Thread: Re: [pgsql-www] where can I get the new logo in bigger size?
Susanne Ebrecht a écrit : > Hi all, > > since more then a year now we have a new logo. So I wanted to use it > instead of the old one for the Fosdem. I looked at: > > http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda > > But the blue elephant logo that you will get there is just 32x32. > > When you follow the link to pgfoundry you will find an archives but > there you only will get the old elephant logo. > > I tried resizing the psd but it already looked horrible in 256x256. > > I need 512x512 or bigger. Is there a chance to get such a logo? > > Best Regards, > > Susanne > hi Susanne, You can find an SVG version here : http://svn.postgresql.fr/repos/materials/advocacy/trunk/logos/postgresql/Postgresql_elephant.monochrome.white.svg Using Inkscape you can export the logo to the size and file format that you want. I agree with you that the pgfoundry project is very confusing because it's hard to find what you really need. The paradox is that the page containing the graphic documents is not visually appealling :-) check it out --> http://pgfoundry.org/docman/?group_id=1000089 Maybe we could start a page on the wiki dedicated to propaganda. That page would display all the official images rather than just a listing their URL. Does anyone agree with that or am i the only one to think that it's hard to make proper propaganda for PostgreSQL ? ;-) -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
damien@dalibo.info schrieb: > Susanne Ebrecht a écrit : > >> Hi all, >> >> since more then a year now we have a new logo. So I wanted to use it >> instead of the old one for the Fosdem. I looked at: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda >> >> But the blue elephant logo that you will get there is just 32x32. >> >> When you follow the link to pgfoundry you will find an archives but >> there you only will get the old elephant logo. >> >> I tried resizing the psd but it already looked horrible in 256x256. >> >> I need 512x512 or bigger. Is there a chance to get such a logo? >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Susanne >> >> > > hi Susanne, > > You can find an SVG version here : > http://svn.postgresql.fr/repos/materials/advocacy/trunk/logos/postgresql/Postgresql_elephant.monochrome.white.svg > Damien, that is it!! Seems you were the only one who understood me immediately. Many thanks, Susanne -- Susanne Ebrecht 52066 Aachen, Germany PostgreSQL European Group Email: miracee@miracee.de
Susanne Ebrecht a écrit : > damien@dalibo.info schrieb: >> Susanne Ebrecht a écrit : >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> since more then a year now we have a new logo. So I wanted to use it >>> instead of the old one for the Fosdem. I looked at: >>> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda >>> >>> But the blue elephant logo that you will get there is just 32x32. >>> >>> When you follow the link to pgfoundry you will find an archives but >>> there you only will get the old elephant logo. >>> >>> I tried resizing the psd but it already looked horrible in 256x256. >>> >>> I need 512x512 or bigger. Is there a chance to get such a logo? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Susanne >>> >>> >> >> hi Susanne, >> >> You can find an SVG version here : >> http://svn.postgresql.fr/repos/materials/advocacy/trunk/logos/postgresql/Postgresql_elephant.monochrome.white.svg >> >> > > Damien, > > that is it!! > Seems you were the only one who understood me immediately. > That's because i asked myself exactly the same question two weeks ago when i started working on the new PGEU rollups :-) As far as i can tell there's no SVG version of the new logo on the pgfroundry page, so i had to draw it using inkscape and the old one. i'm glad you find it useful ! -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
For what it's worth, it's my understanding that it is not a *new* logo, but rather an interpretation of the official logo that's used in the header of the main site. The official logo is still the official logo.
Regards,
Gavin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM, damien@dalibo.info <damien@dalibo.info> wrote:
Susanne Ebrecht a écrit :
> damien@dalibo.info schrieb:
>> Susanne Ebrecht a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> since more then a year now we have a new logo. So I wanted to use it
>>> instead of the old one for the Fosdem. I looked at:
>>>
>>> http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda
>>>
>>> But the blue elephant logo that you will get there is just 32x32.
>>>
>>> When you follow the link to pgfoundry you will find an archives but
>>> there you only will get the old elephant logo.
