Thread: developer.com: PostgreSQL is the "Database of the year"
Hi, http://www.developer.com/design/article.php/10925_3721761_1 Winners of the Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008 are announced: Quote: ==================================================== Database Tool or Add-in The finalists were: * Hibernate * Java DB * MySQL * Oracle Database 10g * PostgreSQL And the winner is PostgreSQL. This one surprised us and taught us something about our audience base. We need to do a better job of covering this topic! Postgresql.org touts this product as "The world's most advanced open source database" and after seeing the votes, they may just be correct. ===================================================== Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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> And the winner is PostgreSQL. Great news. Privileged to Lead.
On 18/01/2008, Mike Ellsworth <younicycle@gmail.com> wrote: > > And the winner is PostgreSQL. > Privileged to Lead. And ahead of both Oracle and "the other popular open source DB which Sun recently acquired" :} -- Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes concise. http://www.american.edu/econ/notes/htmlmail.htm
> And the winner is PostgreSQL. Congratulations to everyone that helped make it happen. And thank you to all who voted. -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz Get Sheeky @ http://Sheeky.Biz
W00T! 2008/1/17, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@commandprompt.com>: > Hi, > > http://www.developer.com/design/article.php/10925_3721761_1 > > Winners of the Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008 are announced: > > Quote: > ==================================================== > Database Tool or Add-in > The finalists were: > > * Hibernate > * Java DB > * MySQL > * Oracle Database 10g > * PostgreSQL > > And the winner is PostgreSQL. This one surprised us and taught us > something about our audience base. We need to do a better job of > covering this topic! Postgresql.org touts this product as "The world's > most advanced open source database" and after seeing the votes, they may > just be correct. > ===================================================== > > Regards, > -- > Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support > Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > -- (all opinions expressed are my own) Federico Campoli is: @ ITPUG -> Segretario, http://www.itpug.org @ PLUG -> Presidente, http://www.prato.linux.it PostgreSQL Consulting -> PGHost http://www.pghost.eu
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:15 -0800, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > http://www.developer.com/design/article.php/10925_3721761_1 > > Winners of the Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008 are announced: ... > And the winner is PostgreSQL. I think we should add a sentence fragment to our forthcoming press release for 8.3: "PostgreSQL, Winner of Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008, ..." or if you have stomach for more: "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements. I'm not bothered if it can't be translated into all languages in time. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:37:05 +0000 Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's > Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows > 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." > > It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include > *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements. > > I'm not bothered if it can't be translated into all languages in time. +1 Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company: Since 1997, http://www.commandprompt.com/ Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate SELECT 'Training', 'Consulting' FROM vendor WHERE name = 'CMD' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkQTGATb/zqfZUUQRApNyAKCRWY17rQDHt12e61y3QWLb2GnzCQCgpAtK LtUwd6vmPsmZ+20HNMr7JjQ= =nRmk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 18 January 2008 14:57, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:37:05 +0000
>
> Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> > "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's
> > Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows
> > 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal."
> >
> > It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include
> > *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements.
> >
> > I'm not bothered if it can't be translated into all languages in time.
>
> +1
>
-2, as a general rule you should never mention competing products in your
product announcements.
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Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
How about something like "beating out all other popular open source and proprietary databases?"
Gavin
On 1/18/08, Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
On Friday 18 January 2008 14:57, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:37:05 +0000
>
> Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
> > "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's
> > Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows
> > 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal."
> >
> > It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include
> > *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements.
> >
> > I'm not bothered if it can't be translated into all languages in time.
