Thread: Books on PostgreSQL
Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good
to see them listed all in one place:
http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html
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If there are any out there, could he also put up links to reviews of the books? I know that Amazon has a few, but I'd liketo see comparisons of the books, etc. Wyatt > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > to see them listed all in one place: > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue > + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > to see them listed all in one place: > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for what purpose ever)? Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com # _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
wyatt@draggoo.com wrote:
> If there are any out there, could he also put up links to reviews of the books? I know that Amazon has a few, but
I'dlike to see comparisons of the books, etc.
Our techdocs has a listing of some.
http://techdocs.postgresql.org/
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > > to see them listed all in one place: > > > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new > one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for > what purpose ever)? I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > > > > to see them listed all in one place: > > > > > > > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > > > > > I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new > > > one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for > > > what purpose ever)? > > > > I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. > > No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > all) is available by now. Should it be removed? Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > > > to see them listed all in one place: > > > > > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > > > I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new > > one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for > > what purpose ever)? > > I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at all) is available by now. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com # _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > > > > > to see them listed all in one place: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > > > > > > > I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new > > > > one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for > > > > what purpose ever)? > > > > > > I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. > > > > No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > > database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > > all) is available by now. > > Should it be removed? You know his old Database-SQL-RDBMS Howto, don't you? Do you think it's good for PostgreSQL if we point to THAT from our site? I mean, why did want it to be removed from the Linux documentation project? Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com # _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
>> No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original
>> database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at
>> all) is available by now.
> Should it be removed?
I don't think we want to implicitly endorse it by listing it.
Certainly not without a big red disclaimer...
regards, tom lane
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes: > >> No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > >> database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > >> all) is available by now. > > > Should it be removed? > > I don't think we want to implicitly endorse it by listing it. > Certainly not without a big red disclaimer... Nota problem. It's outa print anyway. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> > > > I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. > > > > > > No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > > > database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > > > all) is available by now. > > > > Should it be removed? > > You know his old Database-SQL-RDBMS Howto, don't you? Do you > think it's good for PostgreSQL if we point to THAT from our > site? I mean, why did want it to be removed from the Linux > documentation project? Ditto. Vince, I think removal is a good idea. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > > > > > > to see them listed all in one place: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html > > > > > > > > > > I see Al Dev's old book there, but no reference to his new > > > > > one. Does anyone know if the new or the old is better (for > > > > > what purpose ever)? > > > > > > > > I thought it was the same book. It's the only one Amazon listed. > > > > > > No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > > > database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > > > all) is available by now. > > > > Should it be removed? > > You know his old Database-SQL-RDBMS Howto, don't you? Do you > think it's good for PostgreSQL if we point to THAT from our > site? I mean, why did want it to be removed from the Linux > documentation project? I don't recall the how to or the history. Too long ago and not enuf beer probably! Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes: > >> No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > >> database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > >> all) is available by now. > > > Should it be removed? > > I don't think we want to implicitly endorse it by listing it. > Certainly not without a big red disclaimer... We could have a section on: Not Recommended Reading List :) Books Only for Those with Sense of Humor
> I don't recall the how to or the history. Too long ago and not enuf > beer probably! It was a terrible piece of work. Claiming to be the Linux Database How-To, it mixed true information about PostgreSQL with political (or religious, I've forgot now) statements, stepping on everybodys toes. I wouldn't know if his book is the same. I think that it sould not be removed just because he's the author, but if the content is the same - out! But what about this one: Professional SQL Server Development with Access 2000 by Rick Dobson What has that got to do with PostgreSQL ?? -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2501 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Web: www.suse.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Email: kar@kakidata.dk
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> > >> No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original
> > >> database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at
> > >> all) is available by now.
> >
> > > Should it be removed?
> >
> > I don't think we want to implicitly endorse it by listing it.
> > Certainly not without a big red disclaimer...
>
> We could have a section on:
>
> Not Recommended Reading List
>
> :)
>
> Books Only for Those with Sense of Humor
I'd seriously prefer we list it prominently, with the aforementioned big
red warning. At present I'm trying to convince the online retailers not
to sell it as rewarding him for his mis-information is only going to
keep him doing it.
I just wish he'd spend his time on beneficial things, instead of the
crap he does.
