Thread: PostgreSQL HOWTO
Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html Maybe someone can change the document, or make the author change it? -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2501 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk
Kaare Rasmussen <kar@webline.dk> writes: > Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html > Maybe someone can change the document, or make the author change it? (Rolls eyes...) See the archives for past discussion of this. We have been unable to persuade the LDP that the maintainer of the Postgres HOWTO is unfit to be trusted with sharp objects, let alone a HOWTO. If we could take it away from him, we'd gladly do so. regards, tom lane
Hello, I do not see how it puts the Postgres community in a bad light, although I do see how the author is a moron. J On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: >Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: > >http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html > >Maybe someone can change the document, or make the author change it? > > -- -- <COMPANY>CommandPrompt - http://www.commandprompt.com </COMPANY> <PROJECT>OpenDocs, LLC. - http://www.opendocs.org </PROJECT> <PROJECT>LinuxPorts - http://www.linuxports.com </PROJECT> <WEBMASTER>LDP - http://www.linuxdoc.org </WEBMASTER> -- Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. --
> I do not see how it puts the Postgres community in a bad light, although I > do see how the author is a moron. People think that it's an official PostgreSQL document. It turned up in a discussion (PostgreSQL vs. MySQL round 1000) as "the PostgreSQL docs". -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2501 Howitzvej 75 �ben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg L�rdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk
Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: > > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html it seems that the author of this HOWTO is a little bit mad in brain: from http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-11.html |> Best web-scripting (and compiling) language is PHP+Zend compiler |> PHP is extremely powerful as it combines the power of Perl, |> Java, C++, Javascript into one single language and it runs on |> all OSes - unixes and Windows NT/95. it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... Ciao Alvar -- Alvar C.H. Freude | alvar.freude@merz-akademie.de Demo: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ | Mach mit! Blast-DE: http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ | Blast-Dich-Fit Blast-EN: http://www.a-blast.org/ | Blast/english
> Hello, > > I do not see how it puts the Postgres community in a bad light, although I > do see how the author is a moron. Many of use fell is puts Linux in a bad light. :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > I do not see how it puts the Postgres community in a bad light, although I > > do see how the author is a moron. > > People think that it's an official PostgreSQL document. It turned up in a > discussion (PostgreSQL vs. MySQL round 1000) as "the PostgreSQL docs". Even earlier on, a lot of people portested the document because it used to misleadingly be called the "Database HOWTO", even though it only specifically talked about PostgreSQL. However, that was the document that first led me to PostgreSQL, about 2 years before I even knew MySQL existed... -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift? A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: > > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html > > Maybe someone can change the document, or make the author change it? Most of that HOWTO document is distincly unbalanced, but if you have the time to filter out all the raving lunacy there is quite an informative work hidden away in there. I'd agree that this HOWTO need editorial work, but please note that it is not an official PostgreSQL offering. -- Sincerely etc., NAME Christopher SawtellCELL PHONE 021 257 4451ICQ UIN 45863470EMAIL csawtell @ xtra . co . nzCNOTES ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/C/tutorials/sawtell_C.tar.gz -->> Please refrain from using HTML or WORD attachments in e-mails to me <<--
Hello, I am the Webmaster of the LDP... What should I know? Joshua Drake On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Tom Lane wrote: >Kaare Rasmussen <kar@webline.dk> writes: >> Whoever wrote this is putting the PostgreSQL community in a bad light: >> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-4.html >> Maybe someone can change the document, or make the author change it? > >(Rolls eyes...) See the archives for past discussion of this. We have >been unable to persuade the LDP that the maintainer of the Postgres >HOWTO is unfit to be trusted with sharp objects, let alone a HOWTO. >If we could take it away from him, we'd gladly do so. > > regards, tom lane > -- -- <COMPANY>CommandPrompt - http://www.commandprompt.com </COMPANY> <PROJECT>OpenDocs, LLC. - http://www.opendocs.org </PROJECT> <PROJECT>LinuxPorts - http://www.linuxports.com </PROJECT> <WEBMASTER>LDP - http://www.linuxdoc.org </WEBMASTER> -- Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. --
>|> Best web-scripting (and compiling) language is PHP+Zend compiler >|> PHP is extremely powerful as it combines the power of Perl, >|> Java, C++, Javascript into one single language and it runs on >|> all OSes - unixes and Windows NT/95. > >it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he metions and for the Web, PHP is the best. > > >Ciao > Alvar > > -- -- <COMPANY>CommandPrompt - http://www.commandprompt.com </COMPANY> <PROJECT>OpenDocs, LLC. - http://www.opendocs.org </PROJECT> <PROJECT>LinuxPorts - http://www.linuxports.com </PROJECT> <WEBMASTER>LDP - http://www.linuxdoc.org </WEBMASTER> -- Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. --
> from http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-11.html > >> Best web-scripting (and compiling) language is PHP+Zend >> compiler PHP is extremely powerful as it combines the power of >> Perl, Java, C++, Javascript into one single language and it >> runs on all OSes - unixes and Windows NT/95. Is everyone sure that this HOWTO is not a work of fiction sort of like that report on the computer virus that will cause your motherboard to catch fire and burn down your house in the middle of the night? As I understand Zend is a compiler/interpreter that uses a optimised bytecode to run a little faster than the normal apache/php. It shares few of the features of perl, even fewer of Java. C++? Last time I checked, PHP couldn't do OOP. Next thing we know it will be as efficient as assembler and as object oriented as SmallTalk. -Michael _________________________________________________________________ http://fastmail.ca/ - Fast Free Web Email for Canadians
> Hello, > > I am the Webmaster of the LDP... What should I know? OK, just read a little bit of it. After you stop laughing, come on back and we can talk. :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> Is everyone sure that this HOWTO is not a work of fiction sort of > like that report on the computer virus that will cause your > motherboard to catch fire and burn down your house in the middle of > the night? The HOWTO author really reminds me of Jesus Monroy, if anyone remembers him from the 386BSD Usenet groups. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Michael Richards wrote: > As I understand Zend is a compiler/interpreter that uses a optimised > bytecode to run a little faster than the normal apache/php. It shares > few of the features of perl, even fewer of Java. C++? Last time I > checked, PHP couldn't do OOP. Next thing we know it will be as > efficient as assembler and as object oriented as SmallTalk. Zend is the new engine that PHP4 is built on. It's supposed to be more optimised for heavy web stuff, kinda like mod_perl or a Java servlet engine. I've never used it, and haven't touched PHP in a year, so I can't vouch for what it really does. PHP sorta does objects, but don't expect Java or C++ (or even Perl) level of OO support. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A kind of Batman of contemporary letters. -- Philip Larkin on Anthony Burgess
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Poet/Joshua Drake wrote: > >it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... > > I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he metions > and for the Web, PHP is the best. I think it all depends on what you are building. PHP is good for small projects, but I would go with something more scalable for large systems, like EJB/servlets or Mason -- something that has more content management & templating features. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you know the University of Iowa closed down after someone stole the book?
