Thread: [IMPORTANT] OSCON 1 or 2 booths?
Hello, O.k. we are on a short deadline for OSCON here is what is for certain: Command Prompt and SRA are sponsoring a Commercial Booth for the PostgreSQL community. Thus providing the optimum exposure as a whole. Here is what not certain: Should also get the community (.org pavilion) booth? Initial thoughts are: 1. Have both booths run as PostgreSQL.Org booths 2. Both booths would be staffed at all times 3. Have scheduled mini-talks at the .org pavilion. The idea would be that we could have 15 minute organized talks in between normal booth operations (say every 2 hours) that talk about something specific to PostgreSQL. Examples would be save points, mvcc, etc... These would be short, sweet and to the point talks with the idea around providing detailed, dense information on the topics. The rest of the time would be spent doing what we already do at OSCON. Promote PostgreSQL just with two booths. Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both community and company stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > O.k. we are on a short deadline for OSCON here is what is for certain: > > Command Prompt and SRA are sponsoring a Commercial Booth for the > PostgreSQL community. Thus providing the optimum exposure as a whole. > > Here is what not certain: > > Should also get the community (.org pavilion) booth? > > Initial thoughts are: > > 1. Have both booths run as PostgreSQL.Org booths > 2. Both booths would be staffed at all times > 3. Have scheduled mini-talks at the .org pavilion. > > The idea would be that we could have 15 minute organized talks > in between normal booth operations (say every 2 hours) that talk > about something specific to PostgreSQL. Examples would be save points, > mvcc, etc... > > These would be short, sweet and to the point talks with the idea around > providing detailed, dense information on the topics. The rest of the > time would be spent doing what we already do at OSCON. Promote > PostgreSQL just with two booths. > > Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the > communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We > will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > > > > > > > -- > Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support > Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths > because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember > last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can > attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both > community and company stuff. But other than that you have no problem with two booths? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>O.k. we are on a short deadline for OSCON here is what is for certain: >> >>Command Prompt and SRA are sponsoring a Commercial Booth for the >>PostgreSQL community. Thus providing the optimum exposure as a whole. >> >>Here is what not certain: >> >>Should also get the community (.org pavilion) booth? >> >>Initial thoughts are: >> >>1. Have both booths run as PostgreSQL.Org booths >>2. Both booths would be staffed at all times >>3. Have scheduled mini-talks at the .org pavilion. >> >>The idea would be that we could have 15 minute organized talks >>in between normal booth operations (say every 2 hours) that talk >>about something specific to PostgreSQL. Examples would be save points, >>mvcc, etc... >> >>These would be short, sweet and to the point talks with the idea around >>providing detailed, dense information on the topics. The rest of the >>time would be spent doing what we already do at OSCON. Promote >>PostgreSQL just with two booths. >> >>Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the >>communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We >>will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Joshua D. Drake >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 >>PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support >>Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting >>Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> >>---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >>TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org >> > > -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths > > because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember > > last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can > > attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both > > community and company stuff. > > But other than that you have no problem with two booths? > I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our pool of people and focus. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>O.k. we are on a short deadline for OSCON here is what is for certain: > >> > >>Command Prompt and SRA are sponsoring a Commercial Booth for the > >>PostgreSQL community. Thus providing the optimum exposure as a whole. > >> > >>Here is what not certain: > >> > >>Should also get the community (.org pavilion) booth? > >> > >>Initial thoughts are: > >> > >>1. Have both booths run as PostgreSQL.Org booths > >>2. Both booths would be staffed at all times > >>3. Have scheduled mini-talks at the .org pavilion. > >> > >>The idea would be that we could have 15 minute organized talks > >>in between normal booth operations (say every 2 hours) that talk > >>about something specific to PostgreSQL. Examples would be save points, > >>mvcc, etc... > >> > >>These would be short, sweet and to the point talks with the idea around > >>providing detailed, dense information on the topics. The rest of the > >>time would be spent doing what we already do at OSCON. Promote > >>PostgreSQL just with two booths. > >> > >>Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the > >>communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We > >>will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... > >> > >>Sincerely, > >> > >>Joshua D. Drake > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 > >>PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support > >>Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > >>Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > >> > >>---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > >>TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > >> > >> http://archives.postgresql.org > >> > > > > > > > -- > Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support > Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>>My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths >>>because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember >>>last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can >>>attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both >>>community and company stuff. >> >>But other than that you have no problem with two booths? >> > > > I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our > pool of people and focus. O.k. noted. Our obvious thought is that the more presence we have the better. Anyone else? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>But other than that you have no problem with two booths? > > I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our > pool of people and focus. I agree with Bruce. I think it reflects better on our community if we have one shared booth. Joe
