Thread: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Chander Ganesan
Date:
Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...

926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
wording)

925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
wording)

And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make no 
mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that forum.

Which raises another question....
- We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to 
PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to 
date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct 
relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me wonder...)

I'm just trying to be a good boy :-)

Thanks

-- 
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Open Technology Group, Inc.
One Copley Parkway, Suite 210
Morrisville, NC  27560
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Bruce Momjian
Date:
Chander Ganesan wrote:
> Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...

I see no replied to you so ...

> 926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
> wording)
> 
> 925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
> wording)
> 
> And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make no 
> mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that forum.
> 
> Which raises another question....
> - We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to 
> PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to 
> date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct 
> relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me wonder...)

No, the class should have a serious emphasis on Postgres to be listed.

Sorry what are the titles of those numbered events?  867 and 868

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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Chander Ganesan
Date:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Chander Ganesan wrote:
>   
>> Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...
>>     
>
> I see no replied to you so ...
>
>   
>> 926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
>> wording)
>>
>> 925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
>> wording)
>>
>> And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make no 
>> mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that forum.
>>
>> Which raises another question....
>> - We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to 
>> PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to 
>> date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct 
>> relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me wonder...)
>>     
>
> No, the class should have a serious emphasis on Postgres to be listed.
>
> Sorry what are the titles of those numbered events?  867 and 868
>   
"Formation MapServer, moteur cartographique" are the titles, the URL's are:

http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.867
http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.868

-- 
Chander Ganesan
Open Technology Group, Inc.
One Copley Parkway, Suite 210
Morrisville, NC  27560
877-258-8987/919-463-0999
http://www.otg-nc.com



Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Bruce Momjian
Date:
Chander Ganesan wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Chander Ganesan wrote:
> >   
> >> Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...
> >>     
> >
> > I see no replied to you so ...
> >
> >   
> >> 926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
> >> wording)
> >>
> >> 925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly different 
> >> wording)
> >>
> >> And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make no 
> >> mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that forum.
> >>
> >> Which raises another question....
> >> - We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to 
> >> PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to 
> >> date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct 
> >> relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me wonder...)
> >>     
> >
> > No, the class should have a serious emphasis on Postgres to be listed.
> >
> > Sorry what are the titles of those numbered events?  867 and 868
> >   
> "Formation MapServer, moteur cartographique" are the titles, the URL's are:
> 
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.867
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.868

Not being in English, I am not sure how we could evaluate it.

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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Guido Barosio
Date:
Cartographic Engine, AFAIK

Gb.

2009/8/9, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>:
> Chander Ganesan wrote:
>> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> > Chander Ganesan wrote:
>> >
>> >> Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...
>> >>
>> >
>> > I see no replied to you so ...
>> >
>> >
>> >> 926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly
>> >> different
>> >> wording)
>> >>
>> >> 925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly
>> >> different
>> >> wording)
>> >>
>> >> And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make
>> >> no
>> >> mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that
>> >> forum.
>> >>
>> >> Which raises another question....
>> >> - We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to
>> >> PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to
>> >> date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct
>> >> relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me
>> >> wonder...)
>> >>
>> >
>> > No, the class should have a serious emphasis on Postgres to be listed.
>> >
>> > Sorry what are the titles of those numbered events?  867 and 868
>> >
>> "Formation MapServer, moteur cartographique" are the titles, the URL's
>> are:
>>
>> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.867
>> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.868
>
> Not being in English, I am not sure how we could evaluate it.
>
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Bruce Momjian
Date:
Guido Barosio wrote:
> Cartographic Engine, AFAIK

How much is that class tied to Postgres?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


