Thread: UserLinux with MySQL
http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html Check this out. They chose GNOME instead of KDE because Qt requires a proprietary license for commercial apps while GTK+ is fully GNU. As they put it the licensing "is the sole reason for this decision". But when it comes to databases they've chosen "MySQL with non-GPL libraries". How's this different from Qt vs GTK+? However he does say he is "not a database pro, and will listen to argument about the merits of other database servers". So perhaps PostgreSQL advocacy team has something to say here. Kaarel
On Saturday 20 December 2003 18:13, Kaarel wrote: > http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html > > Check this out. They chose GNOME instead of KDE because Qt requires a > proprietary license for commercial apps while GTK+ is fully GNU. As they > put it the licensing "is the sole reason for this decision". > > But when it comes to databases they've chosen "MySQL with non-GPL > libraries". How's this different from Qt vs GTK+? > > However he does say he is "not a database pro, and will listen to > argument about the merits of other database servers". So perhaps > PostgreSQL advocacy team has something to say here. Does that mean postgresql is not included? I could not find any such thing on userlinux.com. Most distributions ship both of them. Slackware is one exception I know that does not ship postgresql by default. But then most slack users know how to get it on their system, I believe. I think it is rather stretched to drag postgresql v/s mysql in GNOME v/s KDE. Most probably userlinux will ship with psotgresql and mysql. Let's wait and see.. Shridhar P.S. After all said and done, it is just another linux distribution. How far it goes remains to be seen. Personally I think this war of getting included into it(for GNOME/KDE) is rather overhyped, despite of high value names associated with it. Let it prove itself and users will funnel it down the way they want.
Hi! Yesterday i read in this german article ( http://www.golem.de/showhigh.php?file=/0312/28977.html&wort[]=userlinux ) that they had already decided for postgresql. Idon´t know where they´ve got this information, but Golem is in my eyes a reliable Source. Christoph Nelles Am Samstag, 20. Dezember 2003 um 14:03 schrieben Sie: SD> On Saturday 20 December 2003 18:13, Kaarel wrote: >> http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html >> >> Check this out. They chose GNOME instead of KDE because Qt requires a >> proprietary license for commercial apps while GTK+ is fully GNU. As they >> put it the licensing "is the sole reason for this decision". >> >> But when it comes to databases they've chosen "MySQL with non-GPL >> libraries". How's this different from Qt vs GTK+? >> >> However he does say he is "not a database pro, and will listen to >> argument about the merits of other database servers". So perhaps >> PostgreSQL advocacy team has something to say here. SD> Does that mean postgresql is not included? I could not find any such thing on SD> userlinux.com. SD> Most distributions ship both of them. Slackware is one exception I know that SD> does not ship postgresql by default. But then most slack users know how to SD> get it on their system, I believe. SD> I think it is rather stretched to drag postgresql v/s mysql in GNOME v/s KDE. SD> Most probably userlinux will ship with psotgresql and mysql. SD> Let's wait and see.. SD> Shridhar SD> P.S. After all said and done, it is just another linux distribution. How far SD> it goes remains to be seen. Personally I think this war of getting included SD> into it(for GNOME/KDE) is rather overhyped, despite of high value names SD> associated with it. Let it prove itself and users will funnel it down the way SD> they want. SD> ---------------------------(end of SD> broadcast)--------------------------- SD> TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command SD> (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Evil Azrael mailto:evilazrael@evilazrael.de
