Thread: PGAdmin 4 V5 scroll-bars

What about the scroll wheel?  Can you scroll the windows without directly 
touching the scroll bars like in other applications? -- Darren Duncan

On 2021-03-22 5:10 p.m., Don wrote:
> The PGAdmin 4 V5 Query tool vertical and horizontal scroll-bars don't work. They 
> are visible as per the screen-shot but the mouse pointer doesn't appear when 
> floating over the editor scroll-bars.
> 
> This happens when right-clicking on an object and selecting Query tool and 
> either entering some long SQL statements or pasting a query from another 
> script.  It also happens when a function is right-clicked and Scripts>Create 
> Script is selected.  Resizing the window does not make a difference.
> 
> The scroll-bars do work on the left hand pane where the function list is.
> 
> I'm using it in desktop mode in a Windows 10 64-bit environment.
> 
> Please look into this issue and let me know if more information is required.

Yes, that does work. It's just not as handy...

------ Original Message ------
From: "Darren Duncan" <darren@darrenduncan.net>
To: pgadmin-support@lists.postgresql.org
Sent: 23/03/2021 3:01:27 PM
Subject: Re: PGAdmin 4 V5 scroll-bars

>What about the scroll wheel?  Can you scroll the windows without directly touching the scroll bars like in other
applications?-- Darren Duncan 
>
>On 2021-03-22 5:10 p.m., Don wrote:
>>The PGAdmin 4 V5 Query tool vertical and horizontal scroll-bars don't work. They are visible as per the screen-shot
butthe mouse pointer doesn't appear when floating over the editor scroll-bars. 
>>
>>This happens when right-clicking on an object and selecting Query tool and either entering some long SQL statements
orpasting a query from another script.  It also happens when a function is right-clicked and Scripts>Create Script is
selected. Resizing the window does not make a difference. 
>>
>>The scroll-bars do work on the left hand pane where the function list is.
>>
>>I'm using it in desktop mode in a Windows 10 64-bit environment.
>>
>>Please look into this issue and let me know if more information is required.
>
>


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That's weird, I usually consider scroll wheels an order of magnitude more handy 
than clicking the scroll arrow buttons.  One reason is that its a very large 
target, the arrow simply has to be anywhere within the window to be scrolled, 
and not by the tiny arrows.  Another reason, a big one, is that the scroll wheel 
lets you scroll windows without bringing them into focus, such as if they are 
partly behind something else, where clicking the arrows brings that window in to 
focus. -- Darren Duncan

On 2021-03-22 9:29 p.m., Don wrote:
> Yes, that does work. It's just not as handy...
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Darren Duncan" <darren@darrenduncan.net>
> To: pgadmin-support@lists.postgresql.org
> Sent: 23/03/2021 3:01:27 PM
> Subject: Re: PGAdmin 4 V5 scroll-bars
> 
>> What about the scroll wheel?  Can you scroll the windows without directly 
>> touching the scroll bars like in other applications? -- Darren Duncan
>>
>> On 2021-03-22 5:10 p.m., Don wrote:
>>> The PGAdmin 4 V5 Query tool vertical and horizontal scroll-bars don't work. 
>>> They are visible as per the screen-shot but the mouse pointer doesn't appear 
>>> when floating over the editor scroll-bars.
>>>
>>> This happens when right-clicking on an object and selecting Query tool and 
>>> either entering some long SQL statements or pasting a query from another 
>>> script.  It also happens when a function is right-clicked and Scripts>Create 
>>> Script is selected.  Resizing the window does not make a difference.
>>>
>>> The scroll-bars do work on the left hand pane where the function list is.
>>>
>>> I'm using it in desktop mode in a Windows 10 64-bit environment.
>>>
>>> Please look into this issue and let me know if more information is required.
>>
>>
> 
> 

Dear all,
same problem with not working scroll bars here in the browser (Firefox 86.0.1 
64-Bit on Win10) on server mode.

-----Original Message-----
> That's weird, I usually consider scroll wheels an order of magnitude more 
> handy than clicking the scroll arrow buttons.

