Thread: Wrong note in the information schema section?

Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"Daniel Westermann (DWE)"
Date:
Hi %.

we have this note in the information schema section, e.g. in
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/information-schema.html

..."This is because the SQL standard requires constraint names to be unique within a schema, but PostgreSQL does not
enforcethis restriction."  
...
PostgreSQL does enforce unique constraint names in a schema:

postgres=# create table t1 ( a int );
CREATE TABLE
postgres=# alter table t1 add constraint c1 unique (a);
ALTER TABLE
postgres=# alter table t1 add constraint c1 unique (a);
ERROR:  relation "c1" already exists

Am I reading this wrong? I know you can have the same constraint with different names:

postgres=# create table t1 ( a int );
CREATE TABLE
postgres=# alter table t1 add constraint c2 unique (a);
ALTER TABLE
postgres=# alter table t1 add constraint c3 unique (a);
ALTER TABLE

... but I guess this is not what the notes is supposed to tell me, correct?

Regards
Daniel


Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"David G. Johnston"
Date:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 5:51 AM Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

we have this note in the information schema section, e.g. in https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/information-schema.html

..."This is because the SQL standard requires constraint names to be unique within a schema, but PostgreSQL does not enforce this restriction."
...
PostgreSQL does enforce unique constraint names in a schema:

[...]
... but I guess this is not what the notes is supposed to tell me, correct?


Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is that the schema scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is detected.

David J.

Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"Daniel Westermann (DWE)"
Date:
>>..."This is because the SQL standard requires constraint names to be unique within a schema, but PostgreSQL does not
enforcethis >>restriction."  
>>..
>>PostgreSQL does enforce unique constraint names in a schema:

>>[...]
>>... but I guess this is not what the notes is supposed to tell me, correct?


>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is
thatthe schema >scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is
detected.

Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

Regards
Daniel


Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"David G. Johnston"
Date:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is that the schema >scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is detected.

Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

Create a second table and add a constraint of the same name to it.

David J.
 

Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"David G. Johnston"
Date:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is that the schema >scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is detected.

Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

Create a second table and add a constraint of the same name to it.
 

And your error is actually because the name of the unique index backing the constraint is a problem, not the name of the constraint itself.  Try naming a check constraint.

David J.
 

Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
Pantelis Theodosiou
Date:


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 6:53 AM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is that the schema >scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is detected.

Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

Create a second table and add a constraint of the same name to it.
 

And your error is actually because the name of the unique index backing the constraint is a problem, not the name of the constraint itself.  Try naming a check constraint.

David J.
 

As the rest of the paragraph explains, name duplication is checked at table level for all constraints and at schema level for index-based constraints (UNIQUE, PRIMARY KEY, EXCLUDE): 

> > ... However, this extra freedom does not exist for index-based constraints (UNIQUEPRIMARY KEY, and EXCLUDE constraints), because the associated index is named the same as the constraint, and index names must be unique across all relations within the same schema.

So, adding two index-based constraints (UNIQUE or PK or EXCLUDE) with same name fails, whether they are in the same table or different ones in the same schema.
Adding two constraints (whatever type) with same name in the same table fails.
Adding two or more constraints with same name in different tables of the same schema succeeds as long as none or only one is index-based.

Best regards,
Pantelis Theodosiou

Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
"Daniel Westermann (DWE)"
Date:
 
On Monday, August 30, 2021, David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

>>>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is
thatthe schema >>>scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is
detected.

>>Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

>Create a second table and add a constraint of the same name to it.
 

>And your error is actually because the name of the unique index backing the constraint is a problem, not the name of
theconstraint >itself.  Try naming a check constraint. 

Thanks, now it makes sense:

postgres=# create table t1 ( a int );
CREATE TABLE
postgres=# create table t2 ( a int );
CREATE TABLE
postgres=# alter table t1 add constraint chk1 check ( a > 1 );
ALTER TABLE
postgres=# alter table t2 add constraint chk1 check ( a > 1 );


Regards
Daniel


Re: Wrong note in the information schema section?

From
Pantelis Theodosiou
Date:


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 7:43 AM Pantelis Theodosiou <ypercube@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 6:53 AM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 30, 2021, Daniel Westermann (DWE) <daniel.westermann@dbi-services.com> wrote:

>Practically speaking there must be some level of scope where a duplicate name error can occur.  All the docs say is that the schema >scope is not it.  You've demonstrated that it is the table scope where duplication of names is detected.

Thanks, David. The sentence above is still misleading, at least according to my understanding.

Create a second table and add a constraint of the same name to it.
 

And your error is actually because the name of the unique index backing the constraint is a problem, not the name of the constraint itself.  Try naming a check constraint.

David J.
 

As the rest of the paragraph explains, name duplication is checked at table level for all constraints and at schema level for index-based constraints (UNIQUE, PRIMARY KEY, EXCLUDE): 

> > ... However, this extra freedom does not exist for index-based constraints (UNIQUEPRIMARY KEY, and EXCLUDE constraints), because the associated index is named the same as the constraint, and index names must be unique across all relations within the same schema.

So, adding two index-based constraints (UNIQUE or PK or EXCLUDE) with same name fails, whether they are in the same table or different ones in the same schema.
Adding two constraints (whatever type) with same name in the same table fails.
Adding two or more constraints with same name in different tables of the same schema succeeds as long as none or only one is index-based.

Best regards,
Pantelis Theodosiou

I should add that the above is in the CREATE TABLE page, not in (information-schema page):

>  Constraint Naming

> The SQL standard says that table and domain constraints must have names that are unique across the schema containing the table or domain. PostgreSQL is laxer: it only requires constraint names to be unique across the constraints attached to a particular table or domain. However, this extra freedom does not exist for index-based constraints (UNIQUEPRIMARY KEY, and EXCLUDE constraints), because the associated index is named the same as the constraint, and index names must be unique across all relations within the same schema.