> 
> Gb.
> 
> 2009/8/9, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>:
> > Chander Ganesan wrote:
> >> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >> > Chander Ganesan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Continuent seems to have all of their events duplicated...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I see no replied to you so ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> 926 and 929 appear to be the same events (though with slightly
> >> >> different
> >> >> wording)
> >> >>
> >> >> 925 and 928 appear to be the same events (though with slightly
> >> >> different
> >> >> wording)
> >> >>
> >> >> And..in regard to my previous email, 867 and 868 are events that make
> >> >> no
> >> >> mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS, and seem inappropriate for that
> >> >> forum.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which raises another question....
> >> >> - We offer Python courses which cover the PsycoPG interface to
> >> >> PostgreSQL.  Would those be appropriate events for postgresql.org (to
> >> >> date, we haven't posted such events, since I don't see the direct
> >> >> relevance, but the approval of events such as 867 and 868 make me
> >> >> wonder...)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No, the class should have a serious emphasis on Postgres to be listed.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry what are the titles of those numbered events?  867 and 868
> >> >
> >> "Formation MapServer, moteur cartographique" are the titles, the URL's
> >> are:
> >>
> >> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.867
> >> http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.868
> >
> > Not being in English, I am not sure how we could evaluate it.
> >
> > --
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Guillaume Smet
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> Guido Barosio wrote:
>> Cartographic Engine, AFAIK
>
> How much is that class tied to Postgres?

It seems that they use PostgreSQL as the underlying GIS database as
the class requires knowledge of PostgreSQL.

-- 
Guillaume


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Bruce Momjian
Date:
Guillaume Smet wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> > Guido Barosio wrote:
> >> Cartographic Engine, AFAIK
> >
> > How much is that class tied to Postgres?
> 
> It seems that they use PostgreSQL as the underlying GIS database as
> the class requires knowledge of PostgreSQL.

OK, interesting.  That technically is not a Postgres training event. 
Should it be removed?

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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> Guillaume Smet wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>> > Guido Barosio wrote:
>> >> Cartographic Engine, AFAIK
>> >
>> > How much is that class tied to Postgres?
>>
>> It seems that they use PostgreSQL as the underlying GIS database as
>> the class requires knowledge of PostgreSQL.
>
> OK, interesting.  That technically is not a Postgres training event.
> Should it be removed?

No, it meets with our policy.

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Chander Ganesan
Date:
Dave Page wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>   
>> Guillaume Smet wrote:
>>     
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Bruce Momjian<bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Guido Barosio wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Cartographic Engine, AFAIK
>>>>>           
>>>> How much is that class tied to Postgres?
>>>>         
>>> It seems that they use PostgreSQL as the underlying GIS database as
>>> the class requires knowledge of PostgreSQL.
>>>       
>> OK, interesting.  That technically is not a Postgres training event.
>> Should it be removed?
>>     
>
> No, it meets with our policy.
Is that because the posted link goes to a totally different course/event 
(a PostGIS course)?

Essentially, what has happened here is that they've listed a MapServer 
course, but provided the link to their PostGIS course (which, I think, 
is offered the previous week).  The appropriate link for the event 
they've posted (as evidenced by the course dates) 
(http://www.anaska.com/formations/formation-mapserver-mise-en-place-d-un-moteur-cartographique-avec-mapserver.php) 
makes no reference to PostGIS/PostgreSQL anywhere, and makes no mention 
of PostGIS in the course description.  This is further evidenced by the 
matching course dates on the correct link (and lack thereof on the 
posted link).

To summarize, an event is posted that makes no reference to PostgreSQL 
or PostGIS in its description on .org, and makes no reference to PostGIS 
or PostgreSQL on the course "description" web site. 

The only thing I see here is that they've posted a course unrelated to 
PostGIS, but have provided a link to a PostGIS course...  Probably not 
something a moderator would notice at a glance...  Chances are this is 
just a copy-paste error, but still, IMHO its not a related event.  
Perhaps if something there made some mention of PostgreSQL or PostGIS at 
least.

Perhaps the policy should be amended to make it clear that the course 
title or description should make some reference to or indicate how it is 
PostgreSQL related.  That would at least make it easier for moderators 
to glance at a posting and immediately see the relevance..

Thank You

-- 
Chander Ganesan
Open Technology Group, Inc.
One Copley Parkway, Suite 210
Morrisville, NC  27560
919-463-0999/877-258-8987
http://www.otg-nc.com



Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chander Ganesan<chander@otg-nc.com> wrote:

>> No, it meets with our policy.
>
> Is that because the posted link goes to a totally different course/event (a
> PostGIS course)?

