Thread: Developers globe
OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
>
> As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the
> location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives.
Would a 'flat-map' be more friendly? Just looking at it right now, and
I'm on a T1 at work, and its "stalled"...and altho I can see the red dot
around Toronto, its "Faint"...
Marc G. Fournier
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
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> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. > > > > As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the > > location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives. > > Would a 'flat-map' be more friendly? Just looking at it right now, and > I'm on a T1 at work, and its "stalled"...and altho I can see the red dot > around Toronto, its "Faint"... That may be better. I can make it larger, or can someone send me a flat earth map to use. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the
developers name around the red circle.
-Egon
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
> >
> > As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the
> > location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives.
>
> Would a 'flat-map' be more friendly? Just looking at it right now, and
> I'm on a T1 at work, and its "stalled"...and altho I can see the red dot
> around Toronto, its "Faint"...
>
> Marc G. Fournier
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>
>
>
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Egon Schmid wrote:
> Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the
> developers name around the red circle.
Want to build up a sample of what you are proposing and let us see it?
>
> -Egon
>
> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
> > >
> > > As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the
> > > location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives.
> >
> > Would a 'flat-map' be more friendly? Just looking at it right now, and
> > I'm on a T1 at work, and its "stalled"...and altho I can see the red dot
> > around Toronto, its "Faint"...
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> >
> >
> >
>
Marc G. Fournier
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On 08-Mar-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Egon Schmid wrote:
>
>> Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the
>> developers name around the red circle.
>
> Want to build up a sample of what you are proposing and let us see it?
Look at the national directory on camping-usa. The map was drawn with
lon-lat coordinates for the US and each state and the red dots were put
in place with lon-lat coords. (The clickable map translates the XY to
lon-lat) I don't know how you'd put names in it, tho, without making
the image rather large.
Vince.
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> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Egon Schmid wrote: > > > Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the > > developers name around the red circle. > > Want to build up a sample of what you are proposing and let us see it? Yes, I can do that with xearth. Very easy. But xearth produces a very large image, not really proper for a browser, unless we forget the rotation, and just grab western and eastern hemisphere images and put the names on there. With names, that is going to be a large image. Do we want that? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
I have seen xearth on my Debian system with the most Debian maintainers spread around the globe. I think there is a flag for project so no htere is no need to put western and eastern hemispheres together. xearth is trimmed to run in a X Windows background. -Egon On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Egon Schmid wrote: > > > > > Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the > > > developers name around the red circle. > > > > Want to build up a sample of what you are proposing and let us see it? > > Yes, I can do that with xearth. Very easy. But xearth produces a very > large image, not really proper for a browser, unless we forget the > rotation, and just grab western and eastern hemisphere images and put > the names on there. > > With names, that is going to be a large image. Do we want that? > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle > maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue > + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026 >
You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and country or whatnot... On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On 08-Mar-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Egon Schmid wrote: > > > >> Wht not collect the lon and lat for xearth? Then you can stick the > >> developers name around the red circle. > > > > Want to build up a sample of what you are proposing and let us see it? > > Look at the national directory on camping-usa. The map was drawn with > lon-lat coordinates for the US and each state and the red dots were put > in place with lon-lat coords. (The clickable map translates the XY to > lon-lat) I don't know how you'd put names in it, tho, without making > the image rather large. > > Vince. > -- > ========================================================================== > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null > # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 > Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com > Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com > ========================================================================== > > Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On 08-Mar-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> country or whatnot...
'cept xearth isn't using lon/lat - unless it's changed from the v1.0 source
I have here (from the 2.2.8 ports collection CD).
Vince.
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Thus spake Bruce Momjian
> > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
>
> As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the
> location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives.
Hmmm. I tried to go there but for some reason I keep getting bounced
to Saskatchewan which I assume doesn't have the updates yet. Any idea
why I don't go to the main site? After all, I'm on the same LAN basically.
It seems silly to go out to the net to a mirror.
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"D'Arcy" "J.M." Cain <darcy@druid.net> writes: > Hmmm. I tried to go there but for some reason I keep getting bounced > to Saskatchewan which I assume doesn't have the updates yet. Any idea > why I don't go to the main site? After all, I'm on the same LAN basically. > It seems silly to go out to the net to a mirror. I just figured this out yesterday: http://www.postgresql.org/ ---> redirection 'bot http://www.postgresql.org/index.html ---> master site The 'bot is good for load sharing, but when you want to see the latest updates it's a real pain. I'm glad it's possible to bypass it. regards, tom lane
> Thus spake Bruce Momjian > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. > > > > As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the > > location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives. > > Hmmm. I tried to go there but for some reason I keep getting bounced > to Saskatchewan which I assume doesn't have the updates yet. Any idea > why I don't go to the main site? After all, I'm on the same LAN basically. > It seems silly to go out to the net to a mirror. Yes. If you do: http://www.postgresql.org/index.html you are forced to the main site. Marc told me this a while ago. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > Thus spake Bruce Momjian > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. > > > > As an example, I have added Toronto to the globe, which I believe is the > > location of our server, and where D'Arcy lives. > > Hmmm. I tried to go there but for some reason I keep getting bounced > to Saskatchewan which I assume doesn't have the updates yet. Any idea > why I don't go to the main site? After all, I'm on the same LAN basically. > It seems silly to go out to the net to a mirror. Just the way the redirect software is setup...you can cheat it though: http://www.postgresql.org/index.html :) Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
> OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. OK, larger dots. I added a dot for myself and Tom Lane. Europe will be all red once I am done. Things are very imprecise at that size. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. OK, now the dot is huge. Marc, Tom Lane, and I fit in the same dot. Looks good, though. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. > > OK, now the dot is huge. Marc, Tom Lane, and I fit in the same dot. > Looks good, though. > No, Toronto/D'Arch, Tom Lane, and I are in the same dot. Marc gets his on more east than us. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. OK, I have big dots for almost everyone. How does it look. The moving of the dots is because I was sloppy, but I just wanted to do it quick to see how it looks. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> country or whatnot...
Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
pointer is over the dots.
Jan
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On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > country or whatnot...
>
> Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> pointer is over the dots.
As long as we're thinking JScript, why not pop up the name on the
mouseover? Maybe a little flag popping up on the map.
Vince.
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On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > country or whatnot...
>
> Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> pointer is over the dots.
Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :)
Marc G. Fournier
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On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
> > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > > country or whatnot...
> >
> > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> > pointer is over the dots.
>
> As long as we're thinking JScript, why not pop up the name on the
> mouseover? Maybe a little flag popping up on the map.
Hrmmmm...isn't that what he said? *grin*
How abuot this one...a world map that when you go over a country, it pops
up an expanded view of that country so that the dots aren't so
concentrated? :)
Marc G. Fournier
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On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >
> > > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > > > country or whatnot...
> > >
> > > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> > > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> > > pointer is over the dots.
> >
> > As long as we're thinking JScript, why not pop up the name on the
> > mouseover? Maybe a little flag popping up on the map.
>
> Hrmmmm...isn't that what he said? *grin*
Nope. Status line is at the bottom of the browser. I meant for the name
to pop up (or a flag to pop up) in the actual image.
>
> How abuot this one...a world map that when you go over a country, it pops
> up an expanded view of that country so that the dots aren't so
> concentrated? :)
Hmmmmm. *wheels turning*
Vince.
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On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
> > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > > country or whatnot...
> >
> > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> > pointer is over the dots.
>
> Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :)
yep. Anyone know of a tool in unix that splits up a gif into many
smaller squares (as opposed to manually cropping)?
Vince.
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> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots > > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and > > > country or whatnot... > > > > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some > > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the > > pointer is over the dots. > > Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :) No. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > Hrmmmm...isn't that what he said? *grin*
>
> Nope. Status line is at the bottom of the browser. I meant for the name
> to pop up (or a flag to pop up) in the actual image.
Right - and popping up in the image is better :-)
Jan
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>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >
> > > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > > > country or whatnot...
> > >
> > > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> > > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> > > pointer is over the dots.
> >
> > Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :)
>
> yep. Anyone know of a tool in unix that splits up a gif into many
> smaller squares (as opposed to manually cropping)?
A little script with pbm tools should do.
Jan
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>
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >
> > > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots
> > > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and
> > > > country or whatnot...
> > >
> > > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some
> > > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the
> > > pointer is over the dots.
> >
> > Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :)
>
> No.
Dunno if that's possible (popping something up in an image)
with Javascript. Maybe that must be done in an applet. Or
what Venice suggested, splitting up the image into hundred's
of peaces, putting the names into the ALT attributes and let
the browser do it. For sake not every browser show's the ALT
text when you hold the pointer over an image.
Maybe I should do some tests.
Jan
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
>
> New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like?
>
Looks great!!
Vince.
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Definitely doable...see 'http://www.nova-scotia.org', a site we played with that used javascript... On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > > > > > You don't really need nams associated iwth the dots, just make the dots > > > > > reasonably accurate...put a long/lat beside each name in the list, and > > > > > country or whatnot... > > > > > > > > Alternatively you might put a map behind it and use some > > > > Jscript to write the names into the status line when the > > > > pointer is over the dots. > > > > > > Oh, I like that one...anyone know Javascript? :) > > > > No. > > Dunno if that's possible (popping something up in an image) > with Javascript. Maybe that must be done in an applet. Or > what Venice suggested, splitting up the image into hundred's > of peaces, putting the names into the ALT attributes and let > the browser do it. For sake not every browser show's the ALT > text when you hold the pointer over an image. > > Maybe I should do some tests. > > > Jan > > -- > > #======================================================================# > # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # > # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # > #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) # > > Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
> >
> > New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like?
> >
>
> Looks great!!
Hate to be the wet blanket...throw another one of those 'Nova dots' onto
Europe, and Europe will sink :( It sort of reminds me of those old movies
dealing with Nuclear WAr..."New Brunswick, Canada...totally wiped' out,
Maine, USA...like it never existed, England...WWI and WWII failed, where
PostgreSQL succeseds" *grin*
Marc G. Fournier
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Definitely doable...see 'http://www.nova-scotia.org', a site we played > with that used javascript... And I just found a nifty little js library for doing popups. Should have a simple demo available shortly of index.html's frames. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I > > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe. > > > > > > New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like? > > > > > > > Looks great!! > > Hate to be the wet blanket...throw another one of those 'Nova dots' onto > Europe, and Europe will sink :( It sort of reminds me of those old movies > dealing with Nuclear WAr..."New Brunswick, Canada...totally wiped' out, > Maine, USA...like it never existed, England...WWI and WWII failed, where > PostgreSQL succeseds" *grin* OK, smaller stars, and fewer. Should I continue in this direction, or try something else? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Thus spake Bruce Momjian
> > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
>
> New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like?