>>>
>>> I tried resizing the psd but it already looked horrible in 256x256.
>>>
>>> I need 512x512 or bigger. Is there a chance to get such a logo?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Susanne
>>>
>>>
>>
>> hi Susanne,
>>
>> You can find an SVG version here :
>> http://svn.postgresql.fr/repos/materials/advocacy/trunk/logos/postgresql/Postgresql_elephant.monochrome.white.svg
>>
>>
>
> Damien,
>
> that is it!!
> Seems you were the only one who understood me immediately.
>
That's because i asked myself exactly the same question two weeks ago
when i started working on the new PGEU rollups :-)
As far as i can tell there's no SVG version of the new logo on the
pgfroundry page, so i had to draw it using inkscape and the old one.
i'm glad you find it useful !
--
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Gavin M. Roy wrote: > For what it's worth, it's my understanding that it is not a *new* logo, > but rather an interpretation of the official logo that's used in the > header of the main site. The official logo is still the official logo. Gavin's correct. That's not any *new* logo, it's just a version of our logo which works with the home page design. --Josh
Gavin M. Roy a écrit : > For what it's worth, it's my understanding that it is not a *new* logo, but > rather an interpretation of the official logo that's used in the header of > the main site. The official logo is still the official logo. > Well in that case i can't help but notice that the official logo is nowhere to be found on the official website :-) Note that i've no problem with having several "more-or-less" official logos. All i'm saying is that it's confusing to see that some version are only available in the pgfoundry projets, while the version used on the homepage can't be found in SVG format. Trust me, i don't want to start any flame war such as the "PostgreSQL vs. Postgres" thread. :-) All i'm saying is that the pgfoundry page seems a bit outdates and now that we have a wiki we could use it to help people who want to create graphical art for PostgreSQL. Obviously the fact that we're having this discussion shows that things could be more clear and simple. Regards, -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
Damien, > Well in that case i can't help but notice that the official logo is > nowhere to be found on the official website :-) Huh? http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda which has some images, plus a link to: http://pgfoundry.org/projects/graphics/ In what way is this not "official"? How is a wiki more "official", or a better place for logos, than pgFoundry? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL San Francisco
Josh Berkus a écrit : > Damien, > >> Well in that case i can't help but notice that the official logo is >> nowhere to be found on the official website :-) > > Huh? > > http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda > Yes. My point was just to say that what Gavin described as the official logo ( i.e. the blue/white/black elephant head ) is not displayed on the propaganda page. As this logo is not available on the www.postgresql.org website, i came to the conclusion that it was an "old version" and the "new version" was the one that was displayed in the banner on each page of www.postgresql.org ( i.e. the white-only elephant head ) Apparently i'm not the only one who made this mistake. > which has some images, plus a link to: > > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/graphics/ > > In what way is this not "official"? How is a wiki more "official", or a > better place for logos, than pgFoundry? > The wiki is not more official than pgFoundry :-) All i'm saying is that pgFoundry may not be the better place to display graphics. I'm sure it's useful for coders and project managers. But for visual artwork, it's almost depressing... For instance, looking for a specific item takes a very long time. If the files were in a gallery, pgfoundry would be far more intuitive and easy to use. I might be wrong but my guess is that pgfoundry can't display simultaneously those images. Instead we have just a list of links and you have to click on each link and then unzip the files to find what you want. So i just proposed to do a kind of gallery on the wiki, because i know mediawiki can do such things... Let's just have a look at what other projects do : http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/logos/ http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates/homepage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Proposed/AllImages I'm not saying we should follow these examples blindly, but maybe we could discuss what can be done to help people who want to create marketing material for PostgreSQL. Here's some ideas that could make things easier : 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful. 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF, and AI files could be replaced by SVG. 3- Don't ZIP artwork files. 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example : http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example : http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too. -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
Damien, > 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful. > > 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice > but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF, > and AI files could be replaced by SVG. > > 3- Don't ZIP artwork files. > > 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example : > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding > > 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example : > http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors > > 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too. All of these things sound great. Can you set them up? --Josh
Josh Berkus a écrit : > Damien, > >> 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful. >> >> 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice >> but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF, >> and AI files could be replaced by SVG. >> >> 3- Don't ZIP artwork files. >> >> 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example : >> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding >> >> 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example : >> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors >> >> 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too. > > > All of these things sound great. Can you set them up? > Sure. Here's a draft of what could be the advocacy main page on the wiki : http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Propaganda And 2 pages about identity and colors : http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Identity_Guidelines http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Color_Palette These pages are are simple example of what we could do to define a common basis for advocacy efforts. Once again this is work in progress, so feel free to add/correct/modify the content. Any comment is more than welcome. If you have done any kind of advocacy or if you know where to find PostgreSQL related flyers, posters, roll-ups, stickers, whatever, don't hesitate to share it on this page -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
AFAIK there is no alternative logo. I believe the turtle is a logo for the Japanese PostgreSQL association, it is not a logo for the official PostgreSQL project.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, damien@dalibo.info <damien@dalibo.info> wrote:
Josh Berkus a écrit :> Damien,Sure.
