Thread: Main page: about us
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. I think we need to change it back to the pre-conference version which stated "PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL compliant, open source ..." and strive to keep the text there. We can replace other areas (e.g. the "Featured User") box when something important like the conference wrap up needs to be on the main page. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607281711 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEyn3QvJuQZxSWSsgRAptnAKCFmH1gSWoSbKS7ACWJfpTGW3cnpwCfQzNU wxw2gIq7BPAUz9ObPNuDEs0= =/k9u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 28 July 2006 17:15, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere
> except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*.
> I think we need to change it back to the pre-conference
> version which stated "PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL
> compliant, open source ..." and strive to keep the text there.
> We can replace other areas (e.g. the "Featured User") box when
> something important like the conference wrap up needs to be on
> the main page.
Yeah, cause a lot of people accidentally type in postgresql and end up on our
page wondering what we are. ;-D
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Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere > except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. > I think we need to change it back to the pre-conference > version which stated "PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL > compliant, open source ..." and strive to keep the text there. > We can replace other areas (e.g. the "Featured User") box when > something important like the conference wrap up needs to be on > the main page. I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will also not likely "fall" upon us. We need to be advocating in the loudest reasonable voice (which is that part of the main page) everything that is going on. I am still irritated we didn't get our presence at OSCON up there (partially my fault). Joshua D. Drake > > - -- > Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com > PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607281711 > http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iD8DBQFEyn3QvJuQZxSWSsgRAptnAKCFmH1gSWoSbKS7ACWJfpTGW3cnpwCfQzNU > wxw2gIq7BPAUz9ObPNuDEs0= > =/k9u > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere >> except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. >> I think we need to change it back to the pre-conference >> version which stated "PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL >> compliant, open source ..." and strive to keep the text there. >> We can replace other areas (e.g. the "Featured User") box when >> something important like the conference wrap up needs to be on >> the main page. > > I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will also not > likely "fall" upon us. > > We need to be advocating in the loudest reasonable voice (which is that part > of the main page) everything that is going on. I am still irritated we didn't > get our presence at OSCON up there (partially my fault). IMHO, what we are should be on the main page, if not for 'real visitors', but for search engines themselves ... maybe a new section should be added for "Project Events", or something like that? Seperate from Upcoming Events ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
>> I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will also >> not likely "fall" upon us. >> >> We need to be advocating in the loudest reasonable voice (which is >> that part of the main page) everything that is going on. I am still >> irritated we didn't get our presence at OSCON up there (partially my >> fault). > > IMHO, what we are should be on the main page, if not for 'real > visitors', but for search engines themselves ... That is what: <title></title> and <META NAME="keywords"> <META NAME="description"> Is for. > maybe a new section > should be added for "Project Events", or something like that? Seperate > from Upcoming Events ... We have an events section on the right hand side. However websites traditionally use the space in question to "advertise" what is going on with whatever the project/product/service is about... That big front area should be continually updated with new and exciting things that are going on within the project. OSCON, OSBC, LISA, Upcoming Feature Freeze... Beta... Joshua D. Drake > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Robert,
In fact they do. At least I do this every day: I find a word I do not understand, highlight it, right klick and search in Google.
Hopefully www.postgresql.org is on high page rank for searches for PostgreSQL.
So there ARE a lot of people dropping to www.postgresql.org to find out what it is.
It is nearly agreed within the web usability communities, that a clear information
"what is this about" is the most important thing of the "homepage".
at least:
"PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL compliant, open source database"
My 3 cents,
Harald
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on different matter:
EuroPython 2006 is over. It was a GREAT conference. If you missed it, now you can prepare budget for visiting EuroPython 2007.
Yeah, cause a lot of people accidentally type in postgresql and end up on our
page wondering what we are. ;-D
In fact they do. At least I do this every day: I find a word I do not understand, highlight it, right klick and search in Google.
Hopefully www.postgresql.org is on high page rank for searches for PostgreSQL.
So there ARE a lot of people dropping to www.postgresql.org to find out what it is.