Nice. Now we just need to fill it in. I know you have mine but just to
confirm:
43 27 02 N / 79 20 44 W
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
> > > >
> > > > New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looks great!!
> >
> > Hate to be the wet blanket...throw another one of those 'Nova dots' onto
> > Europe, and Europe will sink :( It sort of reminds me of those old movies
> > dealing with Nuclear WAr..."New Brunswick, Canada...totally wiped' out,
> > Maine, USA...like it never existed, England...WWI and WWII failed, where
> > PostgreSQL succeseds" *grin*
>
> OK, smaller stars, and fewer. Should I continue in this direction, or
> try something else?
I'd say continue, but go with "points" vs "dabs"...enough ppl get added to
that globe, there will be so much overlap of the 'dabs' that the country
borders will be indistinguishable :)
Marc G. Fournier
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> > OK, smaller stars, and fewer. Should I continue in this direction, or > > try something else? > > I'd say continue, but go with "points" vs "dabs"...enough ppl get added to > that globe, there will be so much overlap of the 'dabs' that the country > borders will be indistinguishable :) > Amazing how much better the blurred dots look compared to the regular dots. Points are too small to see. If we get more people, I will shrink the dots. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > Definitely doable...see 'http://www.nova-scotia.org', a site we played > > with that used javascript... > > And I just found a nifty little js library for doing popups. Should have > a simple demo available shortly of index.html's frames. Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I was just proving it out. http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html Mouseover on the left frame. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > > > > Definitely doable...see 'http://www.nova-scotia.org', a site we played > > > with that used javascript... > > > > And I just found a nifty little js library for doing popups. Should have > > a simple demo available shortly of index.html's frames. > > Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I > was just proving it out. > > http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html > > Mouseover on the left frame. Totally cool. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > > > OK, I have installed a rotating globe on the developers page. After I
> > > > > get all the developer locations, I will add red dots to the globe.
> > > >
> > > > New map. Gimp Nova dots. You like?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looks great!!
> >
> > Hate to be the wet blanket...throw another one of those 'Nova dots' onto
> > Europe, and Europe will sink :( It sort of reminds me of those old movies
> > dealing with Nuclear WAr..."New Brunswick, Canada...totally wiped' out,
> > Maine, USA...like it never existed, England...WWI and WWII failed, where
> > PostgreSQL succeseds" *grin*
>
> OK, smaller stars, and fewer. Should I continue in this direction, or
> try something else?
Actually I'm hacking a little around. Up to now I've
extracted the coords of the world map out of xearth and
produced a 600x250 GIF as a flat map. Having only a few
colors it's about 6K small.
Now I'm looking for spec's on animated GIF's. If I finally
understand how they are created, I could build a little
Tcl/Tk application where you can enter location (long/lat or
lookup by city) and the text to popup and Tk will create an
animated GIF where the locations are small blinking dot's
plus the required image map etc.
Just give me another day for an example.
Jan
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> > Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I > > was just proving it out. > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html > > > > Mouseover on the left frame. > > Totally cool. What about this one: http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html I've used xearth's coords for the map (a little Tcl/Tk script did it) and GIFmerge to combine two ones. Resulting gif is 6275 bytes! Then I've added overlib (thanks Venice). Only Bruce and me are on the map. Finally (if we choose it) I'll create the mentioned Tk application to manage all the dot's and the underlying map. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
> > > Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I > > > was just proving it out. > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html > > > > > > Mouseover on the left frame. > > > > Totally cool. > > What about this one: > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html > > I've used xearth's coords for the map (a little Tcl/Tk script > did it) and GIFmerge to combine two ones. Resulting gif is > 6275 bytes! > > Then I've added overlib (thanks Venice). Only Bruce and me > are on the map. Finally (if we choose it) I'll create the > mentioned Tk application to manage all the dot's and the > underlying map. I like the dots. Perhaps larger. Can you do longitute/latitude with that map. Is it linear in both directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in the tcl code. Can you use the more attractive map I am using. Your blinking dots and highlighted names are certainly better than my map. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On 10-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote: > What about this one: > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html > > I've used xearth's coords for the map (a little Tcl/Tk script > did it) and GIFmerge to combine two ones. Resulting gif is > 6275 bytes! > > Then I've added overlib (thanks Venice). Only Bruce and me > are on the map. Finally (if we choose it) I'll create the > mentioned Tk application to manage all the dot's and the > underlying map. Looks like you discovered overlib would do it's popups on top of an image while I was trying to figure out what happened to Netscape's no longer showing the XY coords of an imagemap! Looks/works great, dots could be just a touch bigger, tho. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> > > > What about this one: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html > > > > I like the dots. Perhaps larger. Larger dots, larger image. It's 10595 bytes now. > > Can you do longitute/latitude with that map. Is it linear in both > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in > the tcl code. The map was draw using the coordinates from xearth. So it is long/lat based and thus I can. It isn't linear in the x-direction. It uses a sine-function to shrink the X down the farer it's away from 0 meridian. Currently it isn't using the latitude to give it an ellipsian touch. But I could modify the algorithm that converts from xearth's x,y,z coordinates to the map's x,y. > > Can you use the more attractive map I am using. Your blinking dots and > highlighted names are certainly better than my map. That would loose the long/lat capability (except it already has it). And it would blow up the image size again, because for the animation at least two different gifs must be in it. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
> > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland
> > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in
> > the tcl code.
>
Finally I've increased the shrink factor a little. Looks
better IMHO.
Don't know how to put more color on it without adding tons of
more coordinate data. Maybe something like a transparent
looking "Postgres" text over it has more effect than any
color. I'll check, but it's enough for today. I'm off
catching some zzzzzzzz's.
BTW: Did you notice that the point's are clickable?
Jan
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> > > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland > > > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in > > > the tcl code. > > > > Finally I've increased the shrink factor a little. Looks > better IMHO. > > Don't know how to put more color on it without adding tons of > more coordinate data. Maybe something like a transparent > looking "Postgres" text over it has more effect than any > color. I'll check, but it's enough for today. I'm off > catching some zzzzzzzz's. > > BTW: Did you notice that the point's are clickable? I click on the point, and my Netscape 4.5 crashes. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > > > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland
> > > > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in
> > > > the tcl code.
> > >
> >
> > Finally I've increased the shrink factor a little. Looks
> > better IMHO.
> >
> > Don't know how to put more color on it without adding tons of
> > more coordinate data. Maybe something like a transparent
> > looking "Postgres" text over it has more effect than any
> > color. I'll check, but it's enough for today. I'm off
> > catching some zzzzzzzz's.
> >
> > BTW: Did you notice that the point's are clickable?
>
> I click on the point, and my Netscape 4.5 crashes.
Uh?
There's simply a mailto: href on them. My Netscape 4.05 pops
up the Mail window then. Maybe there's something wrong with
the href because the <> in it aren't escaped. But that
shouldn't cause Netscape to crash.
What happens if you use a normal mailto: link?
Puzzled, Jan
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On 10-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
>> > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland
>> > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in
>> > the tcl code.
>>
>
> Finally I've increased the shrink factor a little. Looks
> better IMHO.
>
> Don't know how to put more color on it without adding tons of
> more coordinate data. Maybe something like a transparent
> looking "Postgres" text over it has more effect than any
> color. I'll check, but it's enough for today. I'm off
> catching some zzzzzzzz's.
>
> BTW: Did you notice that the point's are clickable?
Yeah, for some reason mailto: crashes my browser (netscape 4.5). I think
it's got something to do with nothing being defined for any servers or
something like that.
Vince.
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> > I click on the point, and my Netscape 4.5 crashes. > > Uh? > > There's simply a mailto: href on them. My Netscape 4.05 pops > up the Mail window then. Maybe there's something wrong with > the href because the <> in it aren't escaped. But that > shouldn't cause Netscape to crash. > > What happens if you use a normal mailto: link? That explains it. Mailto crashes unless the mail window has already been opened earlier. Good idea. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
It is a (un)known problem with NS 4.5. Marc had this pleasure a couple of days before also. BTW: xearth rotates by itself in real time and there are a lot of flags to influence the behaviour and appearance. -Egon On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > Yeah, for some reason mailto: crashes my browser (netscape 4.5). I think > it's got something to do with nothing being defined for any servers or > something like that. > > Vince.
On 10-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> > I click on the point, and my Netscape 4.5 crashes.
>>
>> Uh?
>>
>> There's simply a mailto: href on them. My Netscape 4.05 pops
>> up the Mail window then. Maybe there's something wrong with
>> the href because the <> in it aren't escaped. But that
>> shouldn't cause Netscape to crash.
>>
>> What happens if you use a normal mailto: link?
>
> That explains it. Mailto crashes unless the mail window has already
> been opened earlier. Good idea.
I read on one of the FreeBSD lists today that 4.51 (linux version) still
crashes, so it's not fixed yet.
Vince.
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> > On 10-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > I click on the point, and my Netscape 4.5 crashes. > >> > >> Uh? > >> > >> There's simply a mailto: href on them. My Netscape 4.05 pops > >> up the Mail window then. Maybe there's something wrong with > >> the href because the <> in it aren't escaped. But that > >> shouldn't cause Netscape to crash. > >> > >> What happens if you use a normal mailto: link? > > > > That explains it. Mailto crashes unless the mail window has already > > been opened earlier. Good idea. > > I read on one of the FreeBSD lists today that 4.51 (linux version) still > crashes, so it's not fixed yet. Didn't know 4.51 was out yet. Downloading now. Thanks. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Bruce Momjian <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > Can you do longitute/latitude with that map. Is it linear in both > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in > the tcl code. I also have a map program I wrote up for an IRC network. See http://www.sorcery.net/maps/ for that implementation. It could use a database backend easily, but right now it uses a combination of xearth, fly (a gif editing scripting language) and Perl script to write the fly script. --Michael
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I > > > was just proving it out. > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html > > > > > > Mouseover on the left frame. > > > > Totally cool. > > What about this one: > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html This is *totally* cool... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> > > directions. Usually such linear maps look terrible because Greenland
> > > and Northern Canada are huge. Don't tell me you compensated for it in
> > > the tcl code.
> >
>
> Finally I've increased the shrink factor a little. Looks
> better IMHO.
>
> Don't know how to put more color on it without adding tons of
> more coordinate data. Maybe something like a transparent
> looking "Postgres" text over it has more effect than any
> color. I'll check, but it's enough for today. I'm off
> catching some zzzzzzzz's.
>
> BTW: Did you notice that the point's are clickable?
Erk...just tried that and it crashed my netscape :)
Marc G. Fournier
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Uh?