No, it's because Guillaume said the course uses PostgreSQL and
requires knowledge of it, and our policy says:

"All items must relate to PostgreSQL in some direct and obvious way."

If the text contains links to different courses, then of course, it
must be corrected, and then meet the requirements of the policy to be
listed. As someone who doesn't speak more than the most basic French,
I have to rely on Guillaume's interpretation/translation.

-- 
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Guillaume Smet
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
> If the text contains links to different courses, then of course, it
> must be corrected, and then meet the requirements of the policy to be
> listed. As someone who doesn't speak more than the most basic French,
> I have to rely on Guillaume's interpretation/translation.

The presentation of the course on their website doesn't mention
PostgreSQL at all, as Chander mentioned it.

On the PostgreSQL website, there is the following mention in their
event description:
"== PRE-REQUIS ==

Connaissances de base de PostgreSQL"

which can be translated to:

"== PREREQUISITES ==

Basic knowledge of PostgreSQL"

I suppose that it's because they use PostgreSQL as the MapServer
backend but that's a supposition and that may be too unrelated for our
policy.

On their websites, the prerequisites are PHP and basic knowledge of
cartographic formats.

-- 
Guillaume


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Guillaume Smet<guillaume.smet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
>> If the text contains links to different courses, then of course, it
>> must be corrected, and then meet the requirements of the policy to be
>> listed. As someone who doesn't speak more than the most basic French,
>> I have to rely on Guillaume's interpretation/translation.
>
> The presentation of the course on their website doesn't mention
> PostgreSQL at all, as Chander mentioned it.
>
> On the PostgreSQL website, there is the following mention in their
> event description:
> "== PRE-REQUIS ==
>
> Connaissances de base de PostgreSQL"
>
> which can be translated to:
>
> "== PREREQUISITES ==
>
> Basic knowledge of PostgreSQL"
>
> I suppose that it's because they use PostgreSQL as the MapServer
> backend but that's a supposition and that may be too unrelated for our
> policy.

I think it's related enough, though I'd like to see the same
requirements reflected in their website.

FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
what I mean :-)

-- 
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Chander Ganesan
Date:
Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Guillaume Smet<guillaume.smet@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Dave Page<dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> If the text contains links to different courses, then of course, it
>>> must be corrected, and then meet the requirements of the policy to be
>>> listed. As someone who doesn't speak more than the most basic French,
>>> I have to rely on Guillaume's interpretation/translation.
>>>       
>> The presentation of the course on their website doesn't mention
>> PostgreSQL at all, as Chander mentioned it.
>>
>> On the PostgreSQL website, there is the following mention in their
>> event description:
>> "== PRE-REQUIS ==
>>
>> Connaissances de base de PostgreSQL"
>>
>> which can be translated to:
>>
>> "== PREREQUISITES ==
>>
>> Basic knowledge of PostgreSQL"
>>
>> I suppose that it's because they use PostgreSQL as the MapServer
>> backend but that's a supposition and that may be too unrelated for our
>> policy.
>>     
>
> I think it's related enough, though I'd like to see the same
> requirements reflected in their website.
>
> FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> what I mean :-)
>
>   
The problem I see is that it opens the events page up to lots of things 
that are fairly unrelated to PostgreSQL.  For example, a Python course 
that teaches users how to interface with PostgreSQL, a PHP course that 
does the same, Perl training, etc...

IMHO, people who go to the training page are looking for PostgreSQL 
training, they might be discouraged by a large number of "noise" courses 
that are barely related to PostgreSQL.  I think it's unlikely that 
someone would browse to that page to see "how diverse the range of 
activities are"....  It's unlikely that someone would go to the 
PostgreSQL.org site looking for MapServer training....

