this thread asking for suggestions > for a new project slogan. When we have 4-5 solid ideas, we can put it > to a vote on a survey site somewhere. Given that we have about 100 suggestions now and this mailing list thread is surely not going to resolve the matter, I went ahead and imported the suggestions so far into a voting system. Perhaps this will give us some idea about the direction people want to go. Knock yourself out: http://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/39779-new-slogan
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 09:52:18AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 09:47 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote: > > > Or perhaps it should be: > > > PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional > > > Community. > > > > +1 > > > > PostgreSQL: P.O.P. You down with O.P.P.? Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 09:47 -0800, Jeff Davis wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote: > > Or perhaps it should be: > > PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community. > > +1 > PostgreSQL: P.O.P. :P > Jeff Davis > > -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 17:14, Jean-Paul Argudo
<jean-paul@postgresqlfr.org> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I resisted too long to this funny thread. Here's my contribution.
> Some not-that-serious proposals :
We're not exactly there yet, but: :-D
PotsgreSQL: The world's most advanced and most popular open source database.
Best regards,
Dawid
2010/2/1 Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>:
> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote:
>> Or perhaps it should be:
>> PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional Community.
>
I think Community must be the key in the slogan.
What about:
Postgresql: The community behind the Database
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On 2/2/10, Emanuel Calvo Franco <postgres.arg@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/2/1 Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>: >> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 08:38 -0600, Zach Conrad wrote: >>> Or perhaps it should be: >>> PostgreSQL: Proven Reliability. Open Extensibility. Professional >>> Community. >> > > I think Community must be the key in the slogan. > > What about: > > Postgresql: The community behind the Database > > i doubt most business users care about the community. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
I think Zach is on the right track. I was thinking, even simpler: PostgreSQL: Reliable. Advanced. Open. Free. Although "Open" could also be "Professional", "Compliant" (SQL 99), "Adaptive", "Flexible". Too bad there isn't a single word for "you-don't-need-a-PO-and-a-dozen-forms-from-the-deniers-of-IT-and-6-months-to-install-and-use-it".
IMHO
Even though I seem to have been an accidental catalyst for this discussion, I think it is time to offer some general comments about branding. I'll try to keep it short.
Branding 101:
'Corporate Identity' (the new hip term is 'Branding' but in my view it means basically the same thing) is what organisations DO in an attempt to establish HOW they want to be viewed by their target market, the wider community, their competitors, legislators, etc. – their 'Corporate Image'.
There are several elements that can influence your Corporate Image: name, logo, colours, typography, quality of marketing (brochures, website, advertising, merchandising, etc.) and product, dress, bearing and individual behaviour of people in this and other forums.
The corporate identity programme aims to systematize these elements. But it all begins with understanding your marketing objectives and how your branding will support those objectives.
So firstly, we should codify our marketing objectives. Then, and only then, should we be talking about branding.
Some would say that the marketing objectives are understood and agreed to. I seriously question that. And I think it is reflected in the discussions on this forum. It is inevitable that such a large and diverse group will have different views. But there should always be a common direction. I don’t see that, beyond the fact that we all love PostgreSQL (the product, not the name!); we would like it to be recognised as one of the world’s best RDBMS applications – commercial and open source; we would like it to be accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible for everyone (advanced but easy to use.
What did I overlook?
I would never support ANY change to the Corporate Identity until I understood EXACTLY what the marketing objectives are. Right now, I think the tail is wagging the dog. Isn’t this how we ended up with a suspect name, a funny-looking icon that denotes big and slow to me and a wordy slogan that throws out the wrong message to some of our target market.
Regards
Rob Napier
Even though I seem to have been an accidental catalyst for this discussion, I think it is time to offer some general comments about branding. I'll try to keep it short.
Branding 101:
'Corporate Identity' (the new hip term is 'Branding' but in my view it means basically the same thing) is what organisations DO in an attempt to establish HOW they want to be viewed by their target market, the wider community, their competitors, legislators, etc. – their 'Corporate Image'.
There are several elements that can influence your Corporate Image: name, logo, colours, typography, quality of marketing (brochures, website, advertising, merchandising, etc.) and product, dress, bearing and individual behaviour of people in this and other forums.
The corporate identity programme aims to systematize these elements. But it all begins with understanding your marketing objectives and how your branding will support those objectives.