>
> There's simply a mailto: href on them. My Netscape 4.05 pops
> up the Mail window then. Maybe there's something wrong with
> the href because the <> in it aren't escaped. But that
> shouldn't cause Netscape to crash.
>
> What happens if you use a normal mailto: link?
Crashes also...a bug in 4.5...
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The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > What about this one: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html > > This is *totally* cool... I like this too. Vadim
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > Ok try this. I haven't tried it on a graphic yet, that'll be next. I > > > > was just proving it out. > > > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~vev/index.html > > > > > > > > Mouseover on the left frame. > > > > > > Totally cool. > > > > What about this one: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/test.html > > This is *totally* cool... And now DEEP FROZEN :-) http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html ------------------------------------------- Well, the image is about 85K now (look at it before you reply). But I think it's one that is worth the bandwidth - a MUST SEE. Bruce: is that ATTRACTIVE enough for you? Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
Jan Wieck wrote: > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html It's pretty neet. I'd remove the white flush by Flordia, perhaps moving it to a corner and introducing faint shadows on the lettering. :) Clark
> > This is *totally* cool... > > And now DEEP FROZEN :-) > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > ------------------------------------------- > > Well, the image is about 85K now (look at it before you > reply). But I think it's one that is worth the bandwidth - a > MUST SEE. > > Bruce: is that ATTRACTIVE enough for you? Yes, certainly deep frozen. Winner. Comments: Use as many colors as you can. No problem with many colors. Much better than mine. Can you darken the PostgreSQL a little bit more, so the globe stands out a little more? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > Jan Wieck wrote: > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > It's pretty neet. I'd remove the white flush by Flordia, > perhaps moving it to a corner and introducing faint > shadows on the lettering. > > :) Clark > I can't. I haven't created the background image and don't know who did or how. OTOH it is 1. At Florida - a sunny state. 2. Near the location of hub.org, where OUR sun is shining. So it is IMHO exactly where is should be. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
> > > > Jan Wieck wrote: > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > > > It's pretty neet. I'd remove the white flush by Flordia, > > perhaps moving it to a corner and introducing faint > > shadows on the lettering. > > > > :) Clark > > > > I can't. I haven't created the background image and don't > know who did or how. > > OTOH it is > > 1. At Florida - a sunny state. > > 2. Near the location of hub.org, where OUR sun is shining. > > So it is IMHO exactly where is should be. Actually, it is closest to me. Enough said. :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > Jan Wieck wrote: > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > > > It's pretty neet. I'd remove the white flush by Flordia, > > perhaps moving it to a corner and introducing faint > > shadows on the lettering. > > > > :) Clark > > > > I can't. I haven't created the background image and don't > know who did or how. > > OTOH it is > > 1. At Florida - a sunny state. > > 2. Near the location of hub.org, where OUR sun is shining. > > So it is IMHO exactly where is should be. The sun? Huh. I thought it was a hurricane hitting the east coast. :) Looks good, Jan! Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> > > > This is *totally* cool... > > > > And now DEEP FROZEN :-) > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Well, the image is about 85K now (look at it before you > > reply). But I think it's one that is worth the bandwidth - a > > MUST SEE. > > > > Bruce: is that ATTRACTIVE enough for you? > > Yes, certainly deep frozen. Winner. > > Comments: > > Use as many colors as you can. No problem with many colors. Tried to use 250 colors, but that blows the image up to 150K and more important, causes the image sometimes to flicker on my 200MHz Pentium notebook. So back to 60 colors. > > Much better than mine. Tnx. > > Can you darken the PostgreSQL a little bit more, so the globe > stands out a little more? Done - the other way round. Darken the map and lighten the PostgreSQL. You're right, look's better. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
Jan Wieck wrote: > > > And now DEEP FROZEN :-) > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > ------------------------------------------- Yes! Cool!!! Vadim
> > Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > > And now DEEP FROZEN :-) > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > ------------------------------------------- > > Yes! Cool!!! > > Vadim > Just put in another version. This time, all dot's are red but they flash frequently when displayed in a Netscape. The advantage is that the image is static and the flashes are done with JavaScript. So the image could get highest quality and become bigger and finally placed as jpeg. For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply static there. Does anyone know how to do that? Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
On 12-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
>>
> Just put in another version. This time, all dot's are red but
> they flash frequently when displayed in a Netscape.
>
> The advantage is that the image is static and the flashes are
> done with JavaScript. So the image could get highest quality
> and become bigger and finally placed as jpeg.
>
> For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute
> position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply
> static there. Does anyone know how to do that?
Now that's slick!
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> > For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute > > position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply > > static there. Does anyone know how to do that? > > Now that's slick! > Yes. Looks like stars. Also, I have added an office knick-knacks link to my personal web page. See the signature. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
>
> On 12-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
> >>
> > Just put in another version. This time, all dot's are red but
> > they flash frequently when displayed in a Netscape.
> >
> > The advantage is that the image is static and the flashes are
> > done with JavaScript. So the image could get highest quality
> > and become bigger and finally placed as jpeg.
> >
> > For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute
> > position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply
> > static there. Does anyone know how to do that?
>
> Now that's slick!
I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now
on the main site developers page. The map image is now
700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower
quality the red dots get too diffuse).
I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
Does anyone have problems with it?
Jan
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> I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now > on the main site developers page. The map image is now > 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower > quality the red dots get too diffuse). > > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0. > > Does anyone have problems with it? Great. Now I can see where everyone is. I don't think I like the fact the image is in its own frame. Makes the list of developers very small. Was this necessary to get it working properly? Also, what does it look like _without_ the PostgreSQL image merged into it. Is it too plain? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now
> > on the main site developers page. The map image is now
> > 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower
> > quality the red dots get too diffuse).
> >
> > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
> >
> > Does anyone have problems with it?
>
> Great. Now I can see where everyone is.
>
> I don't think I like the fact the image is in its own frame. Makes the
> list of developers very small. Was this necessary to get it working
> properly? Also, what does it look like _without_ the PostgreSQL image
> merged into it. Is it too plain?
I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without
dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set
SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar
appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider
trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally
irritating).
Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain
(spartanic).
Jan
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On 15-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
>> >>
>> > Just put in another version. This time, all dot's are red but
>> > they flash frequently when displayed in a Netscape.
>> >
>> > The advantage is that the image is static and the flashes are
>> > done with JavaScript. So the image could get highest quality
>> > and become bigger and finally placed as jpeg.
>> >
>> > For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute
>> > position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply
>> > static there. Does anyone know how to do that?
>>
>> Now that's slick!
>
> I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now
> on the main site developers page. The map image is now
> 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower
> quality the red dots get too diffuse).
>
> I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
>
> Does anyone have problems with it?
Looks and works great here.
Vince.
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> I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without > dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set > SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar > appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider > trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally > irritating). > > Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain > (spartanic). > Jan, I accidentally deleted the page when updating the page via cvs. Can you put your copy on there again, or tell me how to get it? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without > > dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set > > SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar > > appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider > > trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally > > irritating). > > > > Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain > > (spartanic). > > > > Jan, I accidentally deleted the page when updating the page via cvs. > Can you put your copy on there again, or tell me how to get it? > Sorry for messing it up. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On 15-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without
>> dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set
>> SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar
>> appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider
>> trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally
>> irritating).
>>
>> Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain
>> (spartanic).
>>
>
> Jan, I accidentally deleted the page when updating the page via cvs.
> Can you put your copy on there again, or tell me how to get it?
Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have
it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf.
Vince.
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> > On 15-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without > >> dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set > >> SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar > >> appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider > >> trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally > >> irritating). > >> > >> Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain > >> (spartanic). > >> > > > > Jan, I accidentally deleted the page when updating the page via cvs. > > Can you put your copy on there again, or tell me how to get it? > > Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have > it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf. Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you send it over. I need devel-contrib.html -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On 15-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>
>> On 15-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> >> I didn't like it too, but in it was necessary. Without
>> >> dropping it into it's own frame I couldn't set
>> >> SCROLLING="NO". In MS InternetExplorer then a scrollbar
>> >> appears/disappears very nervous with the size of the slider
>> >> trying to follow the rightmost existing flash (totally
>> >> irritating).
>> >>
>> >> Without the PostgreSQL image it is really very plain
>> >> (spartanic).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Jan, I accidentally deleted the page when updating the page via cvs.
>> > Can you put your copy on there again, or tell me how to get it?
>>
>> Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have
>> it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf.
>
> Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you
> send it over. I need devel-contrib.html
Look in my $HOME dir to make sure it's what you're looking for. If not I
have the rest as well.
Vince.
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> > > > Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you > > send it over. I need devel-contrib.html > > Look in my $HOME dir to make sure it's what you're looking for. If not I > have the rest as well. > No. It should have frames for the new globe. This is for the left margin. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have > > it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf. > > Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you > send it over. I need devel-contrib.html Vince got me the right file. Thanks. No need for you to get it Jan. I will check it into cvs. We have a 'www' branch for the web site. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > > Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have > > > it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf. > > > > Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you > > send it over. I need devel-contrib.html > > Vince got me the right file. Thanks. No need for you to get it Jan. > > I will check it into cvs. We have a 'www' branch for the web site. I have checked in Jan's html, but not the subdirectories, which are probably generated by Jan's program. Probably will not change very often, so no need to cvs it. Do people agree? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Jan Wieck wrote: > > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0. > > Does anyone have problems with it? I just got: JavaScript Error: http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html, line 31: ie4 is not defined. using the FreeBSD Netscape 4.05 binary. Cheers, Patrick
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes:
> I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
> Does anyone have problems with it?
It fails rather spectacularly for me --- I'm watching a Netscape image
placeholder icon bounce around the empty frame as if it were a ping-pong
ball. Kinda fun to watch actually, but I'm sure it's not the intended
effect. It's sucking up an unreasonable percentage of my CPU, too.
This is Netscape 4.08 for HPUX, auto image load off, and I currently
have Javascript but not Java enabled. With Javascript off (my more
usual browsing setup, but I chanced to leave it on today) the page
behaves a lot more reasonably; I get one placeholder that I can click on
if I feel like looking at the graphic.
I realize that you spent a good deal of time on that "flashing dot"
effect, but I'd counsel you to forget it. It doesn't add a darn thing
to the useful content of the page --- the red dots are perfectly visible
without flashing. (You could make them a tiny bit bigger and brighter,
if you find them marginal.) What it *will* do is create all sorts of
portability headaches, of which you've seen only the beginning; you
have not tried to get it to work across multiple browser versions or
multiple platforms, to say nothing of browsers other than the Big Two.