-- 
Chander Ganesan
Open Technology Group, Inc.
One Copley Parkway, Suite 210
Morrisville, NC 27560
919-463-0999/877-258-8987
http://www.otg-nc.com 



Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:16 -0400, Chander Ganesan wrote:

> > FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> > PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> > in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> > of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> > what I mean :-)
> >
> >
> The problem I see is that it opens the events page up to lots of things
> that are fairly unrelated to PostgreSQL.  For example, a Python course
> that teaches users how to interface with PostgreSQL, a PHP course that
> does the same, Perl training, etc...
>
> IMHO, people who go to the training page are looking for PostgreSQL
> training, they might be discouraged by a large number of "noise" courses
> that are barely related to PostgreSQL.  I think it's unlikely that
> someone would browse to that page to see "how diverse the range of
> activities are"....  It's unlikely that someone would go to the
> PostgreSQL.org site looking for MapServer training....

Well we are an inclusive community, which means if it pertains to
PostgreSQL we list it. However, I definitely think we need some way to
delineate if it is a "PostgreSQL" training or a secondary training that
includes PostgreSQL such as you list above.

Not sure how best to do that.

Joshua D. Drake



>
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> Morrisville, NC 27560
> 919-463-0999/877-258-8987
> http://www.otg-nc.com
>
>
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
> FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> what I mean :-)

Oh.  I just bounced a Postgres Plus Advanced Server training submission
from the website based on the policy.  Should I not have done so?

What's our stance on training/events/news for forked versions?

-- 
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PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
www.pgexperts.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
>> PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
>> in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
>> of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
>> what I mean :-)
>
> Oh.  I just bounced a Postgres Plus Advanced Server training submission
> from the website based on the policy.  Should I not have done so?

Well for obvious reasons I'd like to say yes, but PPAS != PostgreSQL,
which is what the policy requires the training be related to.

That said - Postgres Plus Standard Server *is* pure PostgreSQL (plus a
bunch of useful add-ons like Slony, PostGIS etc), so I don't think
PPSS training should be bounced, should it be posted.

> What's our stance on training/events/news for forked versions?

I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> >> PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> >> in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> >> of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> >> what I mean :-)
> >
> > Oh.  I just bounced a Postgres Plus Advanced Server training submission
> > from the website based on the policy.  Should I not have done so?
>
> Well for obvious reasons I'd like to say yes, but PPAS != PostgreSQL,
> which is what the policy requires the training be related to.
>
> That said - Postgres Plus Standard Server *is* pure PostgreSQL (plus a
> bunch of useful add-ons like Slony, PostGIS etc), so I don't think
> PPSS training should be bounced, should it be posted.
>
> > What's our stance on training/events/news for forked versions?
>
> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.

Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?

Joshua D. Drake


>
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>
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.
>
> Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?

Is it a fork, or an add-on like Slony? If the latter, I'd say yes, it
should be included as it's clearly centered around 'pure' PostgreSQL.
If the former, then, well, no.

I'm just one opinion though - others (including you) may disagree.

-- 
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Ron Mayer
Date:
Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>>> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.
>> Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?
> 
> Is it a fork, or an add-on like Slony? If the latter, I'd say yes, it
> should be included as it's clearly centered around 'pure' PostgreSQL.
> If the former, then, well, no.
> 
> I'm just one opinion though - others (including you) may disagree.

How about a separate section for forks whether Open Source (HadoopDB)
or not (EnterpriseDB) as well as whether closely related
ones (Postgres Plus) or distantly related ones (Netezza).

I think one of the neatest strengths of selling the use of
Postgres (over, say, MySQL or microsoft's) is the wide range
of forks that a company can grow into if they feel any
particular need down the road.

I wonder if our community website embraced the proprietary
forks more, people new to the project (say, CFOs) would be
quicker to see that this is mature high-end serious technology.





Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Ron Mayer<rm_pg@cheapcomplexdevices.com> wrote:
> How about a separate section for forks whether Open Source (HadoopDB)
> or not (EnterpriseDB) as well as whether closely related
> ones (Postgres Plus) or distantly related ones (Netezza).
>
> I think one of the neatest strengths of selling the use of
> Postgres (over, say, MySQL or microsoft's) is the wide range
> of forks that a company can grow into if they feel any
> particular need down the road.
>
> I wonder if our community website embraced the proprietary
> forks more, people new to the project (say, CFOs) would be
> quicker to see that this is mature high-end serious technology.

