Thread: SpreadFirefox
Hello, Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of PostgreSQL Replication, and plPHP. Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would > be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this. Something you'd like to head up / co-ordinate? I'm guessing that you aren't looking at this as a replacement for www.postgresql.org, but as an advocacy-style site? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:52 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would > > be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this. > > Something you'd like to head up / co-ordinate? I'm guessing that you > aren't looking at this as a replacement for www.postgresql.org, but as an > advocacy-style site? > Oddly enough, I was considering something like this a few weeks ago. A well-designed page with case studies and info on how to promote postgresql would be a cool site. Something flashy that corresponded to the release of 8.0. I'm sure that my graphic designer would be interested in helping out if possible and I can help with it as well. -Robby -- /*************************************** * Robby Russell | Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON | www.planetargon.com * Portland, OR | robby@planetargon.com * 503.351.4730 | blog.planetargon.com * PHP/PostgreSQL Hosting & Development ****************************************/
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Guys, > Oddly enough, I was considering something like this a few weeks ago. A > well-designed page with case studies and info on how to promote > postgresql would be a cool site. Something flashy that corresponded to > the release of 8.0. Like maybe www.postgresql.org? It's a wild thought, but perhaps we should concentrate on getting the main site upgraded before developing more splinter sites .... -- --Josh Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
> Joshua D. Drake > Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would > be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this. > Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh? How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox? They have to have a few Favourites installed on the default install don't they? How about we support them in return for that link? We could issue a general call in support of the initiative via ANNOUNCE.... Or maybe they need or would like some other help from us? Best Regards, Simon Riggs
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:34, Simon Riggs wrote: > Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh? > > How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox? What does PostgreSQL have to do with Firefox? They are OSS projects that cater to _completely_ different groups of users, share no code, and share no common history. -Neil
Martha Stewart called it a Good Thing when neilc@samurai.com (Neil Conway) wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:34, Simon Riggs wrote:
>> Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh?
>>
>> How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox?
> What does PostgreSQL have to do with Firefox? They are OSS projects
> that cater to _completely_ different groups of users, share no code,
> and share no common history.
If Firefox decided to drop the XML configuration storage approach in
favor of using a (perhaps quasi-embedded, in the way it _could_ be
done) PostgreSQL instance, that would be a good excuse.
And this would be a most interesting application of PostgreSQL; there
are plenty of cases of data storage:
- Configuration data
- History
- Cache
- Bookmarks
- Icons and such
What would be equally or more interesting would be to build a "back
end" for either the GNOME or KDE config schemes that would use
PostgreSQL in lieu of the hordes of little XML files.
But as you say, there's not really anything in common now...
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> Something you'd like to head up / co-ordinate? I'm guessing that you > aren't looking at this as a replacement for www.postgresql.org, but as > an advocacy-style site? I was thinking it would be good as something to have as a supplement to the PostgreSQL Foundation. To raise funds to advertise in major trade mags... I think we are probably a little while off from being able to do it, but yes I would be happy to particpate. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: > 7615664 -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com PostgreSQL Replicator -- production quality replication for PostgreSQL
Josh Berkus wrote:
me if I am wrong).
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
I thnk Robby was thinking more along the lines of techdocs but with a more polished feel (Robby correctGuys,Oddly enough, I was considering something like this a few weeks ago. A well-designed page with case studies and info on how to promote postgresql would be a cool site. Something flashy that corresponded to the release of 8.0.Like maybe www.postgresql.org? It's a wild thought, but perhaps we should concentrate on getting the main site upgraded before developing more splinter sites ....
me if I am wrong).
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Which Josh?Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this.Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh?
Actually that is not a bad idea. Command Prompt would be willing to donate a donation (that sounds wrong ;))How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox?
under the communitys name if they wished.
I bet they could use help with the XUL postgresql bindings.They have to have a few Favourites installed on the default install don't they? How about we support them in return for that link? We could issue a general call in support of the initiative via ANNOUNCE.... Or maybe they need or would like some other help from us?
