Thread: Re: New RPMS ?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Fernando Lozano wrote: > Hi Trond, > > > > Are there plans for 7.1.3 RPMS for Red Hat 6.2 and other systems using > > > the older glibc and rpm format? > > > > FWIW, while a version for RHL 6.2 makes sense because of glibc issues > > (and other libraries), the supported rpm format for RHL 6.2 is v4. > > Erratas (you have applied those, right? ;) also come in that format. > > I have not aplied those. I don't know what I did wrong, but I broke two > systems (had to reinstall) when trying to update the rpm subsystem. But > that's my fault, I'll solve this eventually. It's documented on the support site how to do it... upgrade the rpms (rpm, popt, db3), do a "rpm --rebuild". > I'd like to have updated rpms for 6.2 for a number of packages and I > wonder if Red Hat or someone else will provide these or not. We typically don't upgrade an existing distribution unless there is a compelling reason to do so - security or serious bugs affecting many users, typically. And when we do that, we prefer to apply the fix to the old version to upgrade. Reasons? Testing, integration, stability. We want e.g "RHL 6.2" to be fairly stable in what it means, to make development easy (don't introduce new libraries which not all users have) and support possible. Also, we hopefully avoid introducing new bugs this way. And just testing the component isn't sufficient - integration is also an issue. 20 various components which users have or haven't upgraded make for a big number of combinations. > I am not talking just about PostgreSQL now. It is not nice to provide > support for a number of customers without Unix and Linux culture and > having to recompile everything from sources. :-( If you want newer packages, get Red Hat Linux 7.1. -- Trond Eivind Glomsrød Red Hat, Inc.
On Monday 20 August 2001 18:09, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote: > > I am not talking just about PostgreSQL now. It is not nice to provide > > support for a number of customers without Unix and Linux culture and > > having to recompile everything from sources. :-( > If you want newer packages, get Red Hat Linux 7.1. For some folks with older machines, 6.2 is as high as it goes. Ever install 7.1 on a 486? This fellow is in Brazil -- and may not have even a Pentium, for all we know. PostgreSQL 7.1.x, for the record, runs (well, it jogs at least) on even an old 486DX4-100 I had RH 6.2 installed on (48MB RAM). (That machine went on the mission field....) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11
> > If you want newer packages, get Red Hat Linux 7.1. > > For some folks with older machines, 6.2 is as high as it goes. > Ever install > 7.1 on a 486? This fellow is in Brazil -- and may not have even > a Pentium, > for all we know. For the record, machine type isn't the only reason some folks cannot move to 7.X. My case, for example, is one where my company bought cheap UPS's for use with my Linux servers, and even the newest version of the software for auto-shutdown of the server doesn't support Redhat newer than 6.2. Others can probably give other examples, but suffice to say, many of us have no choice but to put newer RPM's or compiled source on top of a RH 6.X base, and have to face the question of how new a version of various software we can get away with and not mess up our system. -------------------------------- Karen Ellrick S & C Technology, Inc. 1-21-35 Kusatsu-shinmachi Hiroshima 733-0834 Japan (from U.S. 011-81, from Japan 0) 82-293-2838 --------------------------------
--- Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org> wrote: > On Monday 20 August 2001 18:09, Trond Eivind Glomsr�d wrote: > > > I am not talking just about PostgreSQL now. It is not nice > to provide > > > support for a number of customers without Unix and Linux > culture and > > > having to recompile everything from sources. :-( > > > If you want newer packages, get Red Hat Linux 7.1. > > For some folks with older machines, 6.2 is as high as it goes. > Ever install > 7.1 on a 486? This fellow is in Brazil -- and may not have > even a Pentium, > for all we know. For the record, Red Hat 7.1 with the slim 2.4 kernel runs very smoothly on my old Pentium 133 running on 48 MB RAM. It performs the duties of firewall, SMTP server, and DNS server while only using 4 MB of swap! PostgreSQL 7.1 should be no problem. Brent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
I am really, really sorry to hear that from you, Lamar. You alway seemed to me a very reasonable and smart person, but to suggest that just because Fernando Lozano is in Brazil he "may not have even a Pentium" is, to say the least, a terrible proof of ignorance and prejudice. For your information, we, brazilians, do not have to fight lions on the street or whatever other things you may imagine. Actually, we are doing very well as it comes to tecnology. I, for instance, work everyday on a Pentium III 1Ghz with 256MB of memory and a 17 inches monitor. Sorry for posting a mail like this to the list, but I just couldn't help myself. Carlos Felipe Zirbes DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informação E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br Fone: (51) 3342-8055 Fax: (51) 3342-4838 -----Original Message----- From: Lamar Owen [mailto:lamar.owen@wgcr.org] Sent: segunda-feira, 20 de agosto de 2001 21:28 To: Trond Eivind Glomsrød; Fernando Lozano Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] New RPMS ? On Monday 20 August 2001 18:09, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote: > > I am not talking just about PostgreSQL now. It is not nice to provide > > support for a number of customers without Unix and Linux culture and > > having to recompile everything from sources. :-( > If you want newer packages, get Red Hat Linux 7.1. For some folks with older machines, 6.2 is as high as it goes. Ever install 7.1 on a 486? This fellow is in Brazil -- and may not have even a Pentium, for all we know. PostgreSQL 7.1.x, for the record, runs (well, it jogs at least) on even an old 486DX4-100 I had RH 6.2 installed on (48MB RAM). (That machine went on the mission field....) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://www.postgresql.org/search.mpl
Hi Carlos, > For your information, we, brazilians, do not have to fight lions on the > street or whatever other things you may imagine. Actually, we are doing very > well as it comes to tecnology. I, for instance, work everyday on a Pentium > III 1Ghz with 256MB of memory and a 17 inches monitor. Come'on Carlos, aren't you afraid of the canibal indians next to your house? ;-)) Well, I see all around the world there are projects like LTSP which aim to provide support for Linux and newer apps on old hardware. It may look very cheap to buy one migh-end PC alone, but getting 20 to 50 of them to make a working school lab is another entirelly different story. []s, Fernando Lozano
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 15:16, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote: > You alway seemed to me a very reasonable and smart person, but to suggest > that just because Fernando Lozano is in Brazil he "may not have even a > Pentium" is, to say the least, a terrible proof of ignorance and prejudice. Whoa. I intended absolutely NO offense with my posting of that comment. I have missionary friends in Brazil, Bolivia, and Peru (amongst other places), and they constantly talk about the slower machines they have to deal with, thus the comment. My sincere apologies for any offense, as none was intended whatsoever. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11