>
> +1
>
-2, as a general rule you should never mention competing products in your
product announcements.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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On 18/01/2008, Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008 14:57, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:37:05 +0000 > > > > Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > > > "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's > > > Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows > > > 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." > > > > > > It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include > > > *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements. > > > > > > I'm not bothered if it can't be translated into all languages in time. > > > > +1 > > > > -2, as a general rule you should never mention competing products in your > product announcements. 'beating other leading Open Source and Commericial DBMSs' ? /D
Dave Page написа: [...] > 'beating other leading Open Source and Commericial DBMSs' ? More like 'beating other popular Open Source and Commericial DBMSs'. -- Milen A. Radev
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:02:21 +0200 "Milen A. Radev" <milen@radev.net> wrote: > Dave Page написа: > [...] > > 'beating other leading Open Source and Commericial DBMSs' ? > > More like 'beating other popular Open Source and Commericial DBMSs'. > once against toppling lessor rivals. - -- The PostgreSQL Company: Since 1997, http://www.commandprompt.com/ Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate SELECT 'Training', 'Consulting' FROM vendor WHERE name = 'CMD' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkSOsATb/zqfZUUQRAoBRAJ9MrTR6ktpPB08dSFlr/KCf/oudRQCdGGSt JZ6fUQtqgqRC0lVEG72UAMo= =oR0e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Robert Treat wrote: >> Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: >>> "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's >>> Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows >>> 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." > > -2, as a general rule you should never mention competing products in your > product announcements. Yeah, saying you won implies that all the competition you'd expect in that category was soundly thrashed and specifically smacking them might be considered poor form for the new release announcement. Simon's statement is a little misleading the way it's worded now as well (it wasn't their overall product of the year, just the database one). How about this re-worked version: PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool or Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive Editor's Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
[sorry, Greg, for the earlier msg] On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote: > PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool or > Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive Editor's > Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal. +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same breath. -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx http://www.chesnok.com/daily
On Jan 18, 2008 5:34 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote: > > PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool or > > Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive Editor's > > Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal. > > +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same breath. +1 for not being too marketroidal -- Jonah H. Harris, Sr. Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1324 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 499 Thornall Street, 2nd Floor | jonah.harris@enterprisedb.com Edison, NJ 08837 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 16:45 -0500, Robert Treat wrote: > -2, as a general rule you should never mention competing products in your > product announcements. If it really is a general rule, it wasn't written by somebody fighting for recognition and market share, as we are. Our competitors don't mention Postgres yet, because it would merely highlight our strengths to do so. They will soon and they won't wear gloves when they do. If we beat somebody in a fair fight, we should say so. I haven't suggested running them down, just saying we beat them. If people don't know who we beat, they might just think the competition was Access and Ingres. Nothing wrong in giving a press release some teeth. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 17:23 -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > Simon's statement > is a little misleading the way it's worded now as well (it wasn't their > overall product of the year, just the database one). How about this > re-worked version: No intent to mislead, just a thinko. No problem with adding that in. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:19:14 +0000 Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > If we beat somebody in a fair fight, we should say so. I haven't > suggested running them down, just saying we beat them. If people don't > know who we beat, they might just think the competition was Access and > Ingres. > > Nothing wrong in giving a press release some teeth. In general I agree with you. However we need to be careful here. For example, the lead in quote we have for the 8.3 press release is from a VP at Sun. If it were up to me, we would never put a quote from a PostgreSQL company in the PR. It should only be from actual users. I mean who really cares that a PostgreSQL company thinks that PostgreSQL is great? Let's hear from Etsy, ADP, Macrovision, Steel Rubber Products, Pagesix, NOAA, NASA etc... I would also note that it is likely too late to do this for 8.3. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company: Since 1997, http://www.commandprompt.com/ Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate SELECT 'Training', 'Consulting' FROM vendor WHERE name = 'CMD' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkTrNATb/zqfZUUQRArKmAKCFTlQ6+WklX6U0oVq0uKUNZyjGdACgoZC8 58hvq65uzrPBCqaxdYmnsuA= =jpE/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 18. January 2008, Simon Riggs wrote: >"PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's >Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows > 5 consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." "Among the also-rans were MySQL an Oracle" should cover the most? -- Leif Biberg Kristensen | Registered Linux User #338009 http://solumslekt.org/ | Cruising with Gentoo/KDE My Jazz Jukebox: http://www.last.fm/user/leifbk/
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 15:48 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:19:14 +0000 > Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > > > If we beat somebody in a fair fight, we should say so. I haven't > > suggested running them down, just saying we beat them. If people don't > > know who we beat, they might just think the competition was Access and > > Ingres. > > > > Nothing wrong in giving a press release some teeth. > > In general I agree with you. However we need to be careful here. For > example, the lead in quote we have for the 8.3 press release is from a > VP at Sun. I think its good that we have the VP from Sun and my suggested wording might endanger that, so I withdraw the request to mention other companies directly. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
Josh, > Let's hear from Etsy, ADP, Macrovision, Steel Rubber Products, Pagesix, > NOAA, NASA etc... Hey, I openly solicited for quotes. I don't have any contacts at the companies you name; if you do, then you should solicit them. > I would also note that it is likely too late to do this for 8.3. Most definitely. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:31:34 -0800 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Josh, > > > Let's hear from Etsy, ADP, Macrovision, Steel Rubber Products, > > Pagesix, NOAA, NASA etc... > > Hey, I openly solicited for quotes. I don't have any contacts at the > companies you name; if you do, then you should solicit them. I know I am not blaming you. Frankly I blame me. I probably could have got those quotes. I will make it a point next time. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company: Since 1997, http://www.commandprompt.com/ Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate SELECT 'Training', 'Consulting' FROM vendor WHERE name = 'CMD' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkWLsATb/zqfZUUQRAiegAKCIRvlNvm+eyvo5OLyGOOg3u+mqFwCfS2wM kVofGwSDUByzg7L0qawvITs= =gZAD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 18 January 2008 17:43, Jonah H. Harris wrote:
> On Jan 18, 2008 5:34 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote:
> > > PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool
> > > or Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive
> > > Editor's Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal.
> >
> > +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same
> > breath.
>
> +1 for not being too marketroidal
IMHO this is a distraction to the point of the press release, which is to tell
people we have a new version of the software. If people really think this is
an important item, then we should 1) Change the main blurb on the web page,
2) Add a news item to the pgsql news list on the main website, 3) Send an
email to pgsql-announce with mini-press release of the event, and 4) Drop a
note to our press-friendlies about the occurance, positioned something
like "on the eve of releasing PostgreSQL 8.3, the database has nabbed yet
another award" (this could be similar working to the mini-release for
announce).
Note: I'm already trying to get in contact with the folks at developer.com, if
anyone has a direct contact they could put me in touch with, that would be
appreciated.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert Treat wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008 17:43, Jonah H. Harris wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2008 5:34 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote: >>>> PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool >>>> or Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive >>>> Editor's Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal. >>> +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same >>> breath. >> +1 for not being too marketroidal > > IMHO this is a distraction to the point of the press release, which is to tell > people we have a new version of the software. If people really think this is > an important item, then we should 1) Change the main blurb on the web page, > 2) Add a news item to the pgsql news list on the main website, 3) Send an > email to pgsql-announce with mini-press release of the event, and 4) Drop a > note to our press-friendlies about the occurance, positioned something > like "on the eve of releasing PostgreSQL 8.3, the database has nabbed yet > another award" (this could be similar working to the mini-release for > announce). > > Note: I'm already trying to get in contact with the folks at developer.com, if > anyone has a direct contact they could put me in touch with, that would be > appreciated. +1 -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/