"I hacked it till it worked on the two browsers I use" is just about the
definition of bad Web design in my book. You'd be embarrassed to ship
C code that unportable --- why are you willing to accept it in HTML?
regards, tom lane
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
> > >>
> > > Just put in another version. This time, all dot's are red but
> > > they flash frequently when displayed in a Netscape.
> > >
> > > The advantage is that the image is static and the flashes are
> > > done with JavaScript. So the image could get highest quality
> > > and become bigger and finally placed as jpeg.
> > >
> > > For sake I haven't found out how to determine the absolute
> > > position of an image unter MS IE4 yet. So they are simply
> > > static there. Does anyone know how to do that?
> >
> > Now that's slick!
>
> I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now
> on the main site developers page. The map image is now
> 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower
> quality the red dots get too diffuse).
>
> I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
>
> Does anyone have problems with it?
My only comment/problem...the underlying logo, IMHO, detracts from the
dots ... some of them you really have to pick at to see, with the logo
overshadowing it...
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Systems Administrator @ hub.org
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> > > > I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now > > on the main site developers page. The map image is now > > 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower > > quality the red dots get too diffuse). > > > > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0. > > > > Does anyone have problems with it? > > My only comment/problem...the underlying logo, IMHO, detracts from the > dots ... some of them you really have to pick at to see, with the logo > overshadowing it... I have to agree on this. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > > > Isn't it the same as in his $HOME/public_html dir? If not I still have
> > > > it up on my browser, I can save it off easy enuf.
> > >
> > > Don't think so. It is framed for the other date in the page. Can you
> > > send it over. I need devel-contrib.html
> >
> > Vince got me the right file. Thanks. No need for you to get it Jan.
> >
> > I will check it into cvs. We have a 'www' branch for the web site.
>
> I have checked in Jan's html, but not the subdirectories, which are
> probably generated by Jan's program. Probably will not change very
> often, so no need to cvs it. Do people agree?
I've just committed my last changes to the www module and put
the files onto the site. Now the globe is on the page again
without a separate frame (much better).
Jan
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>
> jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes:
> > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
> > Does anyone have problems with it?
>
> It fails rather spectacularly for me --- I'm watching a Netscape image
> placeholder icon bounce around the empty frame as if it were a ping-pong
> ball. Kinda fun to watch actually, but I'm sure it's not the intended
> effect. It's sucking up an unreasonable percentage of my CPU, too.
I know that there is still a bunch of problems with it and be
sure, I'll work on. Finally it should display a static map by
default and only if it finds a known browser, fill in the
flash images into empty layers and start blinking.
What it is currently is only a point I'm starting from.
>
> This is Netscape 4.08 for HPUX, auto image load off, and I currently
> have Javascript but not Java enabled. With Javascript off (my more
> usual browsing setup, but I chanced to leave it on today) the page
> behaves a lot more reasonably; I get one placeholder that I can click on
> if I feel like looking at the graphic.
Ech - auto load off. Thanks for the hint.
>
> I realize that you spent a good deal of time on that "flashing dot"
> effect, but I'd counsel you to forget it. It doesn't add a darn thing
> to the useful content of the page --- the red dots are perfectly visible
> without flashing. (You could make them a tiny bit bigger and brighter,
> if you find them marginal.) What it *will* do is create all sorts of
> portability headaches, of which you've seen only the beginning; you
> have not tried to get it to work across multiple browser versions or
> multiple platforms, to say nothing of browsers other than the Big Two.
> "I hacked it till it worked on the two browsers I use" is just about the
> definition of bad Web design in my book. You'd be embarrassed to ship
> C code that unportable --- why are you willing to accept it in HTML?
But then you have to vote for removing overlib from the main
index too since as far as I've understood the code it does
too less checking about browser versions etc. We want such
attracktive things even if only the big two support them -
no?
Jan
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>
> > >
> > > I've installed that one with different coloured flashes now
> > > on the main site developers page. The map image is now
> > > 700x270 in jpeg and with a good quality (95% - in lower
> > > quality the red dots get too diffuse).
> > >
> > > I checked that it works with Netscape 4.05 and MS-IE 4.0.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have problems with it?
> >
> > My only comment/problem...the underlying logo, IMHO, detracts from the
> > dots ... some of them you really have to pick at to see, with the logo
> > overshadowing it...
>
> I have to agree on this.
Man - first it is too flat, now the logo detracs, the flashes
cause problems and ppl vote agains. Next someone want's it
back rotating :-)
OK, ok - but slow motion now. A version that works for NS4
and IE4 is in place. Let's leave it there until we have
something better. I really wanted to get my fingers back on
raytracing for a long time and that time is now. I'll produce
some different map's the next days and place them all into
~wieck/index.html, then we can have a voting.
Jan
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On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> But then you have to vote for removing overlib from the main
> index too since as far as I've understood the code it does
> too less checking about browser versions etc. We want such
> attracktive things even if only the big two support them -
> no?
Out of the last 150k different computers hitting all of the web sites
hosted by Hub, 49.89% reported Netscape 4.x browers, while 31.84% reported
IE4.x ...
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> > I have to agree on this. > > Man - first it is too flat, now the logo detracs, the flashes > cause problems and ppl vote agains. Next someone want's it > back rotating :-) > > OK, ok - but slow motion now. A version that works for NS4 > and IE4 is in place. Let's leave it there until we have > something better. I really wanted to get my fingers back on > raytracing for a long time and that time is now. I'll produce > some different map's the next days and place them all into > ~wieck/index.html, then we can have a voting. Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and static map(bad dots). -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > > I have to agree on this.
> >
> > Man - first it is too flat, now the logo detracs, the flashes
> > cause problems and ppl vote agains. Next someone want's it
> > back rotating :-)
> >
> > OK, ok - but slow motion now. A version that works for NS4
> > and IE4 is in place. Let's leave it there until we have
> > something better. I really wanted to get my fingers back on
> > raytracing for a long time and that time is now. I'll produce
> > some different map's the next days and place them all into
> > ~wieck/index.html, then we can have a voting.
>
> Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and
> static map(bad dots).
The first raytraced example (just a quick shot :-) is in
place.
http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html
As you might expect, the locations of the nails are from the
same data I already have. I just bent them a little so every
location is visible. There is no map behind, but that's easy
and could have it's hot areas under the knobs of the nails.
Jan
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> > Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and > > static map(bad dots). > > The first raytraced example (just a quick shot :-) is in > place. > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > As you might expect, the locations of the nails are from the > same data I already have. I just bent them a little so every > location is visible. There is no map behind, but that's easy > and could have it's hot areas under the knobs of the nails. Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> > > > > > I have to agree on this. > > > > > > Man - first it is too flat, now the logo detracs, the flashes > > > cause problems and ppl vote agains. Next someone want's it > > > back rotating :-) > > > > > > OK, ok - but slow motion now. A version that works for NS4 > > > and IE4 is in place. Let's leave it there until we have > > > something better. I really wanted to get my fingers back on > > > raytracing for a long time and that time is now. I'll produce > > > some different map's the next days and place them all into > > > ~wieck/index.html, then we can have a voting. > > > > Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and > > static map(bad dots). When you put people's names on a page, amazing how interested they become in the page. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On 16-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote: >> > Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and >> > static map(bad dots). >> >> The first raytraced example (just a quick shot :-) is in >> place. >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html >> >> As you might expect, the locations of the nails are from the >> same data I already have. I just bent them a little so every >> location is visible. There is no map behind, but that's easy >> and could have it's hot areas under the knobs of the nails. > > Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly > jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? Almost looks like a wooden box with water in it and the continents are floating on the water. Jan, what are you using to create that? Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
> > > On 16-Mar-99 Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > Now you know how I felt with the globe(too fast, hard to see), and > >> > static map(bad dots). > >> > >> The first raytraced example (just a quick shot :-) is in > >> place. > >> > >> http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > >> > >> As you might expect, the locations of the nails are from the > >> same data I already have. I just bent them a little so every > >> location is visible. There is no map behind, but that's easy > >> and could have it's hot areas under the knobs of the nails. > > > > Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly > > jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? > > Almost looks like a wooden box with water in it and the continents are > floating on the water. Jan, what are you using to create that? > > Vince. It's a wooden box with some water looking ground - right. The continents sit on a glass surface above. Actually I'm playing around with some bump mapping on the glass so it will be better visible. And there where some errors in the images I used for mapping, better soon. I'm using rayshade and the utah raster toolkit for that. It's not the final version. Finally there will be some objects around the whole scene that produce reflections on the glass so it looks like the box is laying on a table inside of a room. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
> > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > > Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly > jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? Do a reload. Just to show you what "HIGH QUALITY" rendering means. It's still the same scene - just the border of the box a little higher, the glass better visible and sized to 600x300 (to better fit on the page). This time rendered with a sampling rate of 5^2 per pixel (so per pixel 25 eye rays are shot into the scene). Including all shadowing, transparency and reflection a total of over 20 million rays have been traced (for a picture with 180,000 pixels)! Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 minutes to finish that one. Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail is from a scanned photo or the like. Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
Re: [HACKERS] Re: Developers Globe (FINAL)
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<raytracing details snipped> > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > minutes to finish that one. > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > is from a scanned photo or the like. > And to make it just that little bit more life-like - How about either: 1 - bumpmap the continents to match the glass, then don't do a drop shadow on the glass - so they look 'painted' on or 2 - extrude the continents, so they have 'edges', and look like blocks of foam pasted on the glass (with or w/o a finer grained bumpmap of their own) You've got all the CPU in the world, right? ;-) Ross -- Ross J. Reedstrom, Ph.D., <reedstrm@rice.edu> NSBRI Research Scientist/Programmer Computer and Information Technology Institute Rice University, 6100 S. Main St., Houston, TX 77005
Jan, your picture looks great. I'm going to have a presentation at LinuxWorld Conference in Japan about PostgreSQL tomorrow and I would like to show your picture to tell people how PostgreSQL developers widely spread in the world. Can I use that? Of course I will put a copyright notice of you along with the picture. -- Tatsuo Ishii >> > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html >> > >> Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly >> jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? > > Do a reload. Just to show you what "HIGH QUALITY" rendering > means. > > It's still the same scene - just the border of the box a > little higher, the glass better visible and sized to 600x300 > (to better fit on the page). This time rendered with a > sampling rate of 5^2 per pixel (so per pixel 25 eye rays are > shot into the scene). Including all shadowing, transparency > and reflection a total of over 20 million rays have been > traced (for a picture with 180,000 pixels)! > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > minutes to finish that one. > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > is from a scanned photo or the like. > > >Jan > >-- > >#======================================================================# ># It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # ># Let's break this rule - forgive me. # >#======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) # > > >
> Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > minutes to finish that one. > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > is from a scanned photo or the like. > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!) -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> It's a wooden box with some water looking ground - right. The > continents sit on a glass surface above. Actually I'm playing > around with some bump mapping on the glass so it will be > better visible. And there where some errors in the images I > used for mapping, better soon. Jan, can I recommend you change the perspective of viewing the globe from southern to northern. Because we are mostly in the northern hemisphere, a perspective change would make that area larger, like Europe. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Jan... Any way of coming up with a suitable Logo to replace what we have on the main screen? Something tasteful that jumps out at you? I like the one we do have, but I don't think its very "strong"? How about it? :) On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck/index.html > > > > > Woh. I didn't know what ratracing was, but I know I like it. Certainly > > jumps out at you. Is it in a paper tray? > > Do a reload. Just to show you what "HIGH QUALITY" rendering > means. > > It's still the same scene - just the border of the box a > little higher, the glass better visible and sized to 600x300 > (to better fit on the page). This time rendered with a > sampling rate of 5^2 per pixel (so per pixel 25 eye rays are > shot into the scene). Including all shadowing, transparency > and reflection a total of over 20 million rays have been > traced (for a picture with 180,000 pixels)! > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > minutes to finish that one. > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > is from a scanned photo or the like. > > > Jan > > -- > > #======================================================================# > # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # > # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # > #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) # > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
Tatsuo Ishii wrote:
>
> Jan, your picture looks great. I'm going to have a presentation at
> LinuxWorld Conference in Japan about PostgreSQL tomorrow and I would
> like to show your picture to tell people how PostgreSQL developers
> widely spread in the world. Can I use that?
