Thread: 7.4 Development
Have core announced when they will stop supporting 7.4? -- Brad Nicholson 416-673-4106 Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp.
Brad Nicholson wrote: > Have core announced when they will stop supporting 7.4? No. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Brad, > Have core announced when they will stop supporting 7.4? Our stated policy has been to back-patch two versions before the current one. That means that, after 8.2 is released, we could theoretically stop patching 7.4. If, however, some commercial distributors of PostgreSQL continue to be interested in contributing patches further back than that to the community, then we're not going to reject them. So, in short: 7.4 patching *could* stop later this year, but is more likely to continue for some indefinite time beyond that. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On 8/21/06, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> > Have core announced when they will stop supporting 7.4?
>
> Our stated policy has been to back-patch two versions before the current one.
>
really? i have seen some patches on 7.3 branch few months ago...
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Tatsuo, > > So, in short: 7.4 patching *could* stop later this year, but is more > > likely to continue for some indefinite time beyond that. > > I thought the back patching policy is *three* versions before, not two > versions since we are currently supporting 7.3. Nope, 7.3 is being back-patched currently but there is no promise that that patching will continue. I think this is on our web page somewhere ... i.e. we *promise* to patch at least two versions back, and may patch more if we feel like it (or more accurately if someone sponsors it) but patching versions older than 2 versions old is NOT guarenteed. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Hello, On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 17:43 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > > I thought the back patching policy is *three* versions before, not > > two versions since we are currently supporting 7.3. > Nope, 7.3 is being back-patched currently but there is no promise that > that patching will continue. I think this is on our web page > somewhere .. AFAIR Tom has written that he will continue patching 7.3 for RHEL3 in the name of Red Hat. So I can count is like a promise if I'm a RHEL3 customer. AFAIK it is about 3 years from now on if they will be supporting RHEL 3 for 7 years, and 1 year from now on if the EOL is 1 year later (5-years support). However I believe 7.4 will not live that long, since none of the RHEL (or like) products contain PostgreSQL 7.4. Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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On Tuesday 29 August 2006 07:38, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 17:43 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > I thought the back patching policy is *three* versions before, not
> > > two versions since we are currently supporting 7.3.
> >
> > Nope, 7.3 is being back-patched currently but there is no promise that
> > that patching will continue. I think this is on our web page
> > somewhere ..
>
> AFAIR Tom has written that he will continue patching 7.3 for RHEL3 in
> the name of Red Hat. So I can count is like a promise if I'm a RHEL3
> customer. AFAIK it is about 3 years from now on if they will be
> supporting RHEL 3 for 7 years, and 1 year from now on if the EOL is 1
> year later (5-years support).
>
> However I believe 7.4 will not live that long, since none of the RHEL
> (or like) products contain PostgreSQL 7.4.
I suspect 7.4 will hang on for awhile though as iirc it is the version
included with Debian stable. While that doesn't seem like it would mean
much, I think that was one of the primary drivers of why 7.2 support stayed
around for so long.
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 August 2006 07:38, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> However I believe 7.4 will not live that long, since none of the RHEL
>> (or like) products contain PostgreSQL 7.4.
>
> I suspect 7.4 will hang on for awhile though as iirc it is the version
> included with Debian stable. While that doesn't seem like it would mean
> much, I think that was one of the primary drivers of why 7.2 support stayed
> around for so long.
etch is in beta3, so there may be a new stable release, if everything goes
well, by the end of this year, and both 7.4 and 8.1 are at this moment in
etch (don't know if any of them will get whipped away before stable etch
is out).
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Hello, On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 10:16 -0300, Martin Marques wrote: > etch is in beta3, so there may be a new stable release, if everything > goes well, by the end of this year, and both 7.4 and 8.1 are at this > moment in etch (don't know if any of them will get whipped away before > stable etch is out). Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch... Otherwise it will be again a pain like 7.2 for us... Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 16:24 schrieb Devrim GUNDUZ: > Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch... The probability of that happening is nil. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
Hello, On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 16:36 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch... > > The probability of that happening is nil. Great. This means we'll have 7.4 users until Jun 30, 2009 (per the schedule I remember). Regards, -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 16:24 schrieb Devrim GUNDUZ:
>> Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch...
>
> The probability of that happening is nil.
>
I think even Ubuntu offers 7.4.. But they also offer 81 and 80.
Joshua D. Drake
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:24:38 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>> Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 16:24 schrieb Devrim GUNDUZ:
>>> Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch...
>>
>> The probability of that happening is nil.
>>
>
> I think even Ubuntu offers 7.4.. But they also offer 81 and 80.
Etch offers 8.1. The question that remains is if any of them (7.4 or 8.1) gets kicked out of the final stable release
ofetch.
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All, > Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch... > Otherwise it will be again a pain like 7.2 for us... Hah, just wait. Sun spec calls for supporting released versions of PostgreSQL for Solaris for *6 years*. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Martin Marques wrote: > Etch offers 8.1. The question that remains is if any of them (7.4 or > 8.1) gets kicked out of the final stable release of etch. The answer is likely to be no. -- Peter Eisentraut http://developer.postgresql.org/~petere/
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:41:42PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > > Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch... > > Otherwise it will be again a pain like 7.2 for us... > > Hah, just wait. Sun spec calls for supporting released versions of > PostgreSQL for Solaris for *6 years*. I hope Sun's got a *lot* of money to throw at this because 6 years from now, no one in the PostgreSQL community will even remember quirks from 7.4, except in the vague sense of recalling that quirks existed. Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote!
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:58:01 -0700, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:41:42PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> > Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch...
>> > Otherwise it will be again a pain like 7.2 for us...
>>
>> Hah, just wait. Sun spec calls for supporting released versions of
>> PostgreSQL for Solaris for *6 years*.
>
> I hope Sun's got a *lot* of money to throw at this because 6 years
> from now, no one in the PostgreSQL community will even remember quirks
> from 7.4, except in the vague sense of recalling that quirks existed.
If I remember ok, 6 years ago we were with the brand new 7.0. :-)
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David Fetter wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:41:42PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> All,
>>
>>> Oh. Let's hope that the Debian folks will kick 7.4 out of etch...
>>> Otherwise it will be again a pain like 7.2 for us...
>> Hah, just wait. Sun spec calls for supporting released versions of
>> PostgreSQL for Solaris for *6 years*.
>
> I hope Sun's got a *lot* of money to throw at this because 6 years
> from now, no one in the PostgreSQL community will even remember quirks
> from 7.4, except in the vague sense of recalling that quirks existed.
I imagine something like this:
Yeah... I am running PostgreSQL 7.4 on Solaris 10 and I have...
Right about here, every consultant on the planet says, "Solaris still
exists?"
And:
"There was a PostgreSQL 7.4?"
(Disclaimer: I have nothing against Solaris)
Joshua D. Drake
>
> Cheers,
> D
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> I imagine something like this:
>
> Yeah... I am running PostgreSQL 7.4 on Solaris 10 and I have...
>
> Right about here, every consultant on the planet says, "Solaris still
> exists?"
pruebas=# SELECT version();
version
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PostgreSQL 7.4.3 on sparc-sun-solaris2.7, compiled by GCC 2.95.2
(1 row)
As you see, we still have one. :-(
Ofcourse, it's not a problem about upgrading PG, but that we want to
migrate Solaris to Linux, and that isn't so trivial, as there's a third
party database engine there (not PG).
> And:
>
> "There was a PostgreSQL 7.4?"
>
> (Disclaimer: I have nothing against Solaris)
I do. ;-)
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