So firstly, we should codify our marketing objectives. Then, and only then, should we be talking about branding.
Some would say that the marketing objectives are understood and agreed to. I seriously question that. And I think it is reflected in the discussions on this forum. It is inevitable that such a large and diverse group will have different views. But there should always be a common direction. I don’t see that, beyond the fact that we all love PostgreSQL (the product, not the name!); we would like it to be recognised as one of the world’s best RDBMS applications – commercial and open source; we would like it to be accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible for everyone (advanced but easy to use.
What did I overlook?
I would never support ANY change to the Corporate Identity until I understood EXACTLY what the marketing objectives are. Right now, I think the tail is wagging the dog. Isn’t this how we ended up with a suspect name, a funny-looking icon that denotes big and slow to me and a wordy slogan that throws out the wrong message to some of our target market.
Regards
Rob Napier
On 2/2/10 3:42 PM, Rob Napier wrote: > we would like it to be recognised as one of the world’s best RDBMS > applications – commercial and open source; we would like it to be > accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues > that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible > for everyone (advanced but easy to use). Hmmm. Here's what I'd like people to think about us as a concept list: * community-owned * approachable * hackable & extensible (the database you can customize) * secure * high-performance * advanced features * international * standards-compliant --Josh Berkus
Josh If that is the way you wish to be viewed, don't change a thing. E.g. I mentioned the importance of language. 'Extensible' is good, 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. Community-owned. Nice but it should be near the bottom of the list. It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. Not just a bit hokey, it also can suggest undisciplined, under funded, and a few other prejoratives that come to mind. BUT when linked to approachable: That can be a good thing. Mozilla is community owned but they are particularly careful about the way their image is developed. AND international: That implies strength, stability and accessibility. The rest of your list is about the product. The technology needs to be presented in more marketing terms. I hope this is making some sense. On 3/2/10 10:48 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > On 2/2/10 3:42 PM, Rob Napier wrote: >> we would like it to be recognised as one of the world¹s best RDBMS >> applications commercial and open source; we would like it to be >> accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues >> that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible >> for everyone (advanced but easy to use). > > Hmmm. Here's what I'd like people to think about us as a concept list: > > * community-owned > * approachable > * hackable & extensible (the database you can customize) > * secure > * high-performance > * advanced features > * international > * standards-compliant > > --Josh Berkus > Regards Rob Napier
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote:
I don’t see that, beyond the fact that we all love PostgreSQL (the product, not the name!); we would like it to be recognised as one of the world’s best RDBMS applications – commercial and open source; we would like it to be accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible for everyone (advanced but easy to use.
I think what people think about PostgreSQL is a way to the objectives but I think the objective is:
To be the best database bar none.
This is why we're proud to be "The world's most advanced open source database."
From this object flow some principles. I write we below in the royal sense because I don't contribute code or anything. I just evangelize, quietly.
1. We have a good idea how databases should work we are working to evolve PostgreSQL closer to that ideal.
2. We want as many good contributions to the project as possible.
Breaking those points down again yields:
1.1. We are not going to add cross db joins, index hints, etc.
1.2. We are going to add X, Y, Z features.
2.1. We want as many good contributors as possible.
2.1.1. We want to be as popular and useful as possible for the kind of people who would contribute.
2.1.1.1. We want to be as popular as possible because that would expose potential hackers to PosrgreSQL.
2.1.1.1.1. We want people to think X, Y, Z when they think PostgreSQL.
....
I know thats all kind of semantic but it puts things into perspective. For example a slogan that alienates hackers would probably not be good. I can't really help with that though.
While I'm writing who normally choses the database in an organization or for a project? Where I've been its always been one of the first senior developers. After the choice your pretty much stuck with it. The suits don't really care so long as it doesn't cost too much money and the license doesn't prevent them from doing what they want to do. PostgreSQL is golden on both those counts.
Nik
Brilliantly crafted Nik! You should be in marketing.
You’ve discussed product positioning, price and who are the decision makers.
This is exactly where I’d like to see this conversation go.
Just imagine: A coherent and comprehensive marketing strategy.
On 3/2/10 11:47 AM, "Nikolas Everett" <nik9000@gmail.com> wrote:
Regards
Rob Napier
You’ve discussed product positioning, price and who are the decision makers.
This is exactly where I’d like to see this conversation go.
