Thread: What if?
What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook out once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form of $$ (not code or a programmer). Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used for developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever. Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking account, <insert reason>)? Yes/no/maybe?
Mike Ellsworth wrote: > What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook > out once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form > of $$ (not code or a programmer). > > Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used > for developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever. > > Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking > account, <insert reason>)? > > Yes/no/maybe? Yes... you can via the SPI (software in the public interest) account. Joshua D. Drake > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq >
Or you can fund someone to complete TODO entries, even someone in your home country. You can also fund travel expenses for conferences we attend. And there is a 10th anniversary fund that needs help. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Ellsworth wrote: > What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook out > once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form of $$ > (not code or a programmer). > > Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used for > developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever. > > Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking > account, <insert reason>)? > > Yes/no/maybe? > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us SRA OSS, Inc. http://www.sraoss.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Actually I have U$S 300 to donate, but I can't remember why someone told me to stop that payment, and wait for something (that also I can't remember).
How do I trigger a payment via the SPI ?
Not too much money, but for the time, there was a need for the www search box, afaik, now ready as I'd read on other lists.
So, the money is there. Just ask for it or describe the SPI thing (too tired at the moment to google about)
Regards,
Guido
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How do I trigger a payment via the SPI ?
Not too much money, but for the time, there was a need for the www search box, afaik, now ready as I'd read on other lists.
So, the money is there. Just ask for it or describe the SPI thing (too tired at the moment to google about)
Regards,
Guido
On 2/28/06, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
Mike Ellsworth wrote:
> What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook
> out once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form
> of $$ (not code or a programmer).
>
> Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used
> for developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever.
>
> Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking
> account, <insert reason>)?
>
> Yes/no/maybe?
Yes... you can via the SPI (software in the public interest) account.
Joshua D. Drake
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Mike Ellsworth wrote: >> What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook out >> once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form of $$ (not >> code or a programmer). >> >> Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used for >> developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever. >> >> Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking >> account, <insert reason>)? >> >> Yes/no/maybe? > Yes... you can via the SPI (software in the public interest) account. Do we have that linked to from anywhere yet? Is it "fully operational"? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
----- Original Message ----- From: Guido Barosio <gbarosio@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] What if? To: "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> Cc: nhrcommu@rochester.rr.com, pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org > Actually I have U$S 300 to donate, but I can't remember why someone > told me > to stop that payment, and wait for something (that also I can't > remember). > How do I trigger a payment via the SPI ? > > Not too much money, but for the time, there was a need for the www > searchbox, afaik, now ready as I'd read on other lists. > > So, the money is there. Just ask for it or describe the SPI thing > (too tired > at the moment to google about) > > Regards, > Guido Guido, I'll match your contribution if they will tell us how. :-) All I need is a Pay to: and a mailing address.
Mike, > What if I knew someone that would be willing to pull their checkbook out > once a quarter and make a contribution to PostgreSQL in the form of $$ > (not code or a programmer). > > Real simple. No PayPal, no t-shirts. Just $$, which could be used for > developer bonus/interns/tools ... or whatever. > > Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking > account, <insert reason>)? > > Yes/no/maybe? Yes. You can make out a check to "Software in the Public Interest / Attention: PostgreSQL Fund". http://www.spi-inc.org/donations Money will be used for: infrastructure costs, promotion materials, legal fees and/or developer sponsorships, and governance over these funds is currently being organized (you're likely to become a member just by virture of donating). We are not able to accept designated gifts at this time. We'll have a Donor Page up RSN. Note that this is for the US and Canada only. Donors in France, Japan and Australia have local PostgreSQL organizations; donors elsewhere need to set one up! -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 02:26:25PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > Yes. You can make out a check to "Software in the Public Interest / > Attention: PostgreSQL Fund". http://www.spi-inc.org/donations Money > will be used for: infrastructure costs, promotion materials, legal fees > and/or developer sponsorships, and governance over these funds is > currently being organized (you're likely to become a member just by > virture of donating). We are not able to accept designated gifts at this > time. > > We'll have a Donor Page up RSN. > > Note that this is for the US and Canada only. Donors in France, Japan and > Australia have local PostgreSQL organizations; donors elsewhere need to > set one up! While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people from other countries to donate. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
> > >While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support >Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people >from other countries to donate. > > I don't think we actually support paypal now do we? Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:06:10PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > >While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support > >Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people > >from other countries to donate. > > > > > I don't think we actually support paypal now do we? Hit 'donation' from http://postgresql.org. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:07:15PM -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:06:10PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > > > > >While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support > > >Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people > > >from other countries to donate. > > > > > > > > I don't think we actually support paypal now do we? > > Hit 'donation' from http://postgresql.org. And where does this money go if not to SPI? --elein elein@varlena.com > -- > Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com > Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 > vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend >
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:10:33PM -0800, elein wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:07:15PM -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:06:10PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support > > > >Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people > > > >from other countries to donate. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we actually support paypal now do we? > > > > Hit 'donation' from http://postgresql.org. > > And where does this money go if not to SPI? What you see when you hit the paypal link... Pay To: PostgreSQL Infrastructure Fund Payment For: PostgreSQL Bandwidth & Infrastructure Fund -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:10:33PM -0800, elein wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:07:15PM -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:06:10PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While SPI is great and all that, I hope that we continue to support >>>>> Paypal, since it's easier than writing a check and should allow people >>>>> from other countries to donate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't think we actually support paypal now do we? >>> >>> Hit 'donation' from http://postgresql.org. >> >> And where does this money go if not to SPI? > > What you see when you hit the paypal link... > > Pay To: PostgreSQL Infrastructure Fund > Payment For: PostgreSQL Bandwidth & Infrastructure Fund Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it states ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it > states ... BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting business than they know what to do with... -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
Jim, > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > business than they know what to do with... That's actually a potential legal issue. Since the PostgreSQL Fund is part of a 501(c)3, it's currently unclear if that kind of sponsored development is legal. currently unclear == I asked 3 attorneys and one IRS agent and got 5 different opinions. --Josh -- __Aglio Database Solutions_______________ Josh Berkus Consultant josh@agliodbs.com www.agliodbs.com Ph: 415-752-2500 Fax: 415-752-2387 2166 Hayes Suite 200 San Francisco, CA
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:20PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > Jim, > > > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > > business than they know what to do with... > > That's actually a potential legal issue. Since the PostgreSQL Fund is part > of a 501(c)3, it's currently unclear if that kind of sponsored development > is legal. > > currently unclear == I asked 3 attorneys and one IRS agent and got 5 > different opinions. Sure... I know how tricky 501(c)3 is, having seen some of the process distributed.net went through to get it's status. But, there's plenty of folks who probably don't care a wit about the deduction. Of course, this does mean having two means of donating, but it could be well worth it. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it >> states ... > > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > business than they know what to do with... Which is why the 'donate' link will be replaced with one to SPI as soon as Josh is ready ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
1) Note that the title for "Donate" ( http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ) page prays for:
"Help Pay Bandwidth Costs for the PostgreSQL Project"
..and doesn't seems to fit this discussion :)
2) The donate (should be www list) link is not present in the About menu on the left.
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"Help Pay Bandwidth Costs for the PostgreSQL Project"
..and doesn't seems to fit this discussion :)
2) The donate (should be www list) link is not present in the About menu on the left.
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On 3/1/06, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it
>> states ...
>
> BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the
> development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that
> most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting
> business than they know what to do with...
Which is why the 'donate' link will be replaced with one to SPI as soon as
Josh is ready ...
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>>ation' from http://postgresql.org. >> >> > >And where does this money go if not to SPI? > > Well the page says it all. All monies donated via the website donate link go directly to Hub.Org. As does the advertising revenue. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake >--elein >elein@varlena.com > > > >>-- >>Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com >>Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 >>vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 >> >>---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >>TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend >> >> >> > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > > >
Jim >Sure... I know how tricky 501(c)3 is, having seen some of the process >distributed.net went through to get it's status. But, there's plenty of >folks who probably don't care a wit about the deduction. Of course, this >does mean having two means of donating, but it could be well worth it. > > Believe me... folks care about the deduction :) Joshua D. Drake
Josh, > Well the page says it all. All monies donated via the website donate > link go directly to Hub.Org. As does > the advertising revenue. Currently, yes, although 50% of those funds (possibly after taxes) are going to SPI:The PostgreSQL Fund as soon as we organize a committee and request them from Marc. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > Josh, > > >> Well the page says it all. All monies donated via the website donate >> link go directly to Hub.Org. As does >> the advertising revenue. >> > > Currently, yes, although 50% of those funds (possibly after taxes) are going > to SPI:The PostgreSQL Fund as soon as we organize a committee and request > them from Marc. > I wasn't commenting on how the money is distributed... I assumed everything was preordained at some point in the past :)... I was just stating what the website says. J -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: PLphp, PLperl - http://www.commandprompt.com/
> >>ation' from http://postgresql.org. > >> > >> > > > >And where does this money go if not to SPI? > > > > > Well the page says it all. All monies donated via the website > donate link go directly to Hub.Org. As does the advertising revenue. Actually, looking at that site, I think we need to reprase it a bit. It now says "As many of you know, PostgreSQL's web and mail hosting is donated by Hub.org." Which is not true - the absolute majority of the webhosting is handled by other providers than hub.org. OTOH, hub handles cvs hosting, and perhaps some more as well? Perhaps we should create a separate page listing what companies provide infrastructure hosting (since other servers are sponsored by ephg, pervasive, cmdprompt and maybe some others) and at what level? Also, that page refers to the postgresql foundation. Someone told me that was not happening, but I can't recall if I heard something official on it. Should the reference go away? //Magnus
Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 10:18 schrieb Magnus Hagander: > Perhaps we should create a separate page listing what companies provide > infrastructure hosting (since other servers are sponsored by ephg, > pervasive, cmdprompt and maybe some others) and at what level? Something like http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi would be nice. Doesn't have to be quite that involved, but a list of machines, locations, and sponsoring parties would both assign praise and accountability. > Also, that page refers to the postgresql foundation. Someone told me > that was not happening, but I can't recall if I heard something official > on it. Should the reference go away? Yes. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Josh Berkus wrote:
If sending a check, it needs to be made out to : "Software in the Public Interest"
In the Memo area of the paper check: "Attention: PostgreSQL Fund"
They also have an option to donate via Credit Card (AMEX, VISA, MC or Discover).