It is nearly agreed within the web usability communities, that a clear information
"what is this about" is the most important thing of the "homepage".
at least:
"PostgreSQL is a highly-scalable, SQL compliant, open source database"
My 3 cents,
Harald
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GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstraße 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
on different matter:
EuroPython 2006 is over. It was a GREAT conference. If you missed it, now you can prepare budget for visiting EuroPython 2007.
Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> IMHO, what we are should be on the main page, if not for 'real >> visitors', but for search engines themselves ... > > That is what: > > <title></title> > and > <META NAME="keywords"> > <META NAME="description"> > > Is for. AFAIK search-engines actually don't care anymore for meta keywords and meta description. The matching keywords have to be in the visible part of the HTML document - else they are ignored. Plus ranking in search-engines regarding a keyword like 'dbms' is more influenced if found in pages on other sites that are linking to postgresql.org. So, if anyone with a web-site or blog is setting a link to www.postgresql.org inside his text, ex. ...blahblah and my favorite is the most advanced <a href="http://www.postgresql.org">open-source DBMS PostgreSQL </a> ..blahblah may result, that this link to pg site is connected and higher weighted with the keywords 'open-source' and 'DBMS' and 'PostgreSQL' with-in the link, and given enough people using these keywords in their links to pg site will improve ranking much more than using the keywords only on pg start page or outside the link. However, search-engines' strategies are changing fast and it is hard for site operators' to keep search-engine optimization up-to-date. I even can't give guarantee that the information I provided here may not be already out-dated. Anastasios
Harald Armin Massa wrote: > Robert, > > Yeah, cause a lot of people accidentally type in postgresql and > end up on our > page wondering what we are. ;-D > > > In fact they do. At least I do this every day: I find a word I do not > understand, highlight it, right klick and search in Google. > Hopefully www.postgresql.org <http://www.postgresql.org> is on high > page rank for searches for PostgreSQL. > > So there ARE a lot of people dropping to www.postgresql.org > <http://www.postgresql.org> to find out what it is. > It is nearly agreed within the web usability communities, that a clear > information > "what is this about" is the most important thing of the "homepage". > In the case that someone - after seeing an interesting word like postgresql - can spend the time to start the browser, browse to search-engine, browsing several results (hopefully at first www.postgresql.org) and then coming to the entry page, I'm rather sure, that then he will be still interested enough and will also have the three seconds to do another click on the 'About' link which is placed on a very common and highly visible place on the left corner below the logo. :-) And in addition there is still the key sentence on PostgreSQL on the right side, very eye-catching, too: "The world's most advanced open-source database'. > - > on different matter: > EuroPython 2006 is over. It was a GREAT conference. If you missed it, > now you can prepare budget for visiting EuroPython 2007. Harald, do you know if there are transcripts or presentation slides of the presentations hold on the EuroPython 2006 I couldn't take part of? Anastasios -- Anastasios Hatzis Hochgratweg 4 87463 Dietmannsried Tel: +49-163-6919728
Anastasios Hatzis wrote: > And in addition there is still the key sentence on PostgreSQL on the > right side, very eye-catching, too: "The world's most advanced > open-source database'. Uhm, but probably this text should be linked with the 'About' page instead of the home page? Anastasios
Anastasios Hatzis wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> IMHO, what we are should be on the main page, if not for 'real
>>> visitors', but for search engines themselves ...
>>
>> That is what:
>>
>> <title></title>
>> and
>> <META NAME="keywords">
>> <META NAME="description">
>>
>> Is for.
>
> AFAIK search-engines actually don't care anymore for meta keywords and
> meta description. The matching keywords have to be in the visible part
> of the HTML document - else they are ignored. Plus ranking in
> search-engines regarding a keyword like 'dbms' is more influenced if
> found in pages on other sites that are linking to postgresql.org. So, if
> anyone with a web-site or blog is setting a link to www.postgresql.org
> inside his text, ex.