+ Justin
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > I don't recall the how to or the history. Too long ago and not enuf > > beer probably! > > It was a terrible piece of work. Claiming to be the Linux Database How-To, > it mixed true information about PostgreSQL with political (or religious, > I've forgot now) statements, stepping on everybodys toes. > > I wouldn't know if his book is the same. I think that it sould not be > removed just because he's the author, but if the content is the same - out! Doesn't matter now, it's out of print so I pulled it. > But what about this one: > Professional SQL Server Development with Access 2000 by Rick Dobson > What has that got to do with PostgreSQL ?? It's already gone. For some reason it comes up on a search for postgresql on amazon. In fact it shows up as #1. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > > > > > Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes: > > > >> No, that's the old version, or simply a print of his original > > > >> database HOWTO. I don't know if his new one (if it exists at > > > >> all) is available by now. > > > > > > > Should it be removed? > > > > > > I don't think we want to implicitly endorse it by listing it. > > > Certainly not without a big red disclaimer... > > > > We could have a section on: > > > > Not Recommended Reading List > > > > :) > > > > Books Only for Those with Sense of Humor > my vote would be for it to list under the 2nd section then, as its quite funny to read ;) (i just looked it up via google) > I'd seriously prefer we list it prominently, with the aforementioned big > red warning. At present I'm trying to convince the online retailers not > to sell it as rewarding him for his mis-information is only going to > keep him doing it. > > I just wish he'd spend his time on beneficial things, instead of the > crap he does. > > + Justin > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > > -- > "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those > who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the > first group; there was less competition there." > - Indira Gandhi > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > > > -- NeoMail - Webmail that doesn't suck... as much. http://neomail.sourceforge.net
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > > But what about this one: > > Professional SQL Server Development with Access 2000 by Rick Dobson > > What has that got to do with PostgreSQL ?? > > It's already gone. For some reason it comes up on a search for > postgresql on amazon. In fact it shows up as #1. Maybe Access2000 is just the front-end, and they use PgSQL as the backend? :)
>> > Professional SQL Server Development with Access 2000 by Rick Dobson > Maybe Access2000 is just the front-end, and they use PgSQL as the backend? To a lot of people, "SQL Server" means "Microsoft SQL Server". So I think that the book is about MS products. I searched the blurp for any sign of PostgreSQL with no success, so if there is any pgsl related information, it is buried deeper. -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2501 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Web: www.suse.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Email: kar@kakidata.dk
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > But what about this one: > > > Professional SQL Server Development with Access 2000 by Rick Dobson > > > What has that got to do with PostgreSQL ?? > > > > It's already gone. For some reason it comes up on a search for > > postgresql on amazon. In fact it shows up as #1. > > Maybe Access2000 is just the front-end, and they use PgSQL as the backend? > :) I went back and read everything they had on it and the only backend they use is ms sql. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
Howdy:
Have been reading the few posts about the books listed
(whatever came from Amazon and such). I'm thinking
about getting a few books for my department, but after
re-reading some of the things you guys are saying, I'm
not so sure about which books are worth getting.
Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for
general department use?
Thanks!
-X
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Johnson, Shaunn wrote: > Howdy: > > Have been reading the few posts about the books listed > (whatever came from Amazon and such). I'm thinking > about getting a few books for my department, but after > re-reading some of the things you guys are saying, I'm > not so sure about which books are worth getting. > > Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for > general department use? The only two on the list that I've seen are the first two. I have both and highly recommend both. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
Vince Vielhaber writes:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Johnson, Shaunn wrote:
> > Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for
> > general department use?
> The only two on the list that I've seen are the first two. I have both
> and highly recommend both.
I'd agree with Vince - I've got both ('PostgreSQL: Introduction and
Concepts' & 'Postgresql Developer's Handbook') and would recommend
them.
Lee.
Howdy Vince:
Is this from the following link:
http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html ?
Are you talking about the 'PostgreSQL: Introduction' by Momjian
and 'Postgresql Developer's Handbook' by Geschwinde?
Or are you referring to the list on Amazon? (whose like I can't
seem to reproduce right now.
I currently have 'PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts' for
myself ... seems okay to me since I have no prior experience
in Postgres at all ...
