Thread: [pgadmin-support] So... you're all just going to ignore anyone who asks about theHUGE issues with pgAdmin 4?

It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.

​There isn't a monopoly on GUI admin software for PostgresSQL.  While it has its quirks I find PostgreSQL Maestro to be quite functional for my needs - at least the ones I don't solve by writing scripts and executing them via psql.  The server is going to function the same no matter which external administration/client tools you choose to use.

I rarely used pgAdmin3, I found it to be "too graphical" if that makes sense, and haven't tried pgAdmin4.  My scanning of this mailing list leads me to believe what you are saying is reasonably accurate even if your tone is not: there are a number of active