You may be correct on that. I do know that they give a whole lot of care
about the <title> though.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I wrote: >> The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere >> except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. >> ... Joshua D .Drake replied: > I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will > also not likely "fall" upon us. I stand by my assertion: the main page should absolutely say what Postgres is. Take a look at what other .org projects have as the first text on their pages: http://www.python.org/ "Python is a dynamic object-oriented programming language..." http://www.gimp.org/ "GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program." http://www.freebsd.org/ "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for..." http://www.linux.org/ "Linux is a free Unix-type operating system originally created..." http://www.perl.org/ "Perl is a stable, cross platform programming language..." http://www.php.org/ "PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language..." I see no evidence that they are all wrong, and you are right. :) > We need to be advocating in the loudest reasonable voice (which is that > part of the main page) everything that is going on. Amen to that. We could certainly be using our screen real estate more effectively as well: see www.python.org for a good example. There's more I could say about the page, but I want to keep this thread focused on getting some "who we are" text back on the main page, as soon as possible. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607291214 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEy4obvJuQZxSWSsgRAsxgAKCYyPAqEJiGDqlKTrlDjB8VOhVa2QCguCCJ wwjh8sJ6bqeGKFZqBld7r1k= =cEVy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I wrote: >>> The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere >>> except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. >>> ... > > Joshua D .Drake replied: >> I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will >> also not likely "fall" upon us. > > I stand by my assertion: the main page should absolutely say > what Postgres is. Take a look at what other .org projects have > as the first text on their pages: I am not disagreeing with that :) I am saying we shouldn't use the nice big box to do it. Not to mention our site does say it... right at the top on the right hand side. http://www.postgresql.org/ "The world's most advance open source database." So what is the problem? ;0 > http://www.perl.org/ > "Perl is a stable, cross platform programming language..." > > http://www.php.org/ > "PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language..." > Amen to that. We could certainly be using our screen real estate more > effectively as well: see www.python.org for a good example. There's > more I could say about the page, but I want to keep this thread focused > on getting some "who we are" text back on the main page, as soon as possible. See above ;) Joshua D. Drake > > - -- > Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com > PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607291214 > http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iD8DBQFEy4obvJuQZxSWSsgRAsxgAKCYyPAqEJiGDqlKTrlDjB8VOhVa2QCguCCJ > wwjh8sJ6bqeGKFZqBld7r1k= > =cEVy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> I wrote: >> >>>> The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere >>>> except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. >>>> ... >> >> >> Joshua D .Drake replied: >> >>> I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will >>> also not likely "fall" upon us. >> >> >> I stand by my assertion: the main page should absolutely say >> what Postgres is. Take a look at what other .org projects have >> as the first text on their pages: > > > I am not disagreeing with that :) I am saying we shouldn't use the nice > big box to do it. Not to mention our site does say it... right at the > top on the right hand side. > > http://www.postgresql.org/ > "The world's most advance open source database." > > So what is the problem? ;0 According to the "Web Style Guide", Second Edition the tag line should be closer to the logo. :-) That is; in a more prominent position so the first time visitor knows right off what the site is ( about ). For the left-to-right reader it is not visually _there_. This is not to say I don't like the site ( and I am not a professional designer ) but that it doesn't exactly fit this (WSG) guide/research. I had never noticed this until this thread came up. I was always looking for the section; docs, downloads, warm-fuzzy's; I needed not looking at the site. What could, IMHO, look really neat is a tag-line under the logo/header area but above the menu bar. I was really taken with humorous tag line that floated through a few months ago. "Huge database