Yes thats right. I can confirm this to 100% look at this page http://www.comptonranch.com/userlinux.html this is the unofficial working document regards EWald Evil Azrael wrote: >Hi! > >Yesterday i read in this german article ( >http://www.golem.de/showhigh.php?file=/0312/28977.html&wort[]=userlinux ) that they had already decided for postgresql.I don´t know where they´ve got this information, but Golem is in my eyes a reliable Source. > > > >Christoph Nelles > > >Am Samstag, 20. Dezember 2003 um 14:03 schrieben Sie: > >SD> On Saturday 20 December 2003 18:13, Kaarel wrote: > > >>>http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html >>> >>>Check this out. They chose GNOME instead of KDE because Qt requires a >>>proprietary license for commercial apps while GTK+ is fully GNU. As they >>>put it the licensing "is the sole reason for this decision". >>> >>>But when it comes to databases they've chosen "MySQL with non-GPL >>>libraries". How's this different from Qt vs GTK+? >>> >>>However he does say he is "not a database pro, and will listen to >>>argument about the merits of other database servers". So perhaps >>>PostgreSQL advocacy team has something to say here. >>> >>> > >SD> Does that mean postgresql is not included? I could not find any such thing on >SD> userlinux.com. > >SD> Most distributions ship both of them. Slackware is one exception I know that >SD> does not ship postgresql by default. But then most slack users know how to >SD> get it on their system, I believe. > >SD> I think it is rather stretched to drag postgresql v/s mysql in GNOME v/s KDE. >SD> Most probably userlinux will ship with psotgresql and mysql. > >SD> Let's wait and see.. > >SD> Shridhar > >SD> P.S. After all said and done, it is just another linux distribution. How far >SD> it goes remains to be seen. Personally I think this war of getting included >SD> into it(for GNOME/KDE) is rather overhyped, despite of high value names >SD> associated with it. Let it prove itself and users will funnel it down the way >SD> they want. > > >SD> ---------------------------(end of >SD> broadcast)--------------------------- >SD> TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command >SD> (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) > > > > >
Here is an article from Bruce Perens that lays out the decision to go with Gnome, and in passing explains the rational for going with PostgreSQL. It's dated December 15th.... http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/12/16/0029234.shtml?tid=130&tid=150&tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 Robert Treat On Saturday 20 December 2003 08:50, Ewald Geschwinde wrote: > Yes thats right. > I can confirm this to 100% > > look at this page > http://www.comptonranch.com/userlinux.html > this is the unofficial working document > > regards EWald > > Evil Azrael wrote: > >Hi! > > > >Yesterday i read in this german article ( > >http://www.golem.de/showhigh.php?file=/0312/28977.html&wort[]=userlinux ) > > that they had already decided for postgresql. I don´t know where they´ve > > got this information, but Golem is in my eyes a reliable Source. > > > > > > > >Christoph Nelles > > > > > >Am Samstag, 20. Dezember 2003 um 14:03 schrieben Sie: > > > >SD> On Saturday 20 December 2003 18:13, Kaarel wrote: > >>>http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html > >>> > >>>Check this out. They chose GNOME instead of KDE because Qt requires a > >>>proprietary license for commercial apps while GTK+ is fully GNU. As they > >>>put it the licensing "is the sole reason for this decision". > >>> > >>>But when it comes to databases they've chosen "MySQL with non-GPL > >>>libraries". How's this different from Qt vs GTK+? > >>> > >>>However he does say he is "not a database pro, and will listen to > >>>argument about the merits of other database servers". So perhaps > >>>PostgreSQL advocacy team has something to say here. > > > >SD> Does that mean postgresql is not included? I could not find any such > > thing on SD> userlinux.com. > > > >SD> Most distributions ship both of them. Slackware is one exception I > > know that SD> does not ship postgresql by default. But then most slack > > users know how to SD> get it on their system, I believe. > > > >SD> I think it is rather stretched to drag postgresql v/s mysql in GNOME > > v/s KDE. SD> Most probably userlinux will ship with psotgresql and mysql. > > > >SD> Let's wait and see.. > > > >SD> Shridhar > > > >SD> P.S. After all said and done, it is just another linux distribution. > > How far SD> it goes remains to be seen. Personally I think this war of > > getting included SD> into it(for GNOME/KDE) is rather overhyped, despite > > of high value names SD> associated with it. Let it prove itself and users > > will funnel it down the way SD> they want. > > > > > >SD> ---------------------------(end of > >SD> broadcast)--------------------------- > >SD> TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > >SD> (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to > > majordomo@postgresql.org) > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
In the last exciting episode, xzilla@users.sourceforge.net (Robert Treat) wrote: > Here is an article from Bruce Perens that lays out the decision to go with > Gnome, and in passing explains the rational for going with PostgreSQL. It's > dated December 15th.... > > http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/12/16/0029234.shtml?tid=130&tid=150&tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 It's interesting how dramatically "partisan" the discussion gets, surrounding the GNOME/KDE dichotomy. The point that KDE partisans bring to the fore is that there's quite a lot of third-party support for "business use" of use of Qt, whereas there isn't so rich a set of visible "business use" of GTK. Of course, that probably has a great deal to do with there being a company with a not-insignificant marketing budget pushing that usage of Qt, whereas there is no large company with a big marketing budget behind GTK. (Other than maybe Ximian...) What is entertaining is that one might also get a pretty accurate accounting (probably even in Slashdot discussion threads :-)) out of doing just three global searches and replaces: s/Qt/MySQL/g s/GTK/PostgreSQL/g s/KDE/MySQL/g What is also interesting is that the objectors deliberately ignore that Perens' reasoning was based on _what licenses are used_, not on some choice of 'what software he thought was technically best.' They are missing the entire point of why "UserLinux" was being created in the first place. It is being created because of _licensing_ concerns, and with a specific need to reject things that "perpetuate the lock-in situations that exist today." Qt has that lock-in problem, as does MySQL. I would note that the fact of this "lock-in" has _not_ been "thrashed out" on the UserLinux mailing list. There's some bare mention of PostgreSQL using a BSD license, but little further comment in that regard. (The main other thing mentioned was Jan Wieck's work on Replication:TNG...) -- output = ("aa454" "@" "freenet.carleton.ca") http://cbbrowne.com/info/unix.html Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who stays up all night wondering if there really is a Dog?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 12:13:59AM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > Of course, that probably has a great deal to do with there being a > company with a not-insignificant marketing budget pushing that usage > of Qt, whereas there is no large company with a big marketing budget > behind GTK. (Other than maybe Ximian...) Well Ximian is Novell nowadays and they have a much higher marketing budget than Trolltech I'd guess. Sometimes i wonder if I'd better switch to windowmaker. :-) Anyway, how sweet it is that the situation pgsql/mysql is so much easier to swallow. :-) Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes, Jabber: meskes@jabber.org Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
The real benefit to Gnome/GTK and the reason I think they will win over KDE/QT (I actually like KDE better)Well Ximian is Novell nowadays and they have a much higher marketing budget than Trolltech I'd guess. Sometimes i wonder if I'd better switch to windowmaker. :-)
is that Gnome/GTK does not require a license fee to create a closed source application.
I also believe that is why Sun and HP both have pushed to make it their default desktop for their
Unixes. Basically they get the best of both worlds. They get a supported platform that they only need
to "tweak" to make it work for them, plus they can build a ton of closed source applications
without paying a license fee to anyone...