Just imagine: A coherent and comprehensive marketing strategy.
On 3/2/10 11:47 AM, "Nikolas Everett" <nik9000@gmail.com> wrote:
I think what people think about PostgreSQL is a way to the objectives but I think the objective is:
To be the best database bar none.
This is why we're proud to be "The world's most advanced open source database."
From this object flow some principles. I write we below in the royal sense because I don't contribute code or anything. I just evangelize, quietly.
1. We have a good idea how databases should work we are working to evolve PostgreSQL closer to that ideal.
2. We want as many good contributions to the project as possible.
Breaking those points down again yields:
1.1. We are not going to add cross db joins, index hints, etc.
1.2. We are going to add X, Y, Z features.
2.1. We want as many good contributors as possible.
2.1.1. We want to be as popular and useful as possible for the kind of people who would contribute.
2.1.1.1. We want to be as popular as possible because that would expose potential hackers to PosrgreSQL.
2.1.1.1.1. We want people to think X, Y, Z when they think PostgreSQL.
....
I know thats all kind of semantic but it puts things into perspective. For example a slogan that alienates hackers would probably not be good. I can't really help with that though.
While I'm writing who normally choses the database in an organization or for a project? Where I've been its always been one of the first senior developers. After the choice your pretty much stuck with it. The suits don't really care so long as it doesn't cost too much money and the license doesn't prevent them from doing what they want to do. PostgreSQL is golden on both those counts.
Nik
Regards
Rob Napier
On Tuesday 02 February 2010 4:30:44 pm Rob Napier wrote: > Josh > > If that is the way you wish to be viewed, don't change a thing. > > E.g. I mentioned the importance of language. 'Extensible' is good, > 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. > > Community-owned. Nice but it should be near the bottom of the list. It also > has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. Not just a bit hokey, it > also can suggest undisciplined, under funded, and a few other prejoratives > that come to mind. > > BUT when linked to approachable: That can be a good thing. Mozilla is > community owned but they are particularly careful about the way their image > is developed. > > AND international: That implies strength, stability and accessibility. > > The rest of your list is about the product. The technology needs to be > presented in more marketing terms. I guess it comes down to who we are 'selling' to. My sense is it is not the ultimate user but the intermediary, in other words the techie. For instance, do your customers for Once:radix participate in the Postgres community or do they rely on you to do that? For them Postgres is at the bottom of stack that goes Web browser --> Tomcat/Java --> Postgres. From what I have seen a lot of the larger business use cases are in that situation. There is a middle layer of personnel that deal with the app/db and then present it to the purchaser in a manner they understand. The Postgres community should be reaching that middle layer in manner they understand, technical points. The business marketing should be left to those who appreciate it, the folks further up the food chain. > > I hope this is making some sense. > > > Regards > > Rob Napier -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@gmail.com
On ons, 2010-02-03 at 10:42 +1100, Rob Napier wrote:
> So firstly, we should codify our marketing objectives. Then, and only
> then, should we be talking about branding.
Well, ordinarily you would expect a commercial development organization
to function something like this:
--> Branding ---> Sales
/
Marketing --
\
--> Requirements engineering ---> Programming
But the PostgreSQL world operates more like this:
-- FUD <--- Random users <........................
/ .
Advocacy <-- .
\ .
-- Release notes scramble <--- Random hacking <...