>>> Best web-scripting (and compiling) language is PHP+Zend >>> compiler PHP is extremely powerful as it combines the power of >>> Perl, Java, C++, Javascript into one single language and it >>> runs on all OSes - unixes and Windows NT/95. >> >> it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... > > I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he > metions and for the Web, PHP is the best. The comparison is neither scientific (nothing is quantified or specified as criteria) nor is it accurate. Since you've used all the languages, you should agree that there are very few things in common with any of them or with PHP. Zend parses the contents and compiles it into an optimised bytecode and executes that. This bytecode can be cached. PHP is server based and nothing runs on the client machine as in JavaScript. PHP is not a compiled nor an object oriented language as in C++. There is no inheritance, polymorphism, or exception handling it has little in common with C++, let alone taking the "powerful features" from it. Same deal with Java. PHP may be executed similar to a VM, but come on, a JVM is not even close to PHP. On the JCL side of things PHP lacks any sort of security manager, objects, reflection, exceptions or platform independent bytecode. It has very little in common with Java as well. I build web email systems for a living and I find C++ works best for me because my implementation is efficient, protects my source code for outside licenses and allows me to use OOP within my CGI. For me, it was the best of all mentioned. This is an opinion and I've stated as to why I chose C++. My opinion is a sharp contrast to what is written above. I could have just said. No, you're all wrong, C++ is the best. That is not very helpful. Nor is the HOWTO because it is riddled with not only statements like that, but also facts that are totally wrong. PHP also does not run on all OSes. I'm sure if I sat down and looked I could find a large number of platforms it does not run on. How about MS-DOS? Xenix? OS/2? AS/400? Might be silly examples, but still points out how silly the "runs on all OSes" statement is. -Michael _________________________________________________________________ http://fastmail.ca/ - Fast Free Web Email for Canadians
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Hi, Poet/Joshua Drake wrote: > > >it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... > > I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he metions > and for the Web, PHP is the best. hmm, i guess it's not a good place for a PHP/Perl war here ;) but: The author wrote that PHP is Perl, C, Java etc. all in one -- this seems to me that he doesn't know perl. perl has lots of stuff that isn't available in PHP, has lots of modules on CPAN and so on. You can't compare CGI perl without any module and junky self-made HTTP-Header-Output from 1995 with PHP. If you want to compare, then compare mod_perl/embperl and CPAN including full DBI with PHP. Then it will be very dark for PHP. In case of all: speed, complexity, ready-to-use modules -- see http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/data/ -- etc. Ciao Alvar -- Alvar C.H. Freude | alvar.freude@merz-akademie.de Demo: http://www.online-demonstration.org/ | Mach mit! Blast-DE: http://www.assoziations-blaster.de/ | Blast-Dich-Fit Blast-EN: http://www.a-blast.org/ | Blast/english
Hello, I have temporarily removed the PostgreSQL HOWTO, pending peer review. Joshua Drake On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: >On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Poet/Joshua Drake wrote: > >> >it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... >> >> I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he metions >> and for the Web, PHP is the best. > >I think it all depends on what you are building. PHP is good for small >projects, but I would go with something more scalable for large systems, >like EJB/servlets or Mason -- something that has more content management & >templating features. > >-- Brett > http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Did you know the University of Iowa closed down after someone stole the book? > -- -- <COMPANY>CommandPrompt - http://www.commandprompt.com </COMPANY> <PROJECT>OpenDocs, LLC. - http://www.opendocs.org </PROJECT> <PROJECT>LinuxPorts - http://www.linuxports.com </PROJECT> <WEBMASTER>LDP - http://www.linuxdoc.org </WEBMASTER> -- Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. --
Alvar Freude wrote: > > Hi, > > Poet/Joshua Drake wrote: > > > > >it seems that the author never used any other think then PHP ... > > > > I am afraid I would disagree. I have used all of the languages he metions > > and for the Web, PHP is the best. > > hmm, i guess it's not a good place for a PHP/Perl war here ;) but: > The author wrote that PHP is Perl, C, Java etc. all in one -- this seems > to me that he doesn't know perl. > He also wrote (http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/PostgreSQL-HOWTO-2.html): "Nuclear weapons and other more powerful divine weapons were used in the battle field in ancient India!" I'm mystified as to why this document is on the linux.org web site. -- Joseph Shraibman jks@selectacast.net Increase signal to noise ratio. http://www.targabot.com