J
Anyway, how sweet it is that the situation pgsql/mysql is so much easier to swallow. :-) Michael
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> The real benefit to Gnome/GTK and the reason I think they will win over > KDE/QT (I actually like KDE better) > is that Gnome/GTK does not require a license fee to create a closed > source application. The unfortunate thing about all this is that developing in GTK is primitive, C and sucks, while the C++ QT environment is perhaps the best, most modern, widget library on Earth :P Chris
On Sunday 21 December 2003 10:43, Christopher Browne wrote: > The point that KDE partisans bring to the fore is that there's quite a > lot of third-party support for "business use" of use of Qt, whereas > there isn't so rich a set of visible "business use" of GTK. Hmm.. HP and SUN declaring GNOME their default desktop wouldn't count as business use? > Of course, that probably has a great deal to do with there being a > company with a not-insignificant marketing budget pushing that usage > of Qt, whereas there is no large company with a big marketing budget > behind GTK. (Other than maybe Ximian...) Again.. HP and Sun.. > What is entertaining is that one might also get a pretty accurate > accounting (probably even in Slashdot discussion threads :-)) out of > doing just three global searches and replaces: > > s/Qt/MySQL/g > s/GTK/PostgreSQL/g > s/KDE/MySQL/g > > What is also interesting is that the objectors deliberately ignore > that Perens' reasoning was based on _what licenses are used_, not on > some choice of 'what software he thought was technically best.' I find that confusing. Personally I think combination of LGPL+GPL is as friendly as BSD to business. Qt has no fee associated with usage of libraries in end products. KDE libraies are LGPL'ed. The licensing requirement for Qt is only for development of closed source applications and it is not that high for a business, counting the value and support TrolTech provides.. > They are missing the entire point of why "UserLinux" was being created > in the first place. It is being created because of _licensing_ > concerns, and with a specific need to reject things that "perpetuate > the lock-in situations that exist today." Qt has that lock-in > problem, as does MySQL. I don't see a lock in problem with Qt. If TrollTech goes bust, they will release the source code unde free license(IIRC GPL). That is a well known documented policy for long time. And till it is in business it will provide support to it's users. MySQL could avoid the problems by licensing the client library under LGPL but they revoked that term recently. MySQL charges for using their product. TrollTech charges for developing using their products. It makes a huge difference in amount of moeny goin in respective company. IMO that makes them altogether different catagories.. Personally I like KDE/Qt and enjoy developing with it. I know projects which have paid for Qt licenses and found it worth doing that. If they want GNOME, they can choose, but I find the argument of licensing little weak to reject KDE.. Shridhar
В Пнд, 22.12.2003, в 05:50, Christopher Kings-Lynne пишет: > The unfortunate thing about all this is that developing in GTK is > primitive, C and sucks, while the C++ QT environment is perhaps the > best, most modern, widget library on Earth :P You can develop GTK applications in C++, in fact I think GTK is the toolkit with the most bindings to other languages. Compare http://gtkmm.org/gtkmm2/docs/FAQ/html/index.html#id2432168 http://gtkmm.org/gtkmm2/docs/FAQ/html/index.html#id2432591 http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=527 and also http://www.telegraph-road.org/writings/gtkmm_vs_qt.html -- Markus Bertheau <twanger@bluetwanger.de>
>>The unfortunate thing about all this is that developing in GTK is >>primitive, C and sucks, while the C++ QT environment is perhaps the >>best, most modern, widget library on Earth :P > > > You can develop GTK applications in C++, in fact I think GTK is the > toolkit with the most bindings to other languages. Compare A hacky C++ wrapper around a C library isn't the same as a designed from scratch C++ library :) Chris
shridhar_daithankar@myrealbox.com (Shridhar Daithankar) writes: > On Sunday 21 December 2003 10:43, Christopher Browne wrote: >> The point that KDE partisans bring to the fore is that there's >> quite a lot of third-party support for "business use" of use of Qt, >> whereas there isn't so rich a set of visible "business use" of GTK. > Hmm.. HP and SUN declaring GNOME their default desktop wouldn't > count as business use? It doesn't involve deploying "bespoke" applications written using GTK, so no, it doesn't. >> Of course, that probably has a great deal to do with there being a >> company with a not-insignificant marketing budget pushing that >> usage of Qt, whereas there is no large company with a big marketing >> budget behind GTK. (Other than maybe Ximian...) > > Again.. HP and Sun.. They aren't spending $Big Buck$ promoting its use, they're merely deploying it. In contrast, it is very much in the interests of TrollTech to actively market Qt because that leads to them getting a substantial stream of revenue from selling Qt licenses. > Qt has no fee associated with usage of libraries in end > products. KDE libraies are LGPL'ed. The licensing requirement for Qt > is only for development of closed source applications and it is not > that high for a business, counting the value and support TrolTech > provides.. That is only true for applications being deployed on free Unixes like Linux or FreeBSD. If you are deploying applications on other platforms, you're expected to build using the commercially-licensed version of Qt. And the matter of having to deploy