>
>> 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful.
>>
>> 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice
>> but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF,
>> and AI files could be replaced by SVG.
>>
>> 3- Don't ZIP artwork files.
>>
>> 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example :
>> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding
>>
>> 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example :
>> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors
>>
>> 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too.
>
>
> All of these things sound great. Can you set them up?
>
Here's a draft of what could be the advocacy main page on the wiki :
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Propaganda
And 2 pages about identity and colors :
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Identity_Guidelines
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Color_Palette
These pages are are simple example of what we could do to define a
common basis for advocacy efforts.
Once again this is work in progress, so feel free to add/correct/modify
the content. Any comment is more than welcome.
If you have done any kind of advocacy or if you know where to find
PostgreSQL related flyers, posters, roll-ups, stickers, whatever, don't
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damien@dalibo.info wrote: > Here's a draft of what could be the advocacy main page on the wiki : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Propaganda > > And 2 pages about identity and colors : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Identity_Guidelines > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Color_Palette > > These pages are are simple example of what we could do to define a > common basis for advocacy efforts. Good stuff. Suggestion: On http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Advocacy, the second bullet reads "Guides to promoting PostgreSQL". The stuff it links to should be moved to the PostgreSQL Booth section later on that page. Instead, link your Propaganda page from the "Guides to promoting" link.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM, damien@dalibo.info <damien@dalibo.info> wrote: > Here's a draft of what could be the advocacy main page on the wiki : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Propaganda > > And 2 pages about identity and colors : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Identity_Guidelines I've modified that slightly to note the elephant's name, and that the turtle logo is used in Japan (it's not an alternate). > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Color_Palette The light blue is meant to be a gradient rather than a solid colour (that's what gives the website banner the slight shine). On some of the artwork we've used though, it's been modified to a shade from somewhere in the middle of that gradient. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 11:45 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM, damien@dalibo.info > <damien@dalibo.info> wrote: > The light blue is meant to be a gradient rather than a solid colour > (that's what gives the website banner the slight shine). On some of > the artwork we've used though, it's been modified to a shade from > somewhere in the middle of that gradient. > It should be noted that the United States community sign matches the elephant lines but not the colors. We use a gradient sign. Joshua D. Drake > > -- > Dave Page > EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com > -- PostgreSQL - XMPP: jdrake@jabber.postgresql.org Consulting, Development, Support, Training 503-667-4564 - http://www.commandprompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company, serving since 1997
Thanks for the change, however I believe it should either be dropped, since it is user group specific. If you're keen on keeping it, I'd suggest something along the lines of: "The Japan PostgreSQL Users Group's logo is a turtle." and if you add that then you should add "The Italian PostgreSQL Users Group uses a cartoon elephant with an Italian flag." (see itpug.org) and go down the list. I know the France Users Group has a different logo as well, the normal logo with a sort of multi-color circle around it: http://www.postgresql.fr/ Regards, Gavin On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:33 PM, damien@dalibo.info <damien@dalibo.info> wrote: > > Josh Berkus a écrit : > > Damien, > > > >> 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful. > >> > >> 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice > >> but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF, > >> and AI files could be replaced by SVG. > >> > >> 3- Don't ZIP artwork files. > >> > >> 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example : > >> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding > >> > >> 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example : > >> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors > >> > >> 