Yeah - use it!
>
> Of course I will put a copyright notice of you along with the picture.
It is based on free informations (the map coords are from
xearth). And free software (rayshade) made it. Do whatever
you want with it - it's free.
Jan
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>
> > It's a wooden box with some water looking ground - right. The
> > continents sit on a glass surface above. Actually I'm playing
> > around with some bump mapping on the glass so it will be
> > better visible. And there where some errors in the images I
> > used for mapping, better soon.
>
> Jan, can I recommend you change the perspective of viewing the globe
> from southern to northern. Because we are mostly in the northern
> hemisphere, a perspective change would make that area larger, like
> Europe.
I tried that, but the nails in europe are packed that close
that they hide each other then. Wasn't easy to find a point
of view where everyone is visible.
I'll first create a magnifying glass over europe as sample 2
:-)
The next I'll try is a flat map directly looked at from above
with all the names put with arrows onto a transparent layer
above. That would make overlib/JavaScript obsolete! But it
requires that the names are readable at last.
Jan
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Jan...
>
> Any way of coming up with a suitable Logo to replace what we have
> on the main screen? Something tasteful that jumps out at you? I like the
> one we do have, but I don't think its very "strong"? How about it? :)
Nothing's impossible with a raytracer and some time! And I
expected this question while creating the map :-)
But it would be nice if some others would share some ideas
for it.
My first thought was a big truck on a road in the desert with
some cirrus clouds in the sky and "PostgreSQL" written on the
trailer. Maybe some snow capped mountains in the background.
Don't think that such a detailed scene is good for a small
Powered By logo, and the new logo must definitely fit for
that too.
Jan
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>Tatsuo Ishii wrote: >> >> Jan, your picture looks great. I'm going to have a presentation at >> LinuxWorld Conference in Japan about PostgreSQL tomorrow and I would >> like to show your picture to tell people how PostgreSQL developers >> widely spread in the world. Can I use that? > > Yeah - use it! Thanks! >> >> Of course I will put a copyright notice of you along with the picture. > > It is based on free informations (the map coords are from > xearth). And free software (rayshade) made it. Do whatever > you want with it - it's free. Ok. -- Tatsuo Ishii
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20
> > minutes to finish that one.
> >
> > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail
> > is from a scanned photo or the like.
> >
>
> You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new
> PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!)
A first one is on my index. I prefer the version with ORDBMS.
Jan
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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> >
> > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20
> > > minutes to finish that one.
> > >
> > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail
> > > is from a scanned photo or the like.
> > >
> >
> > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new
> > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!)
>
> A first one is on my index. I prefer the version with ORDBMS.
I agree! What are anyone's thoughts to having the web background the
same as the logo's background?
One suggestion on the logo, tho, can you dim the light that's shining
on it? It sorta takes away from the rest of it. (Yes I know it's
a virtual light)
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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> >
> > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20
> > > minutes to finish that one.
> > >
> > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail
> > > is from a scanned photo or the like.
> > >
> >
> > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new
> > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!)
>
> A first one is on my index. I prefer the version with ORDBMS.
Shocking to most, I like...nice, simple, not too overwhelming...but (ya
ya, always a but)...in the Powered By one, the left side is really faint,
almost to the point of unable to read the letters...?
As for preference...ya, Ilike the ORDBS one too...
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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
> > Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20
> > > > minutes to finish that one.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail
> > > > is from a scanned photo or the like.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new
> > > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!)
> >
> > A first one is on my index. I prefer the version with ORDBMS.
>
> I agree! What are anyone's thoughts to having the web background the
> same as the logo's background?
Ummm...it depends on how it looks. ONe thing that I *really* hate
about backgrounds is they generally make reading teh page
difficult...there are *alot* of bad sites out there that are a result of
it :(
If it can be done right, it would be nice if it could all look
like one solid piece, yes...
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> > I agree! What are anyone's thoughts to having the web background the
> > same as the logo's background?
>
> Ummm...it depends on how it looks. ONe thing that I *really* hate
> about backgrounds is they generally make reading teh page
> difficult...there are *alot* of bad sites out there that are a result of
> it :(
>
> If it can be done right, it would be nice if it could all look
> like one solid piece, yes...
That's impossible. The background is a sky texture which
isn't repeating. It is computed by a fractional brownian
motion function.
For a web page background, you need a repeating image that
can be tiled.
I like the sky in the background, because it carries a
message. But I wouldn't mind too much removing it and making
the background transparent.
Jan
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> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > > > minutes to finish that one. > > > > > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > > > is from a scanned photo or the like. > > > > > > > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new > > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!) I think I like the 3rd developers globe. Can we try it without stickpins? I think it is looking confusing. Looks like there is enough room in England on that image to show everyone as red dome, rather than a stickpin. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> same as the logo's background? > > One suggestion on the logo, tho, can you dim the light that's shining > on it? It sorta takes away from the rest of it. (Yes I know it's > a virtual light) > Here is an idea. I have thought about making the name stand out as a pattern within a grid/table. If you remember the end of the movie 2001, where HAL has those red bars coming out as he is disconnected. We could have PostgreSQL spelled out as red bard sticking out in a grid: ---- -----_ like this. Of course, the grid would have to have lots of bars to look good. I thought this would go well with an SQL/table motif. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
> That's impossible. The background is a sky texture which > isn't repeating. It is computed by a fractional brownian > motion function. > > For a web page background, you need a repeating image that > can be tiled. > > I like the sky in the background, because it carries a > message. But I wouldn't mind too much removing it and making > the background transparent. Maybe more of a sunset/sunrise sky, so it has some color, and looks less like an MS-Windows background. The setting sun could be in front of the name, illuminating it with dramatic color. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>
> > same as the logo's background?
> >
> > One suggestion on the logo, tho, can you dim the light that's shining
> > on it? It sorta takes away from the rest of it. (Yes I know it's
> > a virtual light)
> >
>
> Here is an idea. I have thought about making the name stand out as a
> pattern within a grid/table.
>
> If you remember the end of the movie 2001, where HAL has those red bars
> coming out as he is disconnected. We could have PostgreSQL spelled out
> as red bard sticking out in a grid:
Hmmm - you mean his crystal storage which Dave was pushing
and they smoothly came out - no?
Nice idea.
Jan
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> > > > > same as the logo's background? > > > > > > One suggestion on the logo, tho, can you dim the light that's shining > > > on it? It sorta takes away from the rest of it. (Yes I know it's > > > a virtual light) > > > > > > > Here is an idea. I have thought about making the name stand out as a > > pattern within a grid/table. > > > > If you remember the end of the movie 2001, where HAL has those red bars > > coming out as he is disconnected. We could have PostgreSQL spelled out > > as red bard sticking out in a grid: > > Hmmm - you mean his crystal storage which Dave was pushing > and they smoothly came out - no? > > Nice idea. Yes, that was my idea of somehow merging PostgreSQL into some table format. Could look really cool, especially if viewed from an angle, or really poor. With someone who can do almost anything(you!), it becomes a harder question of what we want. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20
> > > > minutes to finish that one.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail
> > > > is from a scanned photo or the like.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new
> > > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!)
>
> I think I like the 3rd developers globe. Can we try it without
> stickpins? I think it is looking confusing. Looks like there is enough
> room in England on that image to show everyone as red dome, rather than
> a stickpin.
I agree about the 3rd globe, but disagree about the stick pins...I
like them, personally...reminds me about how one does military tactical
maps *grin*
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> > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those pictures are CPU killers. A 333 MHz Celeron needs 20 > > > > > minutes to finish that one. > > > > > > > > > > Remember, it's a 100% virtual picture. Not one single detail > > > > > is from a scanned photo or the like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You realize that now that we know you can do these images, a new > > > > PostgreSQL logo request is coming! (Marc, ask him. Ask him!) > > > > I think I like the 3rd developers globe. Can we try it without > > stickpins? I think it is looking confusing. Looks like there is enough > > room in England on that image to show everyone as red dome, rather than > > a stickpin. > > I agree about the 3rd globe, but disagree about the stick pins...I > like them, personally...reminds me about how one does military tactical > maps *grin* .PS And there isn't enough room in England. Andrew and Peter are that close to each other that they would have to share one. It's not fair if anyone else has a stick for it's own. But I'll try another type of stick. .PE Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) #
> And there isn't enough room in England. Andrew and Peter are that close to
> each other that they would have to share one. It's not fair if anyone else
> has a stick for it's own.
>
> But I'll try another type of stick.
Hmmm - I'm absolutely unhappy with example #4. The conversion
to JPG destroyed that one nearly. The rayshade output (517K)
is absolutely nice. But it seems the drastic color changes
from one pixel to the next aren't what JPG likes.
I've noticed it earlier that all the images get a little
dimmed when converted to JPG. They look brighter in the RLE
format or when converted to PPM.
Jan
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On 19-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
>> And there isn't enough room in England. Andrew and Peter are that close to
>> each other that they would have to share one. It's not fair if anyone else
>> has a stick for it's own.
