Thread: A dubious claim to fame ...
Folks, Looks like SCO is now bundling us with OpenWare: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK5.story&STORY=/www/ story/02-18-2004/0002112123&EDATE=WED+Feb+18+2004,+01:46+PM Guess all that debugging with 7.4 was good for something. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > Looks like SCO is now bundling us with OpenWare: > http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK5.story&STORY=/www/ > story/02-18-2004/0002112123&EDATE=WED+Feb+18+2004,+01:46+PM > > Guess all that debugging with 7.4 was good for something. For SCO, that's spelled OpenWarez. :-) -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
--On Wednesday, February 18, 2004 21:14:33 -0500 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> Folks, >> >> Looks like SCO is now bundling us with OpenWare: >> http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK5.story&STORY= >> /www/ story/02-18-2004/0002112123&EDATE=WED+Feb+18+2004,+01:46+PM >> >> Guess all that debugging with 7.4 was good for something. > > For SCO, that's spelled OpenWarez. :-) hehe. I did tell you that this was coming. UP4 for UnixWare has PG 7.3.4 (Yeah, yeah, I know, timing). They've been asking me pointed questions. I consider it a good thing. (Don't start on the Legal crap, ok? I don't agree with their legal stuff, but that's not the engineers fault, and that's who I've been working with). LER > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania > 19073 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
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Larry, > (Don't start on the Legal crap, ok? I don't agree with their legal > stuff, but that's not the engineers fault, and that's who I've > been working with). Hey, nobody suggested cutting the port, did they? That's not the way we do things. I just find it amusing that SCO is gratefully accepting our code with one hand while the other threatens to sue half the people on our lists. Such sweet irony .... It's not the poor OpenWare users' ... or engineers' ... fault that the Canopy Group is riding SCO/Caldera like some demon monkey from the abyss. Shoulda killed the lawyers when they had the chance. Hopefully OpenWare will survive SCO. And we can certainly use the publicity. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 00:02, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Larry,
>
> > (Don't start on the Legal crap, ok? I don't agree with their legal
> > stuff, but that's not the engineers fault, and that's who I've
> > been working with).
>
> Hey, nobody suggested cutting the port, did they? That's not the way we do
> things.
>
> I just find it amusing that SCO is gratefully accepting our code with one hand
> while the other threatens to sue half the people on our lists. Such sweet
> irony ....
>
> It's not the poor OpenWare users' ... or engineers' ... fault that the Canopy
> Group is riding SCO/Caldera like some demon monkey from the abyss. Shoulda
> killed the lawyers when they had the chance. Hopefully OpenWare will survive
> SCO.
>
> And we can certainly use the publicity.
>
Not only that, but this is possibly the strongest endorsement we have
been given by any OS vendor to the mainstream tech press. While we run
on all of the major unix OS's, I've don't recall seeing phrases like "..
key features of the service pack are ... that it includes the
object-relational database management system PostgreSQL." used by
anyone else. Even our beloved Red Hat, who does so much for the
project, didn't even bother to include us in their "Advanced Server"
product line when it was released. While we might get annoyed by all of
Larry's posts on -hackers about SCO issues ;-), at least we get some
kind of return on that as a community.
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > --On Wednesday, February 18, 2004 21:14:33 -0500 Bruce Momjian > <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > > > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Folks, > >> > >> Looks like SCO is now bundling us with OpenWare: > >> http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK5.story&STORY= > >> /www/ story/02-18-2004/0002112123&EDATE=WED+Feb+18+2004,+01:46+PM > >> > >> Guess all that debugging with 7.4 was good for something. > > > > For SCO, that's spelled OpenWarez. :-) > hehe. > > I did tell you that this was coming. UP4 for UnixWare has PG 7.3.4 (Yeah, > yeah, I know, timing). > > They've been asking me pointed questions. > > I consider it a good thing. > > (Don't start on the Legal crap, ok? I don't agree with their legal > stuff, but that's not the engineers fault, and that's who I've > been working with). What's sad is that by the time the prospectors (Darl and company) get done with their pump and dump strategy, and IBM launches their counter-suit, the guys who made all the money will be long gone, while the company goes under from debts encurred in court, and the decent, hardworking guys who write code will be out of a job. Sad.