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too. > > > > > > All of these things sound great. Can you set them up? > > > > Sure. > > Here's a draft of what could be the advocacy main page on the wiki : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Propaganda > > And 2 pages about identity and colors : > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Identity_Guidelines > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Color_Palette > > These pages are are simple example of what we could do to define a > common basis for advocacy efforts. > > Once again this is work in progress, so feel free to add/correct/modify > the content. Any comment is more than welcome. > > If you have done any kind of advocacy or if you know where to find > PostgreSQL related flyers, posters, roll-ups, stickers, whatever, don't > hesitate to share it on this page > > > -- > damien clochard > http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy
Gavin M. Roy a écrit : > Thanks for the change, however I believe it should either be dropped, > since it is user group specific. > If you're keen on keeping it, I'd suggest something along the lines of: > > "The Japan PostgreSQL Users Group's logo is a turtle." > > and if you add that then you should add > > "The Italian PostgreSQL Users Group uses a cartoon elephant with an > Italian flag." (see itpug.org) > and go down the list. > > I know the France Users Group has a different logo as well, the normal > logo with a sort of multi-color circle around it: > http://www.postgresql.fr/ > Yep the multi-color circle is the logo of the International Organization of the Francophonie (i.e. french speaking community) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francophonie You might find it on other french-speaking open source groups such as Gnome-FR : http://media.biologeek.com/images/logos/gnome-fr.png I think the propaganda page shouldn't talk about local group logos. concerning the turtle i thought that in Japan it is actually used instead of the elephant , it's not the logo of the japanses community in itself. So i told made myself that was more an "alternate" logo rather than a community logo, but i recognize the differennce is very subtile :-) I didn't knew about the advocacy page on the wiki when i started this thread. Now i guess some parts of my messages might have been a bit disrespectful to the people that worked on this page. I'm sorry for that. -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 17:26:43 damien@dalibo.info wrote: > Gavin M. Roy a écrit : > > Thanks for the change, however I believe it should either be dropped, > > since it is user group specific. > > If you're keen on keeping it, I'd suggest something along the lines of: > > > > "The Japan PostgreSQL Users Group's logo is a turtle." > > > > and if you add that then you should add > > > > "The Italian PostgreSQL Users Group uses a cartoon elephant with an > > Italian flag." (see itpug.org) > > and go down the list. > > > > I know the France Users Group has a different logo as well, the normal > > logo with a sort of multi-color circle around it: > > http://www.postgresql.fr/ > > Yep the multi-color circle is the logo of the International Organization > of the Francophonie (i.e. french speaking community) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francophonie > > You might find it on other french-speaking open source groups such as > Gnome-FR : http://media.biologeek.com/images/logos/gnome-fr.png > > I think the propaganda page shouldn't talk about local group logos. > concerning the turtle i thought that in Japan it is actually used > instead of the elephant , it's not the logo of the japanses community in > itself. So i told made myself that was more an "alternate" logo rather > than a community logo, but i recognize the differennce is very subtile :-) > Well, that was certainly the original reasoning. I remember being told that if you went to Japan and showed them the elephant logo, you might get zero recognition. Ie. in Japan, the turtle is postgres is the turtle, and the elephant logo is odd. Perhaps that has changed now? Maybe JPUG has adopted the turtle as it's own, and the elephant is also recognized... dunno, perhaps we can get someone from JPUG to wiegh in? > I didn't knew about the advocacy page on the wiki when i started this > thread. Now i guess some parts of my messages might have been a bit > disrespectful to the people that worked on this page. I'm sorry for that. > Sometime you have to shake things up to make progress. As long as you're willing to put in the effort to improve things, I don't think anyone will give it a second thought. -- Robert Treat Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net Consulting: http://www.omniti.com