>>
>> But I'll try another type of stick.
>
> Hmmm - I'm absolutely unhappy with example #4. The conversion
> to JPG destroyed that one nearly. The rayshade output (517K)
> is absolutely nice. But it seems the drastic color changes
> from one pixel to the next aren't what JPG likes.
>
> I've noticed it earlier that all the images get a little
> dimmed when converted to JPG. They look brighter in the RLE
> format or when converted to PPM.
I agree. Ick. Or were those pillars where stickpins used to be
intentional? Either way, ick.
Vince.
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> My first thought was a big truck on a road in the desert with > some cirrus clouds in the sky and "PostgreSQL" written on the > trailer. Maybe some snow capped mountains in the background. Let me give you an idea. Instead of a truck, a freight train. You could have the engine with PostreSQL on the side, and the boxcars could have PostgreSQL keywords on it, like SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, RULE, etc. The cars could trail off into the distance. Or you could picture a horseshoe curve, like we have in Pennsylvania. The curve does a 180 degree turn, like an upside-down U, so you see more of the train in the picture, with the engine on the left, and caboose on the right. (I can show you a picture if that helps.) You could put the name PostgreSQL on the mountain in the background of the curve too, again with keywords on the boxcars. You could even add a train to the bottom of the existing logo you have made, with perhaps objects in the hopper cars. Would make a nice logo, and give it some movement. Smoke trailing out of the engine, etc. Of course, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to recommend a train. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > My first thought was a big truck on a road in the desert with
> > some cirrus clouds in the sky and "PostgreSQL" written on the
> > trailer. Maybe some snow capped mountains in the background.
>
> Let me give you an idea.
>
> Instead of a truck, a freight train.
>
> You could have the engine with PostreSQL on the side, and the boxcars
> could have PostgreSQL keywords on it, like SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, RULE,
> etc. The cars could trail off into the distance.
>
> Or you could picture a horseshoe curve, like we have in Pennsylvania.
> The curve does a 180 degree turn, like an upside-down U, so you see more
> of the train in the picture, with the engine on the left, and caboose on
> the right. (I can show you a picture if that helps.) You could put the
> name PostgreSQL on the mountain in the background of the curve too,
> again with keywords on the boxcars.
>
> You could even add a train to the bottom of the existing logo you have
> made, with perhaps objects in the hopper cars. Would make a nice logo,
> and give it some movement. Smoke trailing out of the engine, etc.
>
> Of course, being from Pennsylvania, USA, I have to recommend a train.
Another nice idea - better than the truck.
But (I known that many of my sentences begin with but) - but
I thought about all that during the wieckend without creating
pictures. And I came to the conclusion that we make a major
mistake actually.
We are talking about some nice image for the WEB banner, not
about a LOGO.
PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of
kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics,
some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most
car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily
be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with
few colors:
a lion (Peugeot)
two upward pointing angles (Citroen)
four circles (Audi)
a circle in bavarian colors (BMW)
a rhomb (Renault)
a stylistic H (Honda)
specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes)
Most of them have interesting shading and reflectional
effects when made out of chrome.
One well known self associative thing is this: Write any
combination of three capital letters in horizontal blue
stripes. What a brand!
Free software products also have logos already. Remember this
coloured feather, that little cute penguin or the little
devil.
Except for the last two (Linux and BSD), all these logos can
be easily drawn in any pixel editor and don't need a
raytracer. If we come up with such a thing, it might be easy
to create a raytraced WEB banner image where this logo stands
out. But thinking of the image first is bottom up.
Another advantage having such a logo would be, that the
banner image could change from time to time without loosing
anything. Only that the logo must be subject of all the
images.
I like the coloured feather of Apache, because it is simple
and tells something about it. The message I see is "free and
light".
Sorry for taking us back to the start. But we need to make
the first step first.
Jan
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > I think I like the 3rd developers globe. Can we try it without
> > stickpins? I think it is looking confusing. Looks like there is enough
> > room in England on that image to show everyone as red dome, rather than
> > a stickpin.
>
> I agree about the 3rd globe, but disagree about the stick pins...I
> like them, personally...reminds me about how one does military tactical
> maps *grin*
I like them too :-). Maybe Bruce is right that they should
look more like silver.
I've changed them and placed a magnifying glass over europe
as Example 5. Even if it hides some parts of the map, I
think it's useful (not everyone has a real magnifying glass
handy so a virtual one isn't a bad thing).
Jan
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> Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > I think I like the 3rd developers globe. Can we try it without > > > stickpins? I think it is looking confusing. Looks like there is enough > > > room in England on that image to show everyone as red dome, rather than > > > a stickpin. > > > > I agree about the 3rd globe, but disagree about the stick pins...I > > like them, personally...reminds me about how one does military tactical > > maps *grin* > > I like them too :-). Maybe Bruce is right that they should > look more like silver. Yes, better in silver. > > I've changed them and placed a magnifying glass over europe > as Example 5. Even if it hides some parts of the map, I > think it's useful (not everyone has a real magnifying glass > handy so a virtual one isn't a bad thing). Why not set the image perspecive over Europe, that way all dots are visible, and no need for a magnifying glass. The magnifying glass removes the continuity of the image for me. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of
> kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics,
> some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most
> car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily
> be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with
> few colors:
>
> a lion (Peugeot)
> two upward pointing angles (Citroen)
> four circles (Audi)
> a circle in bavarian colors (BMW)
> a rhomb (Renault)
> a stylistic H (Honda)
> specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes)
Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to carry heavy loads and
go the distance... :)
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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > I've changed them and placed a magnifying glass over europe
> > as Example 5. Even if it hides some parts of the map, I
> > think it's useful (not everyone has a real magnifying glass
> > handy so a virtual one isn't a bad thing).
>
> Why not set the image perspecive over Europe, that way all dots are
> visible, and no need for a magnifying glass. The magnifying glass
> removes the continuity of the image for me.
Agreed on this point...some sort of floating magnifying glass
would be cool, that follows your mouse pointer, but, Ithink, unrealistic
:(
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On 22-Mar-99 The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
>> PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of
>> kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics,
>> some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most
>> car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily
>> be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with
>> few colors:
>>
>> a lion (Peugeot)
>> two upward pointing angles (Citroen)
>> four circles (Audi)
>> a circle in bavarian colors (BMW)
>> a rhomb (Renault)
>> a stylistic H (Honda)
>> specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes)
>
> Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to carry heavy loads and
> go the distance... :)
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
> > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of
> > kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics,
> > some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most
> > car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily
> > be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with
> > few colors:
> >
> > a lion (Peugeot)
> > two upward pointing angles (Citroen)
> > four circles (Audi)
> > a circle in bavarian colors (BMW)
> > a rhomb (Renault)
> > a stylistic H (Honda)
> > specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes)
>
> Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to carry heavy loads and
> go the distance... :)
But is itself a bit fat - do we want that association? :-)
The first I've created has a diamond. It's on my index.
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>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > > I've changed them and placed a magnifying glass over europe
> > > as Example 5. Even if it hides some parts of the map, I
> > > think it's useful (not everyone has a real magnifying glass
> > > handy so a virtual one isn't a bad thing).
> >
> > Why not set the image perspecive over Europe, that way all dots are
> > visible, and no need for a magnifying glass. The magnifying glass
> > removes the continuity of the image for me.
>
> Agreed on this point...some sort of floating magnifying glass
> would be cool, that follows your mouse pointer, but, Ithink, unrealistic
> :(
Was only a test. Will remove it again.
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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of
> > > kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics,
> > > some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most
> > > car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily
> > > be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with
> > > few colors:
> > >
> > > a lion (Peugeot)
> > > two upward pointing angles (Citroen)
> > > four circles (Audi)
> > > a circle in bavarian colors (BMW)
> > > a rhomb (Renault)
> > > a stylistic H (Honda)
> > > specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes)
> >
> > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to carry heavy loads and
> > go the distance... :)
>
> But is itself a bit fat - do we want that association? :-)
Not fat...heavy weight :)
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The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. There is a wide range of > > > > kinds of logos out in the world. Some are simple graphics, > > > > some are self associative ways to instanciate something. Most > > > > car manufacturers use some simple graphic that could easily > > > > be made out of chrome (must be part of the concept) or with > > > > few colors: > > > > > > > > a lion (Peugeot) > > > > two upward pointing angles (Citroen) > > > > four circles (Audi) > > > > a circle in bavarian colors (BMW) > > > > a rhomb (Renault) > > > > a stylistic H (Honda) > > > > specially forms of stars (Chrysler, Mercedes) > > > > > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to carry heavy loads and > > > go the distance... :) Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ? > > But is itself a bit fat - do we want that association? :-) I once did some crocodiles, http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page2.html the reasoning is at the beginning of: http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html This discussion has escaped me until now as this went under the heading Developers Globe ;) ------------------- Hannu
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes: > But is itself a bit fat - do we want that association? :-) > > The first I've created has a diamond. It's on my index. I think this is the absolute best set of logo offerings yet. I like #2 best. #1 reminds me of the dopey I<heart>NY bumper stickers that were all the rage some years back. In #3, centering "Powered by" weakens the effect somehow. But all three look very good. Would it look less cluttered without the ORDBMS? I've been speaking to one of the artists at work about logos. His description of a good logo includes the following: 1. Should be simple enough that it's recognizable when scaled down to small icon size. 2. Should be recognizable from the shape of its silhouette. We should know what it stands for even without standard colorsand with extreme contrast. 3. The shape should somehow suggest the entity that is represented. 4. Does not necessarily include the company name. This can be attached beside the logo. His examples of good logos: AT&T "death star", the Apple logo. I'd add the FreeBSD logo as a third.
Hal Snyder wrote:
>
> jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes:
>
> > The first I've created has a diamond. It's on my index.
>
> I think this is the absolute best set of logo offerings yet.
Thanks
>
> I like #2 best.
And I #1 - maybe because I created that first.
> In #3, centering "Powered by" weakens the effect somehow.
If we choose the diamond as our logo, I'll create a bunch of
permutations where "Powered by" and the diamond are left,
center/as-o, right and we should vote on.
> Would it look less cluttered without the ORDBMS?
Don't know - would be part of the permutations. Would make
it consume less space though :-).
>
> I've been speaking to one of the artists at work about logos. His
> description of a good logo includes the following:
>
> 1. Should be simple enough that it's recognizable when scaled down to
> small icon size.
>
> 2. Should be recognizable from the shape of its silhouette. We should
> know what it stands for even without standard colors and with
> extreme contrast.
>
> 3. The shape should somehow suggest the entity that is represented.
>
> 4. Does not necessarily include the company name. This can be attached
> beside the logo.