Folks, The 8.3 press release has already been translated into 13 languages. We are *not* changing the text, especially based on a popularity contest at a magazine. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > The 8.3 press release has already been translated into 13 languages. > We are *not* changing the text, especially based on a popularity > contest at a magazine. > Robert Treat wrote: > 4) Drop a note to our press-friendlies about the occurance, > positioned something like "on the eve of releasing PostgreSQL 8.3, > the database has nabbed yet another award" (this could be similar > working to the mini-release for announce). I liked the idea of having it in the press release but if not, getting the press to mention it as the introduction to the release is a good idea. Instead of the headline "PostgreSQL releases new version" it could be "Database of the year releases new version" which I think could get more readers. -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz Get Sheeky @ http://Sheeky.Biz
Robert Treat wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008 17:43, Jonah H. Harris wrote: >> On Jan 18, 2008 5:34 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote: >>>> PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool >>>> or Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive >>>> Editor's Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal. >>> +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same >>> breath. >> +1 for not being too marketroidal > > IMHO this is a distraction to the point of the press release, which is to tell > people we have a new version of the software. If people really think this is > an important item, then we should 1) Change the main blurb on the web page, > 2) Add a news item to the pgsql news list on the main website, 3) Send an > email to pgsql-announce with mini-press release of the event, and 4) Drop a > note to our press-friendlies about the occurance, positioned something > like "on the eve of releasing PostgreSQL 8.3, the database has nabbed yet > another award" (this could be similar working to the mini-release for > announce). FWIW, #2 was already done by Berkus, but nobody had approved it for some reason. Said nobody includes you, so you should already have known about that one :P //Magnus
On Saturday 19 January 2008 06:24, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> Robert Treat wrote:
> > On Friday 18 January 2008 17:43, Jonah H. Harris wrote:
> >> On Jan 18, 2008 5:34 PM, Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 18, 2008 2:23 PM, Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote:
> >>>> PostgreSQL has recently been announced Developer.com's "Database Tool
> >>>> or Add-in" Product of the Year for 2008. This follows 5 consecutive
> >>>> Editor's Choice Awards for "Best Database" from LinuxJournal.
> >>>
> >>> +1 for directness and +1 for mentioning the earlier awards in the same
> >>> breath.
> >>
> >> +1 for not being too marketroidal
> >
> > IMHO this is a distraction to the point of the press release, which is to
> > tell people we have a new version of the software. If people really
> > think this is an important item, then we should 1) Change the main blurb
> > on the web page, 2) Add a news item to the pgsql news list on the main
> > website, 3) Send an email to pgsql-announce with mini-press release of
> > the event, and 4) Drop a note to our press-friendlies about the
> > occurance, positioned something like "on the eve of releasing PostgreSQL
> > 8.3, the database has nabbed yet another award" (this could be similar
> > working to the mini-release for announce).
>
> FWIW, #2 was already done by Berkus, but nobody had approved it for some
> reason. Said nobody includes you, so you should already have known about
> that one :P
>
I'm not arguing that I should not have known, but I will note no one responded
to me when I asked on Tuesday if poeple were getting website notifications,
and that I wasn't.
--
Robert Treat
Build A Brighter LAMP :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Hi all, > I think we should add a sentence fragment to our forthcoming press > release for 8.3: > > "PostgreSQL, Winner of Developer.com's Product of the Year 2008, ..." Agreed! > or if you have stomach for more: > > "PostgreSQL has recently been announced as Winner of Developer.com's > Product of the Year 2008, beating both MySQL and Oracle. This follows 5 > consecutive Editor's Choice awards from LinuxJournal." I prefer this long version. Other RDBMS wouldn't hesitate in communicating this way, why would we ? > It's hot news and important news also, which I think we should include > *especially* in light of recent MySQL announcements. +1 We're preparing an article to be published at PostgreSQLFr.org, about this new award. Thanks. -- Jean-Paul Argudo www.PostgreSQLFr.org www.dalibo.com
What I found interesting about this, looking at who/what won the other awards, is that this website mainly attracts the Java/Enterprise sort of developers. I bet if we asked a bunch of Ruby on Rails developers we'd have gotten a different answer. But this, I think, is actually good news- if you think Postgres' real competitors are Oracle, Sybase, and DB2, and not MySQL. In other words, you're targetting the Java/Enterprise people a heck of a lot more than we're targetting the PHP people. And you're *succeeding*. Brian