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > >>Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > >>>My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths > >>>because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember > >>>last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can > >>>attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both > >>>community and company stuff. > >> > >>But other than that you have no problem with two booths? > >> > > > > > > I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our > > pool of people and focus. > > O.k. noted. Our obvious thought is that the more presence we have the > better. > > Anyone else? > I don't think that works at on convention floors. Our biggest draw last year was the horde of people who were always at our booth, while others were empty --- it was dramatic. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
>>>> >>> >>> >>>I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our >>>pool of people and focus. >> >>O.k. noted. Our obvious thought is that the more presence we have the >>better. >> >>Anyone else? >> > > > I don't think that works at on convention floors. Our biggest draw last > year was the horde of people who were always at our booth, while others > were empty --- it was dramatic. Yes but this year we are going to be in a much larger facility. If we were still at the Marriot I would agree with you. There (in theory) will be a lot more walker traffic, like when you go to a LinuxWorld (or at least that's how it used to be) or something like that. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
On June 7, 2005 12:32 pm, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the > communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We > will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... Actually we have to supply the table too. regards Robert Bernier
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our > >>>pool of people and focus. > >> > >>O.k. noted. Our obvious thought is that the more presence we have the > >>better. > >> > >>Anyone else? > >> > > > > > > I don't think that works at on convention floors. Our biggest draw last > > year was the horde of people who were always at our booth, while others > > were empty --- it was dramatic. > > Yes but this year we are going to be in a much larger facility. If we > were still at the Marriot I would agree with you. > > There (in theory) will be a lot more walker traffic, like when you go to > a LinuxWorld (or at least that's how it used to be) or something like that. I am not sure it is going to be that much larger than previously. In fact, it hasn't increased in size in a few years, and is smaller in some respects like the number of talks. Even at Linuxworld I think we are better with one booth. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Robert Bernier wrote: > On June 7, 2005 12:32 pm, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the > > communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We > > will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... > > Actually we have to supply the table too. Do we have to bring our own air? :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Robert Bernier wrote: >> On June 7, 2005 12:32 pm, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>> Downside to the .Org Pavilion. This year Oreilly is making the >>> communities responsible for EVERYTHING except the space and table. We >>> will have to arrange carpet, electricity, internet etc... >> >> Actually we have to supply the table too. > > Do we have to bring our own air? :-) Ya know I have a contact with President Scroob's office on planet Spaceball for some black market air. Brian > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania > 19073 > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org
>> Do we have to bring our own air? :-) > > > Ya know I have a contact with President Scroob's office on planet > Spaceball for some black market air. O.k. now that we know **exactly** how much a geek Brian is.... May the Schwartz be with you! Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > Brian > >> >> -- >> Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us >> pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 >> + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road >> + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania >> 19073 >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
On June 7, 2005 01:01 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I am not sure it is going to be that much larger than previously. In > fact, it hasn't increased in size in a few years, and is smaller in some > respects like the number of talks. > > Even at Linuxworld I think we are better with one booth. There's going to be a total of 60 booths, commercial and opensource, at OSCON 2005. There's a lot to be said having two booths at the same convention but on thinking back at Linux world this past FebruaryI realised that having more than one kind of group working the booth was one of the factors that made it work, Forthat matter, last year's OSCON had guys from all over the place which I think really added to it's success too. There's a better opportunity for networking if we concentrate on one location rather than two. And then of course we can really spruce up the booth by pooling our resources, remember the elephants we had hanging overhead? cheers Robert Bernier