power for peanuts." or was it "Mammoth database power for peanuts." ( Josh? ) Rod -- > >> http://www.perl.org/ >> "Perl is a stable, cross platform programming language..." >> >> http://www.php.org/ >> "PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language..." >> Amen to that. We could certainly be using our screen real estate more >> effectively as well: see www.python.org for a good example. There's >> more I could say about the page, but I want to keep this thread focused >> on getting some "who we are" text back on the main page, as soon as >> possible. > > > See above ;) > > Joshua D. Drake > > >> >> - -- >> Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com >> PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607291214 >> http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> iD8DBQFEy4obvJuQZxSWSsgRAsxgAKCYyPAqEJiGDqlKTrlDjB8VOhVa2QCguCCJ >> wwjh8sJ6bqeGKFZqBld7r1k= >> =cEVy >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings >> > >
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > You may be correct on that. I do know that they give a whole lot of > care about the <title> though. > I think this is also correct. It's said that Google uses around 100 factors influencing page ranking, but I don't know whether it's true or just propaganda ;-)
Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >I wrote: > > >>>The main page (www.postgresql.org/) no longer states anywhere >>>except in the top banner graphic what exactly PostgreSQL *is*. >>>... >>> >>> > >Joshua D .Drake replied: > > >>I don't agree. Most people know what PostgreSQL is. People will >>also not likely "fall" upon us. >> >> > >I stand by my assertion: the main page should absolutely say >what Postgres is. Take a look at what other .org projects have >as the first text on their pages: > >http://www.python.org/ >"Python is a dynamic object-oriented programming language..." > >http://www.gimp.org/ >"GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program." > >http://www.freebsd.org/ >"FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for..." > >http://www.linux.org/ >"Linux is a free Unix-type operating system originally created..." > >http://www.perl.org/ >"Perl is a stable, cross platform programming language..." > >http://www.php.org/ >"PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language..." > >I see no evidence that they are all wrong, and you are right. :) > > > >>We need to be advocating in the loudest reasonable voice (which is that >>part of the main page) everything that is going on. >> >> > >Amen to that. We could certainly be using our screen real estate more >effectively as well: see www.python.org for a good example. There's >more I could say about the page, but I want to keep this thread focused >on getting some "who we are" text back on the main page, as soon as possible. > >- -- >Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com >PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200607291214 >http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >iD8DBQFEy4obvJuQZxSWSsgRAsxgAKCYyPAqEJiGDqlKTrlDjB8VOhVa2QCguCCJ >wwjh8sJ6bqeGKFZqBld7r1k= >=cEVy >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > > > I would be much more comfortable with the postgresql community if its front page were more informative and sales oriented to general newbies from all walks of life, without making unverifiable assumptions that "everyone knows". People are not going to be sold on postgresql because of an elephant button, or a long winded fact page that only programmers understand, or a reference CD nobody will use. I would like to see sales oriented stuff on the top turf:: vision statement, philosophy of the community (see Debian and Gentoo), motto, value proposition, goals and objectives, etc. devote the entire one third left column to testimonials from companies using pg, and finally, if you are going to change the name, keep it to two syllables that are conceptual in nature, not an insider's reference to the past. JMTCWAAN -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006
mdean wrote: > I would be much more comfortable with the postgresql community if its > front page were more informative and sales oriented to general newbies > from all walks of life, without making unverifiable assumptions that > "everyone knows". People are not going to be sold on postgresql because > of an elephant button, or a long winded fact page that only programmers > understand, or a reference CD nobody will use. I would like to see > sales oriented stuff on the top turf:: vision statement, philosophy of > the community (see Debian and Gentoo), motto, value proposition, goals > and objectives, etc. devote the entire one third left column to > testimonials from companies using pg, and finally, if you are going to > change the name, keep it to two syllables that are conceptual in