On Sunday 01 February 2009 12:27:37 damien@dalibo.info wrote: > Josh Berkus a écrit : > > Damien, > > > >> Well in that case i can't help but notice that the official logo is > >> nowhere to be found on the official website :-) > > > > Huh? > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/community/propaganda > > Yes. My point was just to say that what Gavin described as the official > logo ( i.e. the blue/white/black elephant head ) is not displayed on the > propaganda page. > > As this logo is not available on the www.postgresql.org website, i came > to the conclusion that it was an "old version" and the "new version" was > the one that was displayed in the banner on each page of > www.postgresql.org ( i.e. the white-only elephant head ) > > Apparently i'm not the only one who made this mistake. > > > which has some images, plus a link to: > > > > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/graphics/ > > > > In what way is this not "official"? How is a wiki more "official", or a > > better place for logos, than pgFoundry? > > The wiki is not more official than pgFoundry :-) > > All i'm saying is that pgFoundry may not be the better place to display > graphics. I'm sure it's useful for coders and project managers. But for > visual artwork, it's almost depressing... > For instance, looking for a specific item takes a very long time. If the > files were in a gallery, pgfoundry would be far more intuitive and easy > to use. I might be wrong but my guess is that pgfoundry can't display > simultaneously those images. Instead we have just a list of links and > you have to click on each link and then unzip the files to find what you > want. Actually pgfoundry does provide static home page files, so a gallery could e put up there. I do think the wiki is probably a better place than using pgfoundrys web space though (remember, we had no wiki at the time the current stuff was put up) > > So i just proposed to do a kind of gallery on the wiki, because i know > mediawiki can do such things... > > Let's just have a look at what other projects do : > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/marketing/logos/ > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates/homepage > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Proposed/AllImages > > I'm not saying we should follow these examples blindly, but maybe we > could discuss what can be done to help people who want to create > marketing material for PostgreSQL. > > Here's some ideas that could make things easier : > > 1- As i said, putting the logos in a gallery would be useful. > The main reason we didnt do this original was because folks were concerned about bandwidth involved in showing a page with hundreads of images. So, we put up some of the most common ones with a pointer to where people could find more if they were really looking for them. > 2- Avoid proprietary formats. Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop are nice > but Inskape and The Gimp both rock. PSD files could be replaced by XCF, > and AI files could be replaced by SVG. > AIUI, the images done on the current propoganda page were created with Photoshop, and we felt it better to give people the source files if they wanted to modify or convert them, rather than just the GIF files. Personally I'd like to see the GIF files replaced with PNG files as well... > 3- Don't ZIP artwork files. > Again, this was done for bandwith purposes. (Not arguing it doesn't suck in several ways, just letting you know the reason) > 4- Describe something like "identity guidelines". For example : > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Branding > +1 > 5- Define a color palette would be cool. For example : > http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors > +1 > 6- Sharing Scribus templates would be nice too. > +1 One reason this has never been changed is there was disagreement over what direction we should go. Some people like yourself wanted to do a gallery of pictures, because of its visual appeal and being somewhat simple for end users. The main arguments against that were issues with browser compatability/ stability (some browsers will choke on things like svg files, or if you go to a page with couple MB of images to download). The other issue is that the gallery idea seemed limited for tracking changes over time; some people wanted us to put items into CVS repository on pgfoundry, and have end users access them via CVS. This way updated images couldbe kept track of, and it would be easy to access the images en masse, using tools many project members would be familiar with. While you're going through all of this, it's important to also realize we need to server two groups of people here. The first group is advocacy folks theselves; ie people like yourself and Susanne, who are creating flyers and other materials for promoting postgres. For you folks, a few extra hoops is not so much a problem. But the other group of people is that of casual users who just want to stick a Postgres button on thier web page / blog etc... for those users, getting these web buttons needs to be extremely easy (both to find and download) a la the propoganda page. -- Robert Treat Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net Consulting: http://www.omniti.com