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 11:35, scott.marlowe wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > > > > > --On Wednesday, February 18, 2004 21:14:33 -0500 Bruce Momjian > > <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > > > > > Josh Berkus wrote: > > >> Folks, > > >> > > >> Looks like SCO is now bundling us with OpenWare: > > >> http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK5.story&STORY= > > >> /www/ story/02-18-2004/0002112123&EDATE=WED+Feb+18+2004,+01:46+PM > > >> > > >> Guess all that debugging with 7.4 was good for something. > > > > > > For SCO, that's spelled OpenWarez. :-) > > hehe. > > > > I did tell you that this was coming. UP4 for UnixWare has PG 7.3.4 (Yeah, > > yeah, I know, timing). > > > > They've been asking me pointed questions. > > > > I consider it a good thing. > > > > (Don't start on the Legal crap, ok? I don't agree with their legal > > stuff, but that's not the engineers fault, and that's who I've > > been working with). > > What's sad is that by the time the prospectors (Darl and company) get done > with their pump and dump strategy, and IBM launches their counter-suit, > the guys who made all the money will be long gone, while the company goes > under from debts encurred in court, and the decent, hardworking guys who > write code will be out of a job. > > Sad. > I'd like to nip any future discussion of SCO's legal business in the bud (since I don't see it's relevance to postgresql advocacy), so if you want to continue on with this please let's do it in private mail. That said Scott, SCO could simply gpl/bsd it's source code, folkd the company, and then let the workers of the company support individual support companies around the different sco product lines. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
> That said Scott, SCO could simply gpl/bsd it's source code, folkd the > company, and then let the workers of the company support individual > support companies around the different sco product lines. No they couldn't. They don't own all of it, not to mention multiple patents that would be a problem. > > Robert Treat -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
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On Thursday 19 February 2004 11:40 am, Robert Treat wrote: > object-relational database management system PostgreSQL." used by > anyone else. Even our beloved Red Hat, who does so much for the > project, didn't even bother to include us in their "Advanced Server" > product line when it was released. When you say "include us" you do mean as part of the press release, right? Red Hat has included PostgreSQL to program in all their OS releases since Red Hat 5.0. RHEL AS 3 includes the PostgreSQL code (the Red Hat enhanced version). -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:51, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Thursday 19 February 2004 11:40 am, Robert Treat wrote: > > object-relational database management system PostgreSQL." used by > > anyone else. Even our beloved Red Hat, who does so much for the > > project, didn't even bother to include us in their "Advanced Server" > > product line when it was released. > > When you say "include us" you do mean as part of the press release, right? Red > Hat has included PostgreSQL to program in all their OS releases since Red Hat > 5.0. RHEL AS 3 includes the PostgreSQL code (the Red Hat enhanced version). Well certainly as part of their press release but even in other areas their support has been shoddy at best. RHEL didn't include any rpms for postgresql on the server side when it was first released (scan of archives turns up some supporting evidence http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2003-11/msg00664.php) and only later was it added to RHN. Even now if you look on their "available application list" you'll see a couple of databases included, like DB2 and MySQL, but I don't see PostgreSQL on that list. http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/applist_chart.html BTW - Don't get me wrong, I use Red Hat for some of my production servers and am currently running it at home, but they have been less vocal in their support of postgresql than I would like to see. I certainly don't begrudge them because I would rather they contribute developers than press releases anyway, but I also think you have to give SCO points for what they have done as well. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert Treat wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:51, Lamar Owen wrote: > > On Thursday 19 February 2004 11:40 am, Robert Treat wrote: > > > object-relational database management system PostgreSQL." used by > > > anyone else. Even our beloved Red Hat, who does so much for the > > > project, didn't even bother to include us in their "Advanced Server" > > > product line when it was released. > > > > When you say "include us" you do mean as part of the press release, right? Red > > Hat has included PostgreSQL to program in all their OS releases since Red Hat > > 5.0. RHEL AS 3 includes the PostgreSQL code (the Red Hat enhanced version). > > Well certainly as part of their press release but even in other areas > their support has been shoddy at best. RHEL didn't include any rpms for > postgresql on the server side when it was first released (scan of > archives turns up some supporting evidence > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2003-11/msg00664.php) and > only later was it added to RHN. Even now if you look on their "available > application list" you'll see a couple of databases included, like DB2 > and MySQL, but I don't see PostgreSQL on that list. > http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/applist_chart.html I agree RH has had a certain _stealth_ support for PostgreSQL, but I don't think this list supports that. The list looks like commercial software they support, and we aren't that. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 22:43, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: > Even now if you look on their "available > > application list" you'll see a couple of databases included, like DB2 > > and MySQL, but I don't see PostgreSQL on that list. > > http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/applist_chart.html > > I agree RH has had a certain _stealth_ support for PostgreSQL, but I > don't think this list supports that. The list looks like commercial > software they support, and we aren't that. > You don't think it's conspicuous that PostgreSQL:Red Hat Edition doesn't make the list? Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Thursday 19 February 2004 04:06 pm, Robert Treat wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:51, Lamar Owen wrote: > > When you say "include us" you do mean as part of the press release, > > right? Red Hat has included PostgreSQL to program in all their OS > > releases since Red Hat 5.0. RHEL AS 3 includes the PostgreSQL code (the > > Red Hat enhanced version). > Well certainly as part of their press release but even in other areas > their support has been shoddy at best. RHEL didn't include any rpms for > postgresql on the server side when it was first released WS and ES did not inlude the server side; AS did. And they are available for download. > only later was it added to RHN. Even now if you look on their "available > application list" you'll see a couple of databases included, like DB2 > and MySQL, but I don't see PostgreSQL on that list. > http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/applist_chart.html This list appears to be third-party apps, which PostgreSQL isn't. For Red Hat, PostgreSQL is a first-party app. > BTW - Don't get me wrong, I use Red Hat for some of my production > servers and am currently running it at home, but they have been less > vocal in their support of postgresql than I would like to see. I > certainly don't begrudge them because I would rather they contribute > developers than press releases anyway, but I also think you have to give > SCO points for what they have done as well. For a long time, Red Hat's installation program (anaconda) listed a whole section 'SQL server'. This was, of course, PostgreSQL, and not MySQL. My speculation is that they don't want Oracle to get mad at them. But see http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/waf/rhea-ig-waf-en-6.0/ch-pre-install.html -- Lamar Owen Director of Information Technology Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 (828)862-5554 www.pari.edu