nature, > not an insider's reference to the past. JMTCWAAN This opinion I concur with. We could even have a two-conceptual-syllabes nice name: Postgres. Not that I'm up for doing any of this though, but talk is cheap. (What's a conceptual syllabe anyway?) -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera wrote: >mdean wrote: > > > >>I would be much more comfortable with the postgresql community if its >>front page were more informative and sales oriented to general newbies >>from all walks of life, without making unverifiable assumptions that >>"everyone knows". People are not going to be sold on postgresql because >>of an elephant button, or a long winded fact page that only programmers >>understand, or a reference CD nobody will use. I would like to see >>sales oriented stuff on the top turf:: vision statement, philosophy of >>the community (see Debian and Gentoo), motto, value proposition, goals >>and objectives, etc. devote the entire one third left column to >>testimonials from companies using pg, and finally, if you are going to >>change the name, keep it to two syllables that are conceptual in nature, >>not an insider's reference to the past. JMTCWAAN >> >> > >This opinion I concur with. We could even have a >two-conceptual-syllabes nice name: Postgres. > >Not that I'm up for doing any of this though, but talk is cheap. > >(What's a conceptual syllabe anyway?) > > > a conceptual syllable is one which is immediately recognizable to the average guy on the street. For instance, post has concepts -- we see a post sticking out of the ground, a good concept, but not relevant to the product. Hoever, gres defies mental imagery, it is constructual, like the id, ego, and superego, not rooted in the everyday experiences of man, subject to horrendous definition and redefinition, and unmeasurable. SQL, in the everyday concepts of educated persons, is more of a concept than a construct, and when coupled with MY, produces a powerful image set. I believe that a huge portion of the play MYSQL is getting relies solely on its name - it is almost a self-fullfilling prophecy - it allows one to take ownership. This is in contrast to Postgresql, which leaves one indifferent, or cold, and certainly without a solid intrinisic understanding of what it is. Imagery plays an important role in trademarking and logo production. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006
On Tuesday 1. August 2006 00:23, mdean wrote: >a conceptual syllable is one which is immediately recognizable to the >average guy on the street. For instance, post has concepts -- we see > a post sticking out of the ground, a good concept, but not relevant > to the product. Hoever, gres defies mental imagery, it is > constructual, like the id, ego, and superego, not rooted in the > everyday experiences of man, subject to horrendous definition and > redefinition, and >unmeasurable. SQL, in the everyday concepts of educated persons, is >more of a concept than a construct, and when coupled with MY, produces > a powerful image set. I believe that a huge portion of the play MYSQL > is getting relies solely on its name - it is almost a > self-fullfilling prophecy - it allows one to take ownership. This is > in contrast to Postgresql, which leaves one indifferent, or cold, and > certainly without a solid intrinisic understanding of what it is. > Imagery plays an important role in trademarking and logo production. I do agree with you. PostgreSQL is an ugly and unwieldy name, while MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe something out of the blue like YourSQL? May I propose FreeSQL? -- Leif Biberg Kristensen | Registered Linux User #338009 http://solumslekt.org/ | Cruising with Gentoo/KDE
On Monday 31 July 2006 19:18, Leif B. Kristensen wrote: >... PostgreSQL is an ugly and unwieldy name, while > MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your > arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe something > out of the blue like YourSQL? > > May I propose FreeSQL? In that case, why not BSD SQL? (not really, I'm only kidding)
All, > > MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your > > arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe something > > out of the blue like YourSQL? > > > > May I propose FreeSQL? > > In that case, why not BSD SQL? (not really, I'm only kidding) "EnterpriseDB" has a nice ring to it. ;-) -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote:
> All,
>
>>> MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your
>>> arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe something
>>> out of the blue like YourSQL?
>>>
>>> May I propose FreeSQL?
>> In that case, why not BSD SQL? (not really, I'm only kidding)
>
> "EnterpriseDB" has a nice ring to it. ;-)
Well enterprisedb.org is taken by a commercial organization. How about
WeAreNotChangingTheFreakingNameOfPostgreSQL.Org ?