If you go this route, you can specify how to direct the funds. Note that they nick the amount by 3%.
They also have a Bank wire option within the site.
Thanks,
Mike
Probably need a tad of clarification on what is above.Mike,Is there a way to do that or is this not possible (IRS, no checking account, <insert reason>)? Yes/no/maybe?Yes. You can make out a check to "Software in the Public Interest / Attention: PostgreSQL Fund". http://www.spi-inc.org/donations Money will be used for: infrastructure costs, promotion materials, legal fees and/or developer sponsorships, and governance over these funds is currently being organized (you're likely to become a member just by virture of donating). We are not able to accept designated gifts at this time. We'll have a Donor Page up RSN. Note that this is for the US and Canada only. Donors in France, Japan and Australia have local PostgreSQL organizations; donors elsewhere need to set one up!
If sending a check, it needs to be made out to : "Software in the Public Interest"
In the Memo area of the paper check: "Attention: PostgreSQL Fund"
They also have an option to donate via Credit Card (AMEX, VISA, MC or Discover).
If you go this route, you can specify how to direct the funds. Note that they nick the amount by 3%.
They also have a Bank wire option within the site.
Thanks,
Mike
Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 14:19 schrieb Mike Ellsworth: > In the Memo area of the paper check: "Attention: PostgreSQL Fund" I'm not sure who came up with the entity "PostgreSQL Fund"; it doesn't exist as such. The instructions are to write the name of the project in the memo area, so "PostgreSQL" would be it. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Oh well, too late for my transaction and I'm unsure how long it takes for credit card transactions to be appropriately credited. One more thing to attempt to track for the PG "money manager".
Crystal clear instructions on the site would be a good idea, to include a couple of instruction/Chris Doe gif's. Visuals can help to make it a no-brainer.
Thanks,
Mike
Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 14:19 schrieb Mike Ellsworth:In the Memo area of the paper check: "Attention: PostgreSQL Fund"I'm not sure who came up with the entity "PostgreSQL Fund"; it doesn't exist as such. The instructions are to write the name of the project in the memo area, so "PostgreSQL" would be it.
Oh well, too late for my transaction and I'm unsure how long it takes for credit card transactions to be appropriately credited. One more thing to attempt to track for the PG "money manager".
Crystal clear instructions on the site would be a good idea, to include a couple of instruction/Chris Doe gif's. Visuals can help to make it a no-brainer.
Thanks,
Mike
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:23:45 -0600, "Jim C. Nasby" <jnasby@pervasive.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it > > states ... > > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > business than they know what to do with... That might be better handled by a bounty page.
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 13:14, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:23:45 -0600,
>
> "Jim C. Nasby" <jnasby@pervasive.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it
> > > states ...
> >
> > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the
> > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that
> > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting
> > business than they know what to do with...
>
> That might be better handled by a bounty page.
>
We could make a "pledges" section of the TODO list, however there still tends
to be issues around collection and dispersement. Check the archives/google
for more info regarding refractions.net and some recent gis improvements
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On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:43:25PM -0500, Robert Treat wrote: > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 13:14, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 18:23:45 -0600, > > > > "Jim C. Nasby" <jnasby@pervasive.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it > > > > states ... > > > > > > BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > > > development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > > > most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > > > business than they know what to do with... > > > > That might be better handled by a bounty page. > > > > We could make a "pledges" section of the TODO list, however there still tends > to be issues around collection and dispersement. Check the archives/google > for more info regarding refractions.net and some recent gis improvements Yeah, this is absolutely more complex than simply accepting donations, so it would require some more work. There are actually groups we could go to that handle stuff like this, such as http://fundable.org/. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:56:39PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > > >On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >>Which has generated, on average, $50/mo and has gone exactly to what it > >>states ... > > > >BTW, I bet we'd get a LOT more $$ if people could donate towards the > >development of specific TODO items. Of course the issue there is that > >most folks capable of working on TODO items have more consulting > >business than they know what to do with... > > Which is why the 'donate' link will be replaced with one to SPI as soon as > Josh is ready ... Except that I think it would be a mistake to drop PayPal as an option. It's so incredibly easy for anyone with a paypal account to donate that it's easy to get 'drive-by donations'. Writing a check or even doing a credit card payment as a lot more troublesome. Paypal also allows people in a lot more countries to donate. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461