Which is why from a traditional marketing perspective, nothing we do
makes a lot of sense. ;-)
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:30:44AM +1100, Rob Napier wrote: > Josh > > If that is the way you wish to be viewed, don't change a thing. > > E.g. I mentioned the importance of language. 'Extensible' is good, > 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. > > Community-owned. Nice but it should be near the bottom of the list. > It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. Not just > a bit hokey, it also can suggest undisciplined, under funded, and a > few other prejoratives that come to mind. No offense, Rob, but you're just plain mistaken on this one. Linux is community-owned, and it's precisely this that makes it attractive in the corporate world. They know that Linux can't be made useless by some other corporation, get bought out, or go out of business. > BUT when linked to approachable: That can be a good thing. Mozilla is > community owned but they are particularly careful about the way their image > is developed. > > AND international: That implies strength, stability and accessibility. > > The rest of your list is about the product. The technology needs to be > presented in more marketing terms. > > I hope this is making some sense. Most of it did :) Cheers, David. > > On 3/2/10 10:48 AM, "Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > > On 2/2/10 3:42 PM, Rob Napier wrote: > >> we would like it to be recognised as one of the world¹s best RDBMS > >> applications commercial and open source; we would like it to be > >> accessible worldwide (with all the cultural, language and other issues > >> that entails); and we would like it to be perceived as being accessible > >> for everyone (advanced but easy to use). > > > > Hmmm. Here's what I'd like people to think about us as a concept list: > > > > * community-owned > > * approachable > > * hackable & extensible (the database you can customize) > > * secure > > * high-performance > > * advanced features > > * international > > * standards-compliant > > > > --Josh Berkus > > > > > Regards > > Rob Napier > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter@gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Rob Napier <rob@doitonce.net.au> wrote: > 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. > > Community-owned. It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. I think I don't like your friends. -- greg
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 07:35 -0800, David Fetter wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:30:44AM +1100, Rob Napier wrote: > > Josh > > > > If that is the way you wish to be viewed, don't change a thing. > > > > E.g. I mentioned the importance of language. 'Extensible' is good, > > 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. > > > > Community-owned. Nice but it should be near the bottom of the list. > > It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. Not just > > a bit hokey, it also can suggest undisciplined, under funded, and a > > few other prejoratives that come to mind. > > No offense, Rob, but you're just plain mistaken on this one. Linux is > community-owned, and it's precisely this that makes it attractive in > the corporate world. They know that Linux can't be made useless by > some other corporation, get bought out, or go out of business. No, community-owned is not what makes it attractive. Free and stable is. The fact that the majority of work done on Linux is actually done by corporate people (Redhat, IBM, Oracle) makes it even more attractive. If you go to a major corporation and say... Dude use my community-owned database, you will be shown the door. Which is exactly one of the more precise reasons that MySQL was kicking our butt in low end installations for so long. Because it was an open source "Product" not "Project" Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
>> Community-owned. It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. > > I think I don't like your friends. It would be interesting to do a survey of "suits" to see in what percentage of companies this is the case. I have spoken with upper management at more than one large company, all of whom said (though not in so many words) that the primary reason they (spend the tens-hundreds of K/year to) buy support is not because their own folks lack expertise, but because they want a "neck to strangle" (i.e. an entity on which to displace responsibility). Almost invariably, such management is allergic (i.e. has violent reactions to) the term 'community', and upon discovering the use of 'community' software in their enterprises start looking for a support contract to buy (i.e. CentOS -> RedHat, PostgreSQL -> EnterpriseDB) -OR- alternative supported products that they already license (i.e. PostgreSQL -> MS-SQL-Server). Lower-level workers who want to integrate open source products into their ecosystems have better luck when they suggest those supported alternatives. I wish I was just being silly with this dialogue, but this has been my experience with corporate IT. -JK
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Joshua Kramer <josh@globalherald.net> wrote:
I have spoken with upper management at more than one large company, all of whom said (though not in so many words) that the primary reason they (spend the tens-hundreds of K/year to) buy support is not because their own folks lack expertise, but because they want a "neck to strangle" (i.e. an entity on which to displace responsibility).
Almost invariably, such management is allergic (i.e. has violent reactions to) the term 'community', and upon discovering the use of 'community' software in their enterprises start looking for a support contract to buy (i.e. CentOS -> RedHat, PostgreSQL -> EnterpriseDB) -OR- alternative supported products that they already license (i.e. PostgreSQL -> MS-SQL-Server). Lower-level workers who want to integrate open source products into their ecosystems have better luck when they suggest those supported alternatives.
I've seen an interesting spin on this: executives arguing they need a neck to ring if something goes wrong but knowing that the license won't let them but not admitting it because they want shareholders to feel better. Even at that company we went with PostgreSQL.
I've also seen the opposite: an aversion to paying for anything thats so strong that you pretty much have to use open source or free as in beer tools. I've seen this at companies ranging from 30,000 to 8 employees.
Getting back to that first company - we went with PostgreSQL even though we were an a semi-indemnity kick. Why? We'd been using it for a few years and it worked well. We had lots of experience with it. We'd already optimized for it. Lastly it is free.
In this case it was all about momentum. We got that momentum because we appealed to a senior developer early in the process of forming the company. If that hadn't happened I wouldn't even be on this mailing list.