I'm all for showing with diversity and breadth of the PostgreSQL
community and technology, but showcasing all of these things without
making it hard for people to find things will clutter the site and
make it had for people to find things as Chander suggested. I think
until we come up with a better way of presenting this information, we
need to find a middle ground.

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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:11 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> >> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.
> >
> > Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?
>
> Is it a fork, or an add-on like Slony? If the latter, I'd say yes, it
> should be included as it's clearly centered around 'pure' PostgreSQL.
> If the former, then, well, no.

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Mammoth is pure
PostgreSQL with Replication added in (meaning the only thing we add is
replication).

>
> I'm just one opinion though - others (including you) may disagree.
>

I have never been known to keep my opinion to myself :P. I was more
looking at it from the Open Source / Not Open Source perspective.

Joshua D. Drake


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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:11 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
>> >> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.
>> >
>> > Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?
>>
>> Is it a fork, or an add-on like Slony? If the latter, I'd say yes, it
>> should be included as it's clearly centered around 'pure' PostgreSQL.
>> If the former, then, well, no.
>
> Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Mammoth is pure
> PostgreSQL with Replication added in (meaning the only thing we add is
> replication).

Meaning it's not pure PostgreSQL anymore :-p

>>
>> I'm just one opinion though - others (including you) may disagree.
>>
>
> I have never been known to keep my opinion to myself :P. I was more
> looking at it from the Open Source / Not Open Source perspective.

The way you asked it sounded like you thought it was my sole decision
- I know you didn't, but others might not.


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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:16 -0400, Chander Ganesan wrote:

> > FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> > PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> > in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> > of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> > what I mean :-)
> >
> >   
> The problem I see is that it opens the events page up to lots of things 
> that are fairly unrelated to PostgreSQL.  For example, a Python course 
> that teaches users how to interface with PostgreSQL, a PHP course that 
> does the same, Perl training, etc...
> 
> IMHO, people who go to the training page are looking for PostgreSQL 
> training, they might be discouraged by a large number of "noise" courses 
> that are barely related to PostgreSQL.  I think it's unlikely that 
> someone would browse to that page to see "how diverse the range of 
> activities are"....  It's unlikely that someone would go to the 
> PostgreSQL.org site looking for MapServer training....

Well we are an inclusive community, which means if it pertains to
PostgreSQL we list it. However, I definitely think we need some way to
delineate if it is a "PostgreSQL" training or a secondary training that
includes PostgreSQL such as you list above.

Not sure how best to do that.

Joshua D. Drake


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> 
> 
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> >
> >> FYI, my view is that we should include any training events in which
> >> PostgreSQL is a part of the technology stack and will be used directly
> >> in some way. It helps show the visitors to our site the diverse range
> >> of activities and applications in use around the project. If you see
> >> what I mean :-)
> >
> > Oh.  I just bounced a Postgres Plus Advanced Server training submission
> > from the website based on the policy.  Should I not have done so?
> 
> Well for obvious reasons I'd like to say yes, but PPAS != PostgreSQL,
> which is what the policy requires the training be related to.
> 
> That said - Postgres Plus Standard Server *is* pure PostgreSQL (plus a
> bunch of useful add-ons like Slony, PostGIS etc), so I don't think
> PPSS training should be bounced, should it be posted.
> 
> > What's our stance on training/events/news for forked versions?
> 
> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.

Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?

Joshua D. Drake


> 
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> Dave Page
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> 
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Re: Duplicate Events (and other stuff)..

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:11 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joshua D. Drake<jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:50 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> >> I would say no to forks, but yes to alternate distros.
> >
> > Where does Mammoth fall as it is Open Source?
> 
> Is it a fork, or an add-on like Slony? If the latter, I'd say yes, it
> should be included as it's clearly centered around 'pure' PostgreSQL.
> If the former, then, well, no.

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. Mammoth is pure
PostgreSQL with Replication added in (meaning the only thing we add is
replication).

> 
> I'm just one opinion though - others (including you) may disagree.
> 

I have never been known to keep my opinion to myself :P. I was more
looking at it from the Open Source / Not Open Source perspective.

Joshua D. Drake


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