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: >> My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths >> because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember >> last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can >> attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both >> community and company stuff. > > But other than that you have no problem with two booths? Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of spreading them out between two? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I guess I don't see the point of having two booths. It just dilutes our >>>> pool of people and focus. >>> >>> O.k. noted. Our obvious thought is that the more presence we have the >>> better. >>> >>> Anyone else? >>> >> >> >> I don't think that works at on convention floors. Our biggest draw last >> year was the horde of people who were always at our booth, while others >> were empty --- it was dramatic. > > Yes but this year we are going to be in a much larger facility. If we were > still at the Marriot I would agree with you. Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends' of the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each other, then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each 'end' (I realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then two would make sense ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> > > Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one > stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of > spreading them out between two? Well that is the question at hand :) I personally think two booths could be a huge boost. I liken it to car dealers. I can point at 4 chevy dealerships with 10 miles. All of them spreading the chevy joy. I am not saying multiple booths is a good idea, I could very easily (as my wife continually reminds me) be wrong. It just seems like a novel way, since one of them is free to get as much exposure as possible. We could even make fun with it: PostgreSQL.Org East PostgreSQL.Org West etc... Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Robert Bernier wrote: > On June 7, 2005 01:01 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> I am not sure it is going to be that much larger than previously. In >> fact, it hasn't increased in size in a few years, and is smaller in some >> respects like the number of talks. >> >> Even at Linuxworld I think we are better with one booth. > > There's going to be a total of 60 booths, commercial and opensource, at > OSCON 2005. > > There's a lot to be said having two booths at the same convention but on > thinking back at Linux world this past February I realised that having > more than one kind of group working the booth was one of the factors > that made it work, For that matter, last year's OSCON had guys from all > over the place which I think really added to it's success too. One thing that works against this, though, is crowding ... by having two booths, one would hope that things wouldn't *look* crowded ... I tend to avoid the crowded booths at a show, and come back later when there are hopefully less ppl, so that I can talk to someone, instead of listening to someone else talk ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> > Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the > conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends' > of the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each > other, then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each > 'end' (I realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then > two would make sense ... One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial Pavilion. I don't know how close they will be but they will not be next to each other. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq -- Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
I also agree that one booth would be best. It will be important to get the booth staffed up. I did this last year, sort of, with David Fetter's help. Once we decide on one or two booths we can begin to coordinate volunteers. Anyone got comp tickets for booth volunteers? --elein On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:48:39AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > >Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one > >stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of > >spreading them out between two? > > Well that is the question at hand :) > > I personally think two booths could be a huge boost. I liken it to car > dealers. I can point at 4 chevy dealerships with 10 miles. All of them > spreading the chevy joy. > > I am not saying multiple booths is a good idea, I could very easily (as > my wife continually reminds me) be wrong. It just seems like a novel > way, since one of them is free to get as much exposure as possible. > > We could even make fun with it: > > PostgreSQL.Org East > PostgreSQL.Org West > > etc... > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > > > -- > Your PostgreSQL solutions company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.800.492.2240 > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Programming, 24x7 support > Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq >
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths > >> because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember > >> last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can > >> attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both > >> community and company stuff. > > > > But other than that you have no problem with two booths? > > Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one > stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of > spreading them out between two? It's like gborg and pgfoundry! (ducks) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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> >
> > Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the
> > conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends'
> > of the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each
> > other, then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each
> > 'end' (I realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then
> > two would make sense ...
>
> One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial
> Pavilion. I don't know how close they will be but they will not be next
> to each other.
>
One issue that comes to mind is that we tend to make noise about being a
community organization rather than just a piece of a specific corporate
organization (like most of the other OS DB's)... would it not be odd if
we had *no* presence in the community Pavilion? Might it confuse people
who go looking in the community section for us and can't find any
presence for postgresql?