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
Best Regards, Simon Riggs
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Neil Conway wrote:
they have the same for MySQL.
That is enough to me right there :)
J
They have XUL bindings that allow cross platform development in XUL/Firefox/Mozilla. I don't believeOn Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:34, Simon Riggs wrote:Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh? How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox?What does PostgreSQL have to do with Firefox? They are OSS projects that cater to _completely_ different groups of users, share no code, and share no common history.
they have the same for MySQL.
That is enough to me right there :)
J
-Neil
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>If Firefox decided to drop the XML configuration storage approach in >favor of using a (perhaps quasi-embedded, in the way it _could_ be >done) PostgreSQL instance, that would be a good excuse. > > IMHO that is a bad use for PostgreSQL and a better use for SQLite. PostgreSQL is a farily heavy process to be a book mark manager. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake >And this would be a most interesting application of PostgreSQL; there >are plenty of cases of data storage: > - Configuration data > - History > - Cache > - Bookmarks > - Icons and such > >What would be equally or more interesting would be to build a "back >end" for either the GNOME or KDE config schemes that would use >PostgreSQL in lieu of the hordes of little XML files. > >But as you say, there's not really anything in common now... > > -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com PostgreSQL Replicator -- production quality replication for PostgreSQL
Hi, Robby Russell wrote: >>>Have you guys seen http://www.spreadfirefox.com? I think it would >>>be very cool for PostgreSQL to do something like this. >> >>Something you'd like to head up / co-ordinate? I'm guessing that you >>aren't looking at this as a replacement for www.postgresql.org, but as an >>advocacy-style site? > > Oddly enough, I was considering something like this a few weeks ago. A > well-designed page with case studies and info on how to promote > postgresql would be a cool site. Something flashy that corresponded to > the release of 8.0. You mean like advocacy.postgresql.org? Where its creators lost all interest in their creation after several months and the latest news [1] are dated 17th Nov 2003? [1] http://advocacy.postgresql.org/news/
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> If Firefox decided to drop the XML configuration storage approach in >> favor of using a (perhaps quasi-embedded, in the way it _could_ be >> done) PostgreSQL instance, that would be a good excuse. >> >> > IMHO that is a bad use for PostgreSQL and a better use for SQLite. > PostgreSQL is a farily > heavy process to be a book mark manager. > I have actually thought that a gconf backend using a transactional store might be nice. Especially for network administration of desktops... PostgreSQL might be nice for this. How it would compare to LDAP, I don't know though.... Best Wishes, Chris Travers Metatron Technology Consulting
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In the last exciting episode, jd@commandprompt.com ("Joshua D. Drake") wrote:
>>If Firefox decided to drop the XML configuration storage approach in
>>favor of using a (perhaps quasi-embedded, in the way it _could_ be
>>done) PostgreSQL instance, that would be a good excuse.
> IMHO that is a bad use for PostgreSQL and a better use for
> SQLite. PostgreSQL is a farily heavy process to be a book mark
> manager.
XUL + XML strikes me as being a pretty "heavyweight process" for use
in managing bookmarks, so I don't see this being a big issue.
We don't know what would happen, in the end, after tuning took place.
The point would be that if it turned out OK, this would be an argument
in favor of having the DB instance be "central," and throw more
applications onto it so that more costs would get shared. _That_
wouldn't be a benefit likely with SQLite...