>
> His examples of good logos: AT&T "death star", the Apple logo. I'd add
> the FreeBSD logo as a third.
Rules 1 and 2 are matched. Rule 3 - a diamond is hard, sharp,
clear bright and more worthy than gold - matched.
Rule number 4 I would not want to match. The spelling
PostgreSQL (not Postgres-SQL or all the other spellings
sometimes used) is somewhat special and thus should be part
of the logo.
My absolute favorites of logos are the ones where the
font/colors+outline associate with the name. Write anything
in that special curly way white on a red background and you
have Coke. Any 3 capitals written in blue stripes reminds on
IBM. And my wife bought NIVEA in Tunis - it was just that
blue round cover with some arabic letters in white :-) - you
can read that even if you can't identify one single letter.
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> My absolute favorites of logos are the ones where the
> font/colors+outline associate with the name. Write anything
> in that special curly way white on a red background and you
> have Coke. Any 3 capitals written in blue stripes reminds on
> IBM. And my wife bought NIVEA in Tunis - it was just that
> blue round cover with some arabic letters in white :-) - you
> can read that even if you can't identify one single letter.
Speaking of color, how about a different color for "Postgre"? That
one's a bit boring.
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>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
>
> > My absolute favorites of logos are the ones where the
> > font/colors+outline associate with the name. Write anything
> > in that special curly way white on a red background and you
> > have Coke. Any 3 capitals written in blue stripes reminds on
> > IBM. And my wife bought NIVEA in Tunis - it was just that
> > blue round cover with some arabic letters in white :-) - you
> > can read that even if you can't identify one single letter.
>
> Speaking of color, how about a different color for "Postgre"? That
> one's a bit boring.
Tell RGB...
Jan
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> >
> > > My absolute favorites of logos are the ones where the
> > > font/colors+outline associate with the name. Write anything
> > > in that special curly way white on a red background and you
> > > have Coke. Any 3 capitals written in blue stripes reminds on
> > > IBM. And my wife bought NIVEA in Tunis - it was just that
> > > blue round cover with some arabic letters in white :-) - you
> > > can read that even if you can't identify one single letter.
> >
> > Speaking of color, how about a different color for "Postgre"? That
> > one's a bit boring.
>
> Tell RGB...
Dunno. That's why I didn't suggest one. What works with blue and gray?
If I can find it I'll dig out the color wheel and take a look.
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On 23 Mar 1999, Hal Snyder wrote: > jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes: > > > But is itself a bit fat - do we want that association? :-) > > > > The first I've created has a diamond. It's on my index. > > I think this is the absolute best set of logo offerings yet. > > I like #2 best. > > #1 reminds me of the dopey I<heart>NY bumper stickers that were all > the rage some years back. Geez, and I liked that one best :(
Hannu Krosing wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to > > carry heavy loads and go the distance... :) I really like the Elephant idea. > Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ? Sure, but the first thing which came to my mind was Dumbo the flying elephant and the Jungle book's kernel Harting. > I once did some crocodiles, > http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant, or perhaps a bear. :) Clark
> Hannu Krosing wrote: > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. > > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to > > > carry heavy loads and go the distance... :) > > I really like the Elephant idea. > > > Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ? > > Sure, but the first thing which came to my mind was Dumbo > the flying elephant and the Jungle book's kernel Harting. > > > I once did some crocodiles, > > http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html > > The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant, > or perhaps a bear. Elephant with a diamond on his back, or a train pulling a diamond? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
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jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
>
> Hannu Krosing wrote:
> > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo.
> > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to
> > > carry heavy loads and go the distance... :)
>
> I really like the Elephant idea.
>
> > Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ?
>
> Sure, but the first thing which came to my mind was Dumbo
> the flying elephant and the Jungle book's kernel Harting.
:-)
>
> > I once did some crocodiles,
> > http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html
>
> The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant,
> or perhaps a bear.
I've just finished the first raytraces of the diamond logo
and the according WEB banner.
http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck
Jan
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
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Date:
>
> Elephant with a diamond on his back, or a train pulling a diamond?
>
Such a scene would look nice as a WEB banner for some page.
But not for a "Powered by" logo. When sized to something
below 200x100 you would only see some dust, not a train
anymore. Or you can identify the elephant but the diamond
shrinks down to a dot.
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On 23-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote: >> >> Hannu Krosing wrote: >> > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: >> > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. >> > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to >> > > carry heavy loads and go the distance... :) >> >> I really like the Elephant idea. >> >> > Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ? >> >> Sure, but the first thing which came to my mind was Dumbo >> the flying elephant and the Jungle book's kernel Harting. > > :-) > >> >> > I once did some crocodiles, >> > http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html >> >> The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant, >> or perhaps a bear. > > I've just finished the first raytraces of the diamond logo > and the according WEB banner. > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck Where's the elephant? :) Looks good, but the diamond needs the benefit of a star filter on the camera (so to speak). If you need I'll try to explain it in a bit more detail. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Elephant with a diamond on his back, or a train pulling a diamond? How about a dimond with an elephant in the middle. Kinda like the pink panther. :) Clark
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
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jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
>
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Elephant with a diamond on his back, or a train pulling a diamond?
>
> How about a dimond with an elephant in the middle.
> Kinda like the pink panther.
Not easy to design an elephant in the geometric figure world
of a raytracer. But I like the idea of putting the elephant
inside the diamond.
Hmmm - many diamonds have some (dunno how it's called really)
faults. The one of our diamond could have a shape like an
elephant.
Jan
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Date:
>
> Where's the elephant? :)
Still in mind and the last idea of Clark was totally nice -
putting the elephant into the diamond. Need's a complete
crystal diamond (that will eat CPU - man).
>
> Looks good, but the diamond needs the benefit of a star filter on the
> camera (so to speak). If you need I'll try to explain it in a bit more
> detail.
Outch - yes I know what you mean - I have such a one for my
camera too (along with the other usual ones like the 2 diop
hole lense etc.). That's one of the limits of raytracing
AFAIK. I never had any success on such a thing like a filter.
Also it's impossible to build spectral effects. Spectral
effects are based on the fact that the refractional index of
a material varies on the frequency of the light (that's what
makes the fire in diamonds). But a raytracer cannot do this -
or at least the trace would run infinitely long - thus no
tracer I know of supports it.
But on the star filter I have already an idea. Will try out
some things.
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On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, you wrote: > Outch - yes I know what you mean - I have such a one for my > camera too (along with the other usual ones like the 2 diop > hole lense etc.). That's one of the limits of raytracing > AFAIK. I never had any success on such a thing like a filter. > Also it's impossible to build spectral effects. Spectral > effects are based on the fact that the refractional index of > a material varies on the frequency of the light (that's what > makes the fire in diamonds). But a raytracer cannot do this - > or at least the trace would run infinitely long - thus no > tracer I know of supports it. Doesn't blender do spectral effects? Taral
> > > > Elephant with a diamond on his back, or a train pulling a diamond? > > > > Such a scene would look nice as a WEB banner for some page. > But not for a "Powered by" logo. When sized to something > below 200x100 you would only see some dust, not a train > anymore. Or you can identify the elephant but the diamond > shrinks down to a dot. > Yes. Absolutely. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom... On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > Hannu Krosing wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > > > PostgreSQL doesn't have a logo. > > > > Agreed...Elephant still comes to mind...ability to > > > > carry heavy loads and go the distance... :) > > > > I really like the Elephant idea. > > > > > Aint elephant associated mostly with some political party in US ? > > > > Sure, but the first thing which came to my mind was Dumbo > > the flying elephant and the Jungle book's kernel Harting. > > :-) > > > > > > I once did some crocodiles, > > > http://sid.trust.ee/Info/PostgreSQL.figs/logo/page.html > > > > The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant, > > or perhaps a bear. > > I've just finished the first raytraces of the diamond logo > and the according WEB banner. > > http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck > > > Jan > > -- > > #======================================================================# > # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # > # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # > #======================================== jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) # > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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Date:
>
>
> I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom...
Someone said it makes it confuse. So I tried without.
> > > The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant,
> > > or perhaps a bear.
Are we still talking about a PG LOGO or do we plan to open a
zoo :-)
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I still like #2 in the set of three the best. The 3D highlighting done to the letters in the top set of logos makes them harder to read on my monitor than the flat letters. And I can't tell what that blue thingie is inside the diamond. Maybe I agree with Vince that the straw color of the letters isn't the greatest. We can always change the color scheme of the web pages to match a new logo if we ever agree on the perfect logo. I was one a complainer about the ORDBMS fine print. Trying to keep it simple. (Also preferred the diamond outside the word, *still* feel a shape in place of a letter is a cliche but guess I'm outnumbered on that point.) Jan, thanks for putting up with this silliness. jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck) writes: > > > > > > I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom... > > Someone said it makes it confuse. So I tried without. > > > > > The Crocodile is cool, but I'd vote for an Elephant, > > > > or perhaps a bear. > > Are we still talking about a PG LOGO or do we plan to open a > zoo :-)
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom...
>
>
Reload!
You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough
(it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels,
so that's still there :-)
Haven't created the Powerd by ones now, because I think
Powered by isn't the right wording for an elephant logo. What
about "Carried by"? I Think for the small ones, the
"PostgreSQL" might move down to make the room for the
"Carried by" above. In that case, there's no room left for
the ORDBMS, so I left that out - sorry.
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Jan Wieck wrote: > You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough > (it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels, > so that's still there :-) Way Cool. (watch out... I'm starting to expect magic from you *smile* ) It seems that the elephant is 'on top of' the diamond, I was wondering if it's possible to make it seem like the elephant is 'inside' of the jewel? The opening credits of the pink panther have a cloudy jewel where the pink panther sorta emerges from the cloudy haze inside of the jewel. I guess this is what I had dreamed. I really like the idea of an elephant, but perhaps it could be made less lifelike, more cartoonish. Hmm. That's just a thought. Wow. You must have spent forever getting it to look like that. :) Clark
On 25-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>> I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom...
>>
>>
>
> Reload!
>
> You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough
> (it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels,
> so that's still there :-)
>
> Haven't created the Powerd by ones now, because I think
> Powered by isn't the right wording for an elephant logo. What
> about "Carried by"? I Think for the small ones, the
> "PostgreSQL" might move down to make the room for the
> "Carried by" above. In that case, there's no room left for
> the ORDBMS, so I left that out - sorry.
There ya go. Any luck with the star filter?
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> Wow. You must have spent forever getting it
> to look like that.
1.5 hours including all the test traces :-)
That's why I still use that old, outdated rayshade - I'm
soooo familiar with it. And it's happy with a vi(1) as scene
editor as long as you can keep enough objects in a virtual
room in mind.