The mouse wheel only works in one dimension. And you can't directly jump to a 
position (e.g. "at the end" or "75% down") like you can with the scroll bars.


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Philipp

On 2021-03-23 1:52 a.m., H. v. Loewenfeld, Philipp wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
>> That's weird, I usually consider scroll wheels an order of magnitude more
>> handy than clicking the scroll arrow buttons.
> 
> The mouse wheel only works in one dimension. And you can't directly jump to a
> position (e.g. "at the end" or "75% down") like you can with the scroll bars.

The more modern (but still almost decade old) ones that are touch/trackpad based 
work in both dimensions, such as the Apple Magic Mouse, or otherwise any 
trackpad/touch control surface.  And with a standard inertia feature going to 
the end is often a quick flick of the finger, or the keyboard End key.

I don't disagree that broken scroll bar UI is a bad thing and should be priority 
fixed.

But I recommend that people will have a more pleasant experience in computing 
generally if they try other common input device alternatives.  The difference is 
almost as night and day as knowing how to touch type vs hunt and peck.

-- Darren Duncan

Richard,

I appreciate what you're saying, and that there are people who are more limited 
in what tools they can physically use.

But my comments are aimed at what I assumed to be a common case of people that 
are physically capable of using a wider variety of input devices but may have 
simply not realized that things like multi-dimensional touch scrolling existed 
because either of their past experiences or what controls their computer came with.

The "ten years" comment is referring to how long desktop Apple Macs had shipped 
with such a Magic Mouse (a regular multi-button mouse with a touch surface on 
top) as standard equipment, but its very likely that many other brands of PCs 
shipped with more limited equipment, but can use the touch ones.

I am just letting people know about options they may not know have existed which 
can make their computer-using experience much more pleasant.

Its not a slight on people unable to use such equipment for whatever reasons.

Its like how the whole original thread about scroll bars, or most discussion on 
this forum, is not a slight against blind people who would be unable to see the 
scroll bars.  Its implicitly realized that not everyone can use everything and 
discussion implicitly concerns people who can use the things under discussion.

So my point is made, I don't feel like spamming the forum with this tangent any 
longer.

And I'm glad to hear the scrollbar fix will be coming on Thursday.

-- Darren Duncan

On 2021-03-23 2:10 p.m., richard coleman wrote:
> Darren,
> 
> I think I understand what you are trying to get at with your post, but I am 
> afraid it comes across as a bit insensitive.  Trackpad/touch control surfaces 
> are very difficult for me, and I would imagine like situated people, to 
> utilize.  Suggesting that they try a ".../more modern (but still almost /[sic] 
> /decade old)/..." interface is like suggesting a blind person stop using a 
> braille interface for a color monitor.  How did you put it?
> 
>     "/The difference is almost as night and day as knowing how to touch type vs
>     hunt and peck./"
> 
> You might want to try and understand that not everyone is as abled as yourself.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> rik.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 2:08 PM Darren Duncan wrote:
> 
>     On 2021-03-23 1:52 a.m., H. v. Loewenfeld, Philipp wrote:
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      >> That's weird, I usually consider scroll wheels an order of magnitude more
>      >> handy than clicking the scroll arrow buttons.
>      >
>      > The mouse wheel only works in one dimension. And you can't directly jump to a
>      > position (e.g. "at the end" or "75% down") like you can with the scroll bars.
> 
>     The more modern (but still almost decade old) ones that are touch/trackpad
>     based
>     work in both dimensions, such as the Apple Magic Mouse, or otherwise any
>     trackpad/touch control surface.  And with a standard inertia feature going to
>     the end is often a quick flick of the finger, or the keyboard End key.
> 
>     I don't disagree that broken scroll bar UI is a bad thing and should be
>     priority
>     fixed.
> 
>     But I recommend that people will have a more pleasant experience in computing
>     generally if they try other common input device alternatives.  The
>     difference is
>     almost as night and day as knowing how to touch type vs hunt and peck.
> 
>     -- Darren Duncan
> 
>