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Alexey Borzov wrote: > You mean like advocacy.postgresql.org? Where its creators lost all > interest in their creation after several months and the latest news [1] > are dated 17th Nov 2003? > Advocating PostgreSQL to decision makers can be somewhat hard. I know, since I've been in that situation quite recently. The www.postgresql.org site is not at all what you'd expect a "front page" to be. You find some news and events on the first page but no real presentation of PostgreSQL as such. The advocacy.postgresql.org is much better in that respect. So why not make the best of two worlds? Put the content (revised) from the advocacy site on first page of the www site. Use the current "News" of the www site instead of the sadly outdated news on the advocacy site, etc. Direct all marketing efforts to the new www site. Seems to me that using two sites (www and advocacy) just creates more work and benefits no one. In fact, it may actually be bad for PostgreSQL since the sites currently do a less then perfect job of promoting it. An effort to concentre and structure the somewhat widespread information that's out there is propably something that will pay off greatly in the future. Regards, Thomas Hallgren
> Neil Conway > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:34, Simon Riggs wrote: > > Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh? > > > > How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox? > > What does PostgreSQL have to do with Firefox? They are OSS projects that > cater to _completely_ different groups of users, share no code, and > share no common history. > The idea is somewhat off-the-wall, I grant you... They are OSS projects as you say, so I say YES they do have common history. _completely_ different groups of users: YES, so we're saying 100% of them would be new to PostgreSQL - isn't that what we want? Share no code: YES - so no conflicts then, no barriers to working together. Alliance, friendship: we support them, they support us. Synergy..... just like OSDL. This is something that costs a little time, few dollars. I'm all ears for more effective plans.... the trouble is marketing is mostly grind, few ideas are hugely exciting. Best Regards, Simon Riggs
On Friday 22 October 2004 04:22, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
> Alexey Borzov wrote:
> > You mean like advocacy.postgresql.org? Where its creators lost all
> > interest in their creation after several months and the latest news [1]
> > are dated 17th Nov 2003?
>
> Advocating PostgreSQL to decision makers can be somewhat hard. I know,
> since I've been in that situation quite recently. The www.postgresql.org
> site is not at all what you'd expect a "front page" to be. You find some
> news and events on the first page but no real presentation of PostgreSQL
> as such. The advocacy.postgresql.org is much better in that respect. So
> why not make the best of two worlds?
>
> Put the content (revised) from the advocacy site on first page of the
> www site. Use the current "News" of the www site instead of the sadly
> outdated news on the advocacy site, etc. Direct all marketing efforts to
> the new www site.
>
That is sort of the plan. I'm in the process of moving the advocacy content
into the new www pages, under a section entitled "overview". Once it is
done, we can redirect advocacy.postgresql.org to this new subsection on www.
> Seems to me that using two sites (www and advocacy) just creates more
> work and benefits no one. In fact, it may actually be bad for PostgreSQL
> since the sites currently do a less then perfect job of promoting it.
>
Probably is, since the advocacy code is just too cumbersome to be maintained,
it just grows more out of date over time.
> An effort to concentre and structure the somewhat widespread information
> that's out there is propably something that will pay off greatly in the
> future.
>
Yep.
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On Wednesday 20 Oct 2004 9:08 am, Christopher Browne wrote: > Martha Stewart called it a Good Thing when neilc@samurai.com (Neil Conway) wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:34, Simon Riggs wrote: > >> Perhaps we could join in directly? Kind of an alliance thing....Josh? > >> > >> How about a "PostgreSQL Development Community" supports Firefox? > > > > What does PostgreSQL have to do with Firefox? They are OSS projects > > that cater to _completely_ different groups of users, share no code, > > and share no common history. > > If Firefox decided to drop the XML configuration storage approach in > favor of using a (perhaps quasi-embedded, in the way it _could_ be > done) PostgreSQL instance, that would be a good excuse. > > And this would be a most interesting application of PostgreSQL; there > are plenty of cases of data storage: > - Configuration data > - History > - Cache > - Bookmarks > - Icons and such > > What would be equally or more interesting would be to build a "back > end" for either the GNOME or KDE config schemes that would use > PostgreSQL in lieu of the hordes of little XML files. > > But as you say, there's not really anything in common now... Well, I have seen at least one review of mozilla which cribbed about not easy to administer in enterprise environments where everything is controlled by a domain controller. Storing a database could be a start for the mozilla. But which database and why remains open to discussion..:-) Shridhar