Re: PGAdmin 4 V5 scroll-bars - Mailing list pgadmin-support

Richard,

I appreciate what you're saying, and that there are people who are more limited 
in what tools they can physically use.

But my comments are aimed at what I assumed to be a common case of people that 
are physically capable of using a wider variety of input devices but may have 
simply not realized that things like multi-dimensional touch scrolling existed 
because either of their past experiences or what controls their computer came with.

The "ten years" comment is referring to how long desktop Apple Macs had shipped 
with such a Magic Mouse (a regular multi-button mouse with a touch surface on 
top) as standard equipment, but its very likely that many other brands of PCs 
shipped with more limited equipment, but can use the touch ones.

I am just letting people know about options they may not know have existed which 
can make their computer-using experience much more pleasant.

Its not a slight on people unable to use such equipment for whatever reasons.

Its like how the whole original thread about scroll bars, or most discussion on 
this forum, is not a slight against blind people who would be unable to see the 
scroll bars.  Its implicitly realized that not everyone can use everything and 
discussion implicitly concerns people who can use the things under discussion.

So my point is made, I don't feel like spamming the forum with this tangent any 
longer.

And I'm glad to hear the scrollbar fix will be coming on Thursday.

-- Darren Duncan

On 2021-03-23 2:10 p.m., richard coleman wrote:
> Darren,
> 
> I think I understand what you are trying to get at with your post, but I am 
> afraid it comes across as a bit insensitive.  Trackpad/touch control surfaces 
> are very difficult for me, and I would imagine like situated people, to 
> utilize.  Suggesting that they try a ".../more modern (but still almost /[sic] 
> /decade old)/..." interface is like suggesting a blind person stop using a 
> braille interface for a color monitor.  How did you put it?
> 
>     "/The difference is almost as night and day as knowing how to touch type vs
>     hunt and peck./"
> 
> You might want to try and understand that not everyone is as abled as yourself.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> rik.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 2:08 PM Darren Duncan wrote:
> 
>     On 2021-03-23 1:52 a.m., H. v. Loewenfeld, Philipp wrote:
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      >> That's weird, I usually consider scroll wheels an order of magnitude more
>      >> handy than clicking the scroll arrow buttons.
>      >
>      > The mouse wheel only works in one dimension. And you can't directly jump to a
>      > position (e.g. "at the end" or "75% down") like you can with the scroll bars.
> 
>     The more modern (but still almost decade old) ones that are touch/trackpad
>     based
>     work in both dimensions, such as the Apple Magic Mouse, or otherwise any
>     trackpad/touch control surface.  And with a standard inertia feature going to
>     the end is often a quick flick of the finger, or the keyboard End key.
> 
>     I don't disagree that broken scroll bar UI is a bad thing and should be
>     priority
>     fixed.
> 
>     But I recommend that people will have a more pleasant experience in computing
>     generally if they try other common input device alternatives.  The
>     difference is
>     almost as night and day as knowing how to touch type vs hunt and peck.
> 
>     -- Darren Duncan
> 
>