software under the GPL very much _is_ the reason why "UserLinux" rejected Qt as unacceptable for their purposes, and GTK as preferable. >> They are missing the entire point of why "UserLinux" was being >> created in the first place. It is being created because of >> _licensing_ concerns, and with a specific need to reject things >> that "perpetuate the lock-in situations that exist today." Qt has >> that lock-in problem, as does MySQL. > > I don't see a lock in problem with Qt. If TrollTech goes bust, they > will release the source code unde free license(IIRC GPL). That is a > well known documented policy for long time. And till it is in > business it will provide support to it's users. The only case where there _isn't_ a "lock in" would be if TrollTech _did_ "go bust." And if they did do so, they would _not_ release under the GPL, but rather under a BSD license. <http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php> > MySQL could avoid the problems by licensing the client library under > LGPL but they revoked that term recently. You are missing the point that this isn't a problem they would want to "avoid." What they very clearly want to do is to discourage people from using the "free" version, and to convince them to use the "commercial" version instead. The nonavailability of LGPLed libraries is not a "bug;" it is a "feature" in that it pushes people to send them money. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/postgresql.html Would-be National Mottos: Canada: "We're nicer than you, and we've got national health insurance." (Message on billboards all over the US-Canada border, sponsored by the National Council of Smug Canadians)
On Monday 29 December 2003 21:37, Christopher Browne wrote: > What they very clearly want to do is to discourage people from using > the "free" version, and to convince them to use the "commercial" > version instead. The nonavailability of LGPLed libraries is not a > "bug;" it is a "feature" in that it pushes people to send them money. I wouldn't read it that way. The act is same as mysql but the effects are different, TrollTech asks for developer licenses in lieu of support and mysql asks for client libraries. So if your software is populer, mysql rides on popularity of your software. Just like it happens with oracle in many cases.. I would consider the act of TrollTech to be reasonable enough. Coupled with technical superiority of their product, I think they deserve the cost they are charging. Besides UserLinux is expected to be a business friendly distro. Why does it assume that business wants all tools for free? If I run a business and find userlinux a good model of a linux distribution and Qt to be a good development framework, cost of few Qt licenses for my proprietory apps. would be rather negligible investment. Besides that buys me portability to windows with support as well. The cost goes even down then.. Linux is all about choice. And Userlinux is taking away from it by making one on behalf on business. I don't think it will sell any big. And we all know how much defaults matter. Isn't this really all about? Shridhar
n Tue, 2003-12-30 at 19:40, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > Besides UserLinux is expected to be a business friendly distro. Why does it > assume that business wants all tools for free? I don't think they *assume* that. They are adopting it as a stance, one which people can "buy" into if they wish. If others think an alternative stance is more viable, they should pursue it. > If I run a business and find userlinux a good model of a linux distribution > and Qt to be a good development framework, cost of few Qt licenses for my > proprietory apps. would be rather negligible investment. Besides that buys me > portability to windows with support as well. The cost goes even down then.. > > Linux is all about choice. And Userlinux is taking away from it by making one > on behalf on business. I don't think it will sell any big. Just don't use UserLinux if it offends you or if it's not appropriate. UserLinux is *another* choice. It removes no existing choices. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com
> > If I run a business and find userlinux a good model of a linux distribution > and Qt to be a good development framework, cost of few Qt licenses for my > proprietory apps. would be rather negligible investment. Besides that buys me > portability to windows with support as well. The cost goes even down then.. > Just FYI GTK2 works great with Windows... > Linux is all about choice. And Userlinux is taking away from it by making one > on behalf on business. I don't think it will sell any big. I think you would be surprised, to us Linux is about choice -- the the "public" linux is about cheap. To the business world it is stability on the cheap. Also, I know few companies that are switching to Linux because it is better. They switch to Linux because of TCO. We may feel/know that it is better, but in the business world it is the pennies that matter... If they don't have to buy a license, they won't. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > And we all know how much defaults matter. Isn't this really all about? > > Shridhar > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-667-4564 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Mammoth PostgreSQL Replicator. Integrated Replication for PostgreSQL
jd@commandprompt.com ("Joshua D. Drake") writes:
>> If I run a business and find userlinux a good model of a linux
>> distribution and Qt to be a good development framework, cost of few
>> Qt licenses for my proprietory apps. would be rather negligible
>> investment. Besides that buys me portability to windows with
>> support as well. The cost goes even down then..