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert Treat wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > > > > Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the > > > conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends' > > > of the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each > > > other, then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each > > > 'end' (I realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then > > > two would make sense ... > > > > One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial > > Pavilion. I don't know how close they will be but they will not be next > > to each other. > > > > One issue that comes to mind is that we tend to make noise about being a > community organization rather than just a piece of a specific corporate > organization (like most of the other OS DB's)... would it not be odd if > we had *no* presence in the community Pavilion? Might it confuse people > who go looking in the community section for us and can't find any > presence for postgresql? We were in the business pavillion at Linux World Boston and it seemed to go fine. People don't really make the distinction in a setting like that. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
The other thing about this, is that this is a growing experience. The mere fact that we have to discuss this means that the future is bright. Also the final decisions on this we can carry with us into planning for next year (which should take place) right away. Brian On Jun 7, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Robert Bernier wrote: > On June 7, 2005 01:01 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> I am not sure it is going to be that much larger than previously. In >> fact, it hasn't increased in size in a few years, and is smaller in >> some >> respects like the number of talks. >> >> Even at Linuxworld I think we are better with one booth. > > There's going to be a total of 60 booths, commercial and opensource, > at OSCON 2005. > > There's a lot to be said having two booths at the same convention but > on thinking back at Linux world this past February I realised that > having more than one kind of group working the booth was one of the > factors that made it work, For that matter, last year's OSCON had guys > from all over the place which I think really added to it's success > too. > > There's a better opportunity for networking if we concentrate on one > location rather than two. > > And then of course we can really spruce up the booth by pooling our > resources, remember the elephants we had hanging overhead? > > > cheers > > Robert Bernier > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
People: > > One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial > > Pavilion. I don't know how close they will be but they will not be > > next to each other. I really don't believe that we have enough people for 2 booths. To be successful, we need to have at least 3 people in each booth at all times ... and 5 people is better. We're actually going to have *less* speakers at OSCON this year, and thus potentially less PG attendees overall. I think if we had 2 booths, we'd end up with times where we had 1 person in the .org booth and 2 people in the commercial booth, and that would look pathetic. Far better to have a roiling mob at a single booth. Just like it's far better to have an audience of 150 in a room that holds 125 than an audience of 175 in a room that holds 350. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:48:39AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > >Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one > >stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of > >spreading them out between two? > > Well that is the question at hand :) > > I personally think two booths could be a huge boost. I liken it to car > dealers. I can point at 4 chevy dealerships with 10 miles. All of them > spreading the chevy joy. Remember Metcalfe's law? The value of the booth grows with the square of the number of connections. So if you have twice the number of people showing Postgres off to twice the number of visitors, you quadruple the overall booth value, while having two booths would only duplicate it. Not sure if the application of the law is correct but it sounds cool anyway ... -- Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]surnet.cl>) "Un poeta es un mundo encerrado en un hombre" (Victor Hugo)
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:49:03PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Robert Bernier wrote: > > >There's a lot to be said having two booths at the same convention > >but on thinking back at Linux world this past February I realised > >that having more than one kind of group working the booth was one > >of the factors that made it work, For that matter, last year's > >OSCON had guys from all over the place which I think really added > >to it's success too. > > One thing that works against this, though, is crowding ... by having > two booths, one would hope that things wouldn't *look* crowded ... I > tend to avoid the crowded booths at a show, and come back later when > there are hopefully less ppl, so that I can talk to someone, instead > of listening to someone else talk ... Although I have a similar feeling about crowded booths, I think that from an advocacy point of view, it's better to have crowds than one-at-a-time religious conversions, however profound those might feel. Cheers, D -- David Fetter david@fetter.org http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 510 893 6100 mobile: +1 415 235 3778 Remember to vote!