Joshua D. Drake
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Leif B. Kristensen wrote: >On Tuesday 1. August 2006 00:23, mdean wrote: > > >>a conceptual syllable is one which is immediately recognizable to the >>average guy on the street. For instance, post has concepts -- we see >>a post sticking out of the ground, a good concept, but not relevant >>to the product. Hoever, gres defies mental imagery, it is >>constructual, like the id, ego, and superego, not rooted in the >>everyday experiences of man, subject to horrendous definition and >>redefinition, and >>unmeasurable. SQL, in the everyday concepts of educated persons, is >>more of a concept than a construct, and when coupled with MY, produces >>a powerful image set. I believe that a huge portion of the play MYSQL >>is getting relies solely on its name - it is almost a >>self-fullfilling prophecy - it allows one to take ownership. This is >>in contrast to Postgresql, which leaves one indifferent, or cold, and >>certainly without a solid intrinisic understanding of what it is. >>Imagery plays an important role in trademarking and logo production. >> >> > >I do agree with you. PostgreSQL is an ugly and unwieldy name, while >MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your >arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe something >out of the blue like YourSQL? > >May I propose FreeSQL? > > well, after lots of real thought over months, I intend to rename it Synthesis 2007. a tradmark I own, and take it commercial ala Bizgress. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 05:07:41PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > >All, > > > >>>MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your > >>>arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe > >>>something out of the blue like YourSQL? > >>> > >>>May I propose FreeSQL? > >>In that case, why not BSD SQL? (not really, I'm only kidding) > > > >"EnterpriseDB" has a nice ring to it. ;-) > > Well enterprisedb.org is taken by a commercial organization. How > about WeAreNotChangingTheFreakingNameOfPostgreSQL.Org ? "Change the sacred name of [PostgreSQL]?!? No!" Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote!
David Fetter wrote: >On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 05:07:41PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >>Josh Berkus wrote: >> >> >>>All, >>> >>> >>> >>>>>MySQL sounds like a name conceived up above. So, based on your >>>>>arguments, what would you propose? PostSQL? PoSQL? Or maybe >>>>>something out of the blue like YourSQL? >>>>> >>>>>May I propose FreeSQL? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>In that case, why not BSD SQL? (not really, I'm only kidding) >>>> >>>> >>>"EnterpriseDB" has a nice ring to it. ;-) >>> >>> >>Well enterprisedb.org is taken by a commercial organization. How >>about WeAreNotChangingTheFreakingNameOfPostgreSQL.Org ? >> >> > >"Change the sacred name of [PostgreSQL]?!? No!" > >Cheers, >D > > how about popsql? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006
mdean wrote: > the product. Hoever, gres defies mental imagery, it is constructual, > like the id, ego, and superego, not rooted in the everyday experiences > of man, subject to horrendous definition and redefinition, and > unmeasurable. SQL, in Oops, 'gres' in PostgreSQL has a meaning? I can't find 'gres' in my dictionary. I ever thought it's just an abbreviation or insider thing. :-) However, I already emphasized that the name in the current form is a serious problem in Germany. Based on my personal experience in the past years I guess that 80% of the IT editors and DB experts are only guessing how PostgreSQL is pronounced, most of them are short it to 'Postgres' to prevent disgracing themselves. And I would also bet that 95% are clueless what it could mean. I don't know, whether these are problems for native English speakers or not. But I can assure you that both problems are by far not so present at other DBMS product names, ex. DB2, Oracle, MS-SQL, MySQL, where pronouncation and meaning (mental imagery) are obvious for the majority of German IT people. However, I very much like this product and the community behind it. And I'm very glad that usage and design of PostgreSQL is not as incomprehensible and unclear as its name make people think that don't have personal expierence with this database. :-) Anastasios
> > the product. Hoever, gres defies mental imagery, it is constructual, > > like the id, ego, and superego, not rooted in the everyday experiences > > of man, subject to horrendous definition and redefinition, and > > unmeasurable. SQL, in > Oops, 'gres' in PostgreSQL has a meaning? I can't find 'gres' in my > dictionary. I ever thought it's just an abbreviation or insider thing. :-) Well, Ingres stands for INteractive Graphics REtrieval System according to Wikipedia. PostgreSQL inherited the letters from there... Bye, Chris.
On Tuesday 1. August 2006 10:47, Chris Mair wrote: >Well, Ingres stands for INteractive Graphics REtrieval System > according to Wikipedia. PostgreSQL inherited the letters from > there... So, basically PostgreSQL is about graphics retrieval. The interactivity is a thing of the past, it was traded for an SQL interface. Sure, that explains everything ;-) -- Leif Biberg Kristensen | Registered Linux User #338009 http://solumslekt.org/ | Cruising with Gentoo/KDE