-X
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince Vielhaber [mailto:vev@michvhf.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:01 AM
To: Johnson, Shaunn
Cc: PostgreSQL-general
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Books on PostgreSQL
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Johnson, Shaunn wrote:
> Howdy:
>
> Have been reading the few posts about the books listed
> (whatever came from Amazon and such). I'm thinking
> about getting a few books for my department, but after
> re-reading some of the things you guys are saying, I'm
> not so sure about which books are worth getting.
>
> Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for
> general department use?
The only two on the list that I've seen are the first two. I have both
and highly recommend both.
Vince.
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The combination of the following resources have met most of my PostgreSQL info needs (not in any order): 1. The book "PostgreSQL: Introduction and Concepts" 2. This mailing list 3. The online documentation My wife ordered the book "Practical PostgreSQL" from Amazon.com for me as a Christmas gift; but to my knowledge, it hasn't shipped yet. Best of luck, Andrew Gould --- "Johnson, Shaunn" <SJohnson6@bcbsm.com> wrote: > Howdy: > > Have been reading the few posts about the books > listed > (whatever came from Amazon and such). I'm thinking > about getting a few books for my department, but > after > re-reading some of the things you guys are saying, > I'm > not so sure about which books are worth getting. > > Is there anything on the list that I *should* get > for > general department use? > > Thanks! > > -X > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Could the list be expanded to include publisher and ISBN information for
those of us who would like to look for the books somewhere else besides
Amazon? Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 4:39 PM
To: PostgreSQL-general
Subject: [GENERAL] Books on PostgreSQL
Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good
to see them listed all in one place:
http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html
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Hi Shaunn, There are some reviews of PostgreSQL and other SQL related book at : http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/bookreviews.php If anyone else has a few reviews they'd like to add, please email them over! :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift Lee Kindness wrote: > > Vince Vielhaber writes: > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Johnson, Shaunn wrote: > > > Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for > > > general department use? > > The only two on the list that I've seen are the first two. I have both > > and highly recommend both. > > I'd agree with Vince - I've got both ('PostgreSQL: Introduction and > Concepts' & 'Postgresql Developer's Handbook') and would recommend > them. > > Lee. > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
> Vince, our webmaster, has put up a nice list of PostgreSQL books. Good > to see them listed all in one place: > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html I read Bruce online (sorry Bruce...) I wrote a revue of PostgreSQL Essential Reference which got me straight on some things that I missed in the online docs and which I tote with me onsite as a quick reference - so it is serving it's purpose. (thanks Barry and New Riders) CALL TO BUDDING AUTHORS: We really need a pl/pgsql cookbook much like the books in the Oracle documentation series. A book that doesn't say one word about installing Postgres or administering it just pure plain pl/pgsql... </ 0.02 euro cents worth> Cheers Tony Grant -- RedHat Linux on Sony Vaio C1XD/S http://www.animaproductions.com/linux2.html Macromedia UltraDev with PostgreSQL http://www.animaproductions.com/ultra.html
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Johnson, Shaunn wrote: > Howdy Vince: > > Is this from the following link: > > http://www.us.postgresql.org/books/index.html ? > > Are you talking about the 'PostgreSQL: Introduction' by Momjian > and 'Postgresql Developer's Handbook' by Geschwinde? Those are the ones and from the list on our site(s). Not the amazon list. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
Johnson, Shaunn wrote:
> Howdy:
>
> Have been reading the few posts about the books listed
> (whatever came from Amazon and such). I'm thinking
> about getting a few books for my department, but after
> re-reading some of the things you guys are saying, I'm
> not so sure about which books are worth getting.
>
> Is there anything on the list that I *should* get for
> general department use?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -X
>
For Object-Relational Concepts I recommend
Paul Brown's book:
Object-Relational Database Development, A Plumber's Guide
and his book w/Stonebraker:
Object-Relational DBMS
Very unfortunately the plumbers guide is Informix 9 (RIP)
specific in it's syntax but the concepts are solid.
For the other, it is important to remember to underlying
concepts that created postgres in the first place.
Both are must reads, imho, for anyone developing postgresql
and for users who need conceptual insights rather than
syntax and usage guides.
elein
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