So my point is that your probably not going to win anyone over who is already using something else unless something drastic happens. We should really be targeting those organizations that are just forming. Executives may or may not come in later and want to do the whole PostgreSQL -> EnterpriseDB thing.
You mention executive declaring a migration from PostgreSQL to MS-SQL. Depending on the project that could either cost a couple man weeks or a couple man months. Thats unlikely to be a good sell to an executive. I've never seen one consider it. On the other hand I haven't been working all that long and I don't tend to work for executives who won't listen to reason.
Has anyone mentioned Greenplum yet? I'm thrilled about it because its made the "news" a few times which can only lead to more PostgreSQL exposure. Suites aren't going to know or care, but it gives us more clout with those senior developers in forming companies.
Nik
> In this case it was all about momentum. We got that momentum because we ..... > You mention executive declaring a migration from PostgreSQL to MS-SQL. > epending on the project that could either cost a couple man weeks or a Actually, this process usually does not manifest itself as an order to "Migrate from PG to MS". Instead, it goes something like this. Somebody in the company sees an opportunity to increase efficiency or save money by using some application that runs on only one or two database engines (usually some combination of My or Postgres). This person does a cost/benefit analysis and presents the findings. The suits say, "hey that's great, we'll approve it if you can get it running on MS-SQL or Oracle". To be fair, there is value in only having one or two in-house database engines (usually MS-SQL and Oracle), but after you get so many of these cost-saving "could have done's" that value is eroded. Having said that... if I remember correctly, somewhere xTuple claimed having at least one Fortune 1000 company as a client. xTuple (the ERP system) is based on PostgreSQL, so there is definitely some Postgres movement for mission-critical loads in Fortune land. Best, -JK
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Joshua Kramer <josh@globalherald.net> wrote:
.....In this case it was all about momentum. We got that momentum because weYou mention executive declaring a migration from PostgreSQL to MS-SQL.epending on the project that could either cost a couple man weeks or a
Actually, this process usually does not manifest itself as an order to "Migrate from PG to MS". Instead, it goes something like this. Somebody in the company sees an opportunity to increase efficiency or save money by using some application that runs on only one or two database engines (usually some combination of My or Postgres). This person does a cost/benefit analysis and presents the findings. The suits say, "hey that's great, we'll approve it if you can get it running on MS-SQL or Oracle". To be fair, there is value in only having one or two in-house database engines (usually MS-SQL and Oracle), but after you get so many of these cost-saving "could have done's" that value is eroded.
Having said that... if I remember correctly, somewhere xTuple claimed having at least one Fortune 1000 company as a client. xTuple (the ERP system) is based on PostgreSQL, so there is definitely some Postgres movement for mission-critical loads in Fortune land.
I am enlightened.
I assume you only mean Fortune 1000 vanilla PostgreSQL. If you count extensions then we've probably got more than ten and less than one hundred of them.
> If you go to a major corporation and say... Dude use my community-owned > database, you will be shown the door. Which is exactly one of the more > precise reasons that MySQL was kicking our butt in low end installations > for so long. Because it was an open source "Product" not "Project" Er, no. There's a tremendous tendency in this community to misattribute MySQL's relative commercial success to some aspect of marketing strategy. This could not be further from the truth, and it's important that people in this community realize that so that we don't waste our energies in the wrong place. MySQL became more widely adopted than PostgreSQL for 3 reasons: 1) it was "ready to use" in 1997 and we were not, 2) it adapted to and catered to web developers rather than demanding that they learn things or change habits, 3) it focused on strategic features in a timely fashion, at least up until 2004. MySQL didn't even begin to have serious professional marketing until 2004, which was already the peak of MySQL open source adoption, and that marketing was almost entirely focussed on converting OSS adoption to commercial customers. --Josh Berkus
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 07:35 -0800, David Fetter wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:30:44AM +1100, Rob Napier wrote: > > Josh > > > > If that is the way you wish to be viewed, don't change a thing. > > > > E.g. I mentioned the importance of language. 'Extensible' is good, > > 'hackable' has too many negative connotations. > > > > Community-owned. Nice but it should be near the bottom of the list. > > It also has negative connotations in the corporate sphere. Not just > > a bit hokey, it also can suggest undisciplined, under funded, and a > > few other prejoratives that come to mind. > > No offense, Rob, but you're just plain mistaken on this one. Linux is > community-owned, and it's precisely this that makes it attractive in > the corporate world. They know that Linux can't be made useless by > some other corporation, get bought out, or go out of business. No, community-owned is not what makes it attractive. Free and stable is. The fact that the majority of work done on Linux is actually done by corporate people (Redhat, IBM, Oracle) makes it even more attractive. If you go to a major corporation and say... Dude use my community-owned database, you will be shown the door. Which is exactly one of the more precise reasons that MySQL was kicking our butt in low end installations for so long. Because it was an open source "Product" not "Project" Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering Respect is earned, not gained through arbitrary and repetitive use or Mr. or Sir.