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> >> Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the >> conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends' of >> the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each other, >> then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each 'end' (I >> realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then two would make >> sense ... > > One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial Pavilion. I > don't know how close they will be but they will not be next to each other. If they are in the same 'general area', then the two booth idea wouldn't be as strong as it would if they were at opposite ends ... is there an 'online map/layout' for teh center its going to be in? *Optimally*, you would have a booth as close to any entrance/exits as you could get it too ... first thing they see as they enter, and last thing they see as they leave ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >>> Bruce Momjian wrote: >>>> My though is that it isn't really good to give presentations in booths >>>> because it is too disturbing to surrounding booths. Those who remember >>>> last year how we obscured Mozilla and Gnome booths with our crowds can >>>> attest to that. I am thinking one booth is best and have it be both >>>> community and company stuff. >>> >>> But other than that you have no problem with two booths? >> >> Wouldn't having two 'PostgreSQL.Org' booths be confusing? Isn't a "one >> stop shopping" sort of thing better, where everyone gathers instead of >> spreading them out between two? > > It's like gborg and pgfoundry! (ducks) Actually, not the same .. the benefit to having two booths that are 'far apart' is that you stand a better chance of *everyone* seeing you ... some ppl pre-pick where they want to go at conventions, to the point of 'mapping their route', so there is a chance that they won't even go near the .Org pavillon since they are there to see a specific vendor ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Robert Treat wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:49, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >>> >>> Hrmmmm ... I can see the argument for ... and without knowing what the >>> conference area layout looks like, will the booths be at 'opposite ends' >>> of the conference floor? If they are just going to be next to each >>> other, then it seems redundant ... if you are looking at one at each >>> 'end' (I realize that there is not necessarily an "end" per se), then >>> two would make sense ... >> >> One will be in the .Org pavilion, one will be in the Commercial >> Pavilion. I don't know how close they will be but they will not be next >> to each other. >> > > One issue that comes to mind is that we tend to make noise about being a > community organization rather than just a piece of a specific corporate > organization (like most of the other OS DB's)... would it not be odd if > we had *no* presence in the community Pavilion? Might it confuse people > who go looking in the community section for us and can't find any > presence for postgresql? Consider that we 'get nothing but a booth', I'd accept the booth and put nothing in it by a sign pointing to the man'd booth :) Personally, we shoudl accept the .Org booth regardless of whether the Commercial one is setup ... if we *don't*, the offer may not be made next year, since we obviously didn't need it ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, David Fetter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:49:03PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Robert Bernier wrote: >> >>> There's a lot to be said having two booths at the same convention >>> but on thinking back at Linux world this past February I realised >>> that having more than one kind of group working the booth was one >>> of the factors that made it work, For that matter, last year's >>> OSCON had guys from all over the place which I think really added >>> to it's success too. >> >> One thing that works against this, though, is crowding ... by having >> two booths, one would hope that things wouldn't *look* crowded ... I >> tend to avoid the crowded booths at a show, and come back later when >> there are hopefully less ppl, so that I can talk to someone, instead >> of listening to someone else talk ... > > Although I have a similar feeling about crowded booths, I think that > from an advocacy point of view, it's better to have crowds than > one-at-a-time religious conversions, however profound those might feel. If one could ensure "3 per booth" at all times, then that probably wouldn't be a big issue, but Josh does bring up a strong point about how hard it will potentially be to get 3 for one booth, let alone 3 for two ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Marc, > Personally, we shoudl accept the .Org booth regardless of whether the > Commercial one is setup ... if we *don't*, the offer may not be made > next year, since we obviously didn't need it ... Or we'll piss off O'Reilly by askign for a booth we don't need. Remember that the .ORG booths are at *their* cost. -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: > Marc, > >> Personally, we shoudl accept the .Org booth regardless of whether the >> Commercial one is setup ... if we *don't*, the offer may not be made >> next year, since we obviously didn't need it ... > > Or we'll piss off O'Reilly by askign for a booth we don't need. Remember > that the .ORG booths are at *their* cost. Just a thought ... SRA/CP are willing to put together a booth that, as far as I've read, is meant for the .ORG ... why not accept the .Org booth itself, and use the money saved from the booth cost for other expenses? I don't know how much the booth space itself costs, so not sure how much of a different it would make, but, for instance, maybe the 'cost of the booth itself' could be used (assuming it is allowed) to get a "big blue elephant ballon" made that either floats (or hangs) over the booth so that you see if from a distance, even if you aren't right beside the booth ... or something like that? Instead of two booths, have one, but make it much more visible ... ? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664