> Just FYI GTK2 works great with Windows...
Right. And there's nobody charging extra fees to port to Windows.
>> Linux is all about choice. And Userlinux is taking away from it by
>> making one on behalf on business. I don't think it will sell any
>> big.
>
> I think you would be surprised, to us Linux is about choice -- the
> the "public" linux is about cheap. To the business world it is
> stability on the cheap.
>
> Also, I know few companies that are switching to Linux because it is
> better. They switch to Linux because of TCO.
>
> We may feel/know that it is better, but in the business world it is
> the pennies that matter... If they don't have to buy a license, they
> won't.
When doing "risk management," why would an enormous company like Sun
or HP or IBM be expected to tie their applications' availability to
the potential caprices of the policies of a comparatively tiny company
like TrollTech?
The TrollTech guys seem to be nice guys and all, but that doesn't
prevent bad things from happening. I recall American Airlines putting
efforts into _actively_ migrating away from Borland Delphi, and their
reasoning was that Borland seemed "too risky." Delphi aficionados
might disagree vigorously, but that _doesn't_ invalidate the AMR
reasoning.
The same is true for Kylix, only with greator strength, as it hasn't
got the merit (which Qt has) of portability to multiple flavours of
Unix. And it isn't supported on any "supported" version of Red Hat
Linux anymore, which demonstrates that there truly is a significant
risk of it becoming unsupportable.
Similarly, only a complete fool would have entrusted their "office
software" requirements to Corel WP Office 2K; it only briefly
_grudgingly_ worked on certain Linux distributions that are _years_
out of date. The non-availability of source guarantees that it'll
only work on those platforms that the vendor is prepared to spend
money supporting, and Corel's money all went away in that regard...
Similar reasoning lies behind NeXTStep and NeWS not "taking over the
world;" they were pretty nifty technologies, but NeXT was a pretty
tiny company (albeit one that arguably took over Apple :-)), and Unix
vendors were reluctant to give control over so much to them. (They
instead went with Motif, which has just too much ugliness to it to
readily recount... :-()
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>Similar reasoning lies behind NeXTStep and NeWS not "taking over the >world;" they were pretty nifty technologies, but NeXT was a pretty >tiny company (albeit one that arguably took over Apple :-)), and Unix > > You had me until this one. NeXTStep is quietly taking over the world right now. It is call MacOS X. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake >vendors were reluctant to give control over so much to them. (They >instead went with Motif, which has just too much ugliness to it to >readily recount... :-() > > -- Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting. +1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandprompt.com - http://www.commandprompt.com Editor-N-Chief - PostgreSQl.Org - http://www.postgresql.org
On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 19:40, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > Besides UserLinux is expected to be a business friendly distro. Why does it > assume that business wants all tools for free? I don't think they *assume* that. They are adopting it as a stance, one which people can "buy" into if they wish. If others think an alternative stance is more viable, they should pursue it. > If I run a business and find userlinux a good model of a linux distribution > and Qt to be a good development framework, cost of few Qt licenses for my > proprietory apps. would be rather negligible investment. Besides that buys me > portability to windows with support as well. The cost goes even down then.. > > Linux is all about choice. And Userlinux is taking away from it by making one > on behalf on business. I don't think it will sell any big. Just don't use UserLinux if it offends you or if it's not appropriate. UserLinux is *another* choice. It removes no existing choices. -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkills http://www.openskills.com