> Regarding the slogan, IMVHO it's deep into the don't care > area; well behind the postgre-SQL vs postgres-QL debates. > Though as much as people joke about the "now with easy > hot slaves" one, it > (a) highlights new features where Postgres was lacking, and > (b) would get picked up by a lot of blogs and social sites, and > (c) would probably get more people to read the announcement > just to see what it's talking about. It's certainly given me an idea for a t-shirt. ;-) --Josh
Josh Berkus wrote:
>> If you go to a major corporation and say... Dude use my community-owned
>> database, you will be shown the door. Which is exactly one of the more
>> precise reasons that MySQL was kicking our butt in low end installations
>> for so long. Because it was an open source "Product" not "Project"
>
> MySQL became more widely adopted than PostgreSQL for 3 reasons:
> 1) it was "ready to use" in 1997 and we were not,
> 2) it adapted to and catered to web developers rather than demanding
> that they learn things or change habits,
> 3) it focused on strategic features in a timely fashion, at least up
> until 2004.
I'm not sure I agree with either one of you.
From places I saw MySQL get wins, the reasons were:
1. [in a dozen tiny accounts] - MySQL worked on Windows earlier,
so Windows and mixed development shops liked it better.
2. [in a couple large accounts] - MySQL had more impressive customer
testimonials with Yahoo (2001), Sabre/Travelocity (2003),
and Google AdWords(2005). Yes, I know Postgres had users too,
by they were much less visible in business press, etc.
Regarding the slogan, IMVHO it's deep into the don't care
area; well behind the postgre-SQL vs postgres-QL debates.
Though as much as people joke about the "now with easy
hot slaves" one, it
(a) highlights new features where Postgres was lacking, and
(b) would get picked up by a lot of blogs and social sites, and
(c) would probably get more people to read the announcement
just to see what it's talking about.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 01:16, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > >> Regarding the slogan, IMVHO it's deep into the don't care >> area; well behind the postgre-SQL vs postgres-QL debates. >> Though as much as people joke about the "now with easy >> hot slaves" one, it >> (a) highlights new features where Postgres was lacking, and >> (b) would get picked up by a lot of blogs and social sites, and >> (c) would probably get more people to read the announcement >> just to see what it's talking about. (d) is instantly out of date once 9.1 is ready That's not a project slogan, that's a release slogan. > It's certainly given me an idea for a t-shirt. ;-) Release slogans work better on t-shirts :-) -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
I know this thread is long dead and this isn't a good slogan any way but:
PostgreSQL: Put away childish things.
First: its horrible.
Second: It really only compares PostgreSQL and MySQL.
On the other hand -
* Why do I need an index for each foreign key? Oh! Its because MySQL things I'm some kind of blithering idiot. Of course I can't disable that behavior! And how in the world did http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=21395 come about?
* SELECT post_id, count(*) FROM comment; works in MySQL. It produces one row. GROUP BY is for suckers.
* Non transactional tables are the default?!
* The connector is GPL!?
I only write this because I recently worked myself into a ten minute long rage and want to share.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 01:16, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:(d) is instantly out of date once 9.1 is ready
>
>> Regarding the slogan, IMVHO it's deep into the don't care
>> area; well behind the postgre-SQL vs postgres-QL debates.
>> Though as much as people joke about the "now with easy
>> hot slaves" one, it
>> (a) highlights new features where Postgres was lacking, and
>> (b) would get picked up by a lot of blogs and social sites, and
>> (c) would probably get more people to read the announcement
>> just to see what it's talking about.
That's not a project slogan, that's a release slogan.Release slogans work better on t-shirts :-)
> It's certainly given me an idea for a t-shirt. ;-)
--
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Me: http://www.hagander.net/
Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
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