Well, I can higher the reflections of the peaces of the
jewel. Then it would look more like he's inside. But I have
to do it in this fashion when running for the little "Carried
by" images because you wouldn't see the elephant any more.
All that is easy done, rayshade's default preprocessor is
cpp, So it's simply one difference in the commandline options
and some #ifdef's inside the scene description. And I don't
run it from the commandline - I use make.
Jan
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
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Date:
> There ya go. Any luck with the star filter?
>
> Vince.
Not yet - still trying things...
Jan
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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Clark Evans wrote:
> Jan Wieck wrote:
> > You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough
> > (it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels,
> > so that's still there :-)
>
> Way Cool. (watch out... I'm starting to expect
> magic from you *smile* )
>
> It seems that the elephant is 'on top of' the diamond, I
> was wondering if it's possible to make it seem like the
> elephant is 'inside' of the jewel?
>
> The opening credits of the pink panther have a
> cloudy jewel where the pink panther sorta emerges
> from the cloudy haze inside of the jewel. I guess
> this is what I had dreamed.
>
> I really like the idea of an elephant, but perhaps
> it could be made less lifelike, more cartoonish.
> Hmm. That's just a thought.
No no...perfect just as it is!! :)
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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> > I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom...
> >
> >
>
> Reload!
>
> You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough
> (it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels,
> so that's still there :-)
Sold!! You've hit it soooooo unbelievably perfectly :)
Can you make the Diamond/Elephant a seperate image easily? It makes a
*perfect* stand alone logo... :)
> Haven't created the Powerd by ones now, because I think
> Powered by isn't the right wording for an elephant logo. What
> about "Carried by"? I Think for the small ones, the
> "PostgreSQL" might move down to make the room for the
> "Carried by" above. In that case, there's no room left for
> the ORDBMS, so I left that out - sorry.
S'alright, I think I can forgive that :)
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Can you make the Diamond/Elephant a seperate image easily? It makes a
> *perfect* stand alone logo... :)
/* the characters */ and change the viewpoint - that's all.
Maybe I have to change some light positions too to get the
same reflections from the other viewpoint, but that's not
that hard to do.
Jan
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
> > Way Cool. (watch out... I'm starting to expect
> > magic from you *smile* )
After all it's still just a bunch of bit's - no magic :-)
> >
> > It seems that the elephant is 'on top of' the diamond, I
> > was wondering if it's possible to make it seem like the
> > elephant is 'inside' of the jewel?
Done. But personally I prefer the first one.
What I try to do is to have the jewel and the elephant
wheighted equally - mean that noone has the majority of the
entire symbol. I can surely cover it up to invisibility in
the jewel, but that's not the target.
> >
> > The opening credits of the pink panther have a
> > cloudy jewel where the pink panther sorta emerges
> > from the cloudy haze inside of the jewel. I guess
> > this is what I had dreamed.
And I understood it that way on first call. But that has some
problems. In the case of the pink panther it's a movie, and
if I remember right the perspective is rotating slowly around
it. If you have a crystal material with a refractional index,
a modelled elephant inside would only become visible if
viewed nearly from the top. Especially in the case of the
wanted little powered by logos, because the elephant must be
big enough to not to shrink down to 3-4 pixels. But then you
don't identify the entire thing any longer as a jewel, it's
just some round crystal, nothing else.
> >
> > I really like the idea of an elephant, but perhaps
> > it could be made less lifelike, more cartoonish.
> > Hmm. That's just a thought.
>
> No no...perfect just as it is!! :)
PostgreSQL isn't a joke. It's IMHO closer to the one I choose
than to flying DUMBO or any other silly one in comic strips.
Never underestimate the power of such a majestic creature! So
never let it look cute and harmless.
Jan
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> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > I kinda liked the ORDBMS tack'd onto the bottom... > > > > > > > > > > Reload! > > > > You wanted an elephant - hopefully that's elephant enough > > (it's one of these majestic, african bulls). I like jewels, > > so that's still there :-) > > Sold!! You've hit it soooooo unbelievably perfectly :) > I agree also. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On 26-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote:
> What I try to do is to have the jewel and the elephant
> wheighted equally - mean that noone has the majority of the
> entire symbol. I can surely cover it up to invisibility in
> the jewel, but that's not the target.
Can you make a stand alone diamond with the elephant where the elephant
doesn't look like he has jauntis? IOW, more like his natural color.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, you wrote: >On 26-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote: > >> What I try to do is to have the jewel and the elephant >> wheighted equally - mean that noone has the majority of the >> entire symbol. I can surely cover it up to invisibility in >> the jewel, but that's not the target. > >Can you make a stand alone diamond with the elephant where the elephant >doesn't look like he has jauntis? IOW, more like his natural color. Where ARE these pictures? I missed a big chunk of list traffic... Taral
On 26-Mar-99 Taral wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, you wrote: >>On 26-Mar-99 Jan Wieck wrote: >> >>> What I try to do is to have the jewel and the elephant >>> wheighted equally - mean that noone has the majority of the >>> entire symbol. I can surely cover it up to invisibility in >>> the jewel, but that's not the target. >> >>Can you make a stand alone diamond with the elephant where the elephant >>doesn't look like he has jauntis? IOW, more like his natural color. > > Where ARE these pictures? I missed a big chunk of list traffic... http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include <std/disclaimers.h> TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ==========================================================================
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, you wrote: >http://www.postgresql.org/~wieck Oh, well... put my opinion in. I like: * the first big logo [pg_banner3.jpg] * the standalone, but can it be half-size? * Map #5, but with the pov of the first two. Maybe the magnifying glass can be tipped? Taral
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> > > Way Cool. (watch out... I'm starting to expect
> > > magic from you *smile* )
>
> After all it's still just a bunch of bit's - no magic :-)
>
> > >
> > > It seems that the elephant is 'on top of' the diamond, I
> > > was wondering if it's possible to make it seem like the
> > > elephant is 'inside' of the jewel?
>
> Done. But personally I prefer the first one.
I prefer the original one too...the elephant's "color" looks more healthy
:) Can we say "jaundice elephant"? :)
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> I prefer the original one too...the elephant's "color" looks more healthy
> :) Can we say "jaundice elephant"? :)
I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
If we ever choose one of them to be it, I would like to add
the raytracing sources and the image it uses along with a
description which tools are required and how to build it to
the www module of CVS. I think a new directory ./www/logo
would be sufficient.
Not that I think many of us could actually do anything with
them, but just for the case of some accident, another one has
a chance to take over.
Jan
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> Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > I prefer the original one too...the elephant's "color" looks more healthy > > :) Can we say "jaundice elephant"? :) > > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look. > > If we ever choose one of them to be it, I would like to add > the raytracing sources and the image it uses along with a > description which tools are required and how to build it to > the www module of CVS. I think a new directory ./www/logo > would be sufficient. > > Not that I think many of us could actually do anything with > them, but just for the case of some accident, another one has > a chance to take over. I like it. Can we add color back into the elephant in the jewel? -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
>
> I like it. Can we add color back into the elephant in the jewel?
No. The golden one (actually it was more yellow) looked
really sick, and it's contrast to the jewel was too low for
the "Carried by" size.
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Thus spake Jan Wieck
> I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
I know that "Powered by" isn't quite right but "Carried by" doesn't
seem right either. I understand the elephant reference in "Carried
by" but I bet most people won't get it right off. How does this
one sound? "Empowered by."
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On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> Thus spake Jan Wieck
> > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
>
> I know that "Powered by" isn't quite right but "Carried by" doesn't
> seem right either. I understand the elephant reference in "Carried
> by" but I bet most people won't get it right off. How does this
> one sound? "Empowered by."
*groan* That word and it's derivitives are insanely overused.
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Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL LOGO (was: Developers Globe (FINAL))
From
jwieck@debis.com (Jan Wieck)
Date:
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> Thus spake Jan Wieck
> > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
>
> I know that "Powered by" isn't quite right but "Carried by" doesn't
> seem right either. I understand the elephant reference in "Carried
> by" but I bet most people won't get it right off. How does this
> one sound? "Empowered by."
In the context of computers (and thus any WEB server), the
word "Power" only reminds me to something measured in Volts
and Amperes. So I just wanted to get rid of it.
I really liked the "PostgreSQL underneath" for the
crocodiles. But that doesn't fit for an elephant.
What about these:
PostgreSQL
in background
PostgreSQL
accelerated
Supported by
PostgreSQL
PostgreSQL
driven
Or just without any such wording - why not?
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Perfect...I like the 'sample home page' you built also...it works for me
without a doubt :)
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> > I prefer the original one too...the elephant's "color" looks more healthy
> > :) Can we say "jaundice elephant"? :)
>
> I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
>
> If we ever choose one of them to be it, I would like to add
> the raytracing sources and the image it uses along with a
> description which tools are required and how to build it to
> the www module of CVS. I think a new directory ./www/logo
> would be sufficient.
>
> Not that I think many of us could actually do anything with
> them, but just for the case of some accident, another one has
> a chance to take over.
>
>
> Jan
>
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>
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On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
>
> > Thus spake Jan Wieck
> > > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the
> > > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added
> > > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look.
> >
> > I know that "Powered by" isn't quite right but "Carried by" doesn't
> > seem right either. I understand the elephant reference in "Carried
> > by" but I bet most people won't get it right off. How does this
> > one sound? "Empowered by."
>
> In the context of computers (and thus any WEB server), the
> word "Power" only reminds me to something measured in Volts
> and Amperes. So I just wanted to get rid of it.
>
> I really liked the "PostgreSQL underneath" for the
> crocodiles. But that doesn't fit for an elephant.
>
> What about these:
>
> PostgreSQL
> in background
>
> PostgreSQL
> accelerated
>
> Supported by
> PostgreSQL
>
> PostgreSQL
> driven
I'd go more:
driven byPostgreSQL
>
> Or just without any such wording - why not?
>
>
> Jan
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>
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> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > I've removed that jaundice one and slightly polished up the > > > jewel. There's now a "Carried by" logo too. And I've added > > > another idea to the whole thing - just take a look. > > > > I like it. Can we add color back into the elephant in the jewel? > > No. The golden one (actually it was more yellow) looked > really sick, and it's contrast to the jewel was too low for > the "Carried by" size. Actually, I liked the naturally-colored elephant. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
>> What about these:
PostgreSQL used here!
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
> >> What about these:
>
> PostgreSQL
> used here!
that one works too...
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Kaare Rasmussen <kar@webline.dk> writes: > >> What about these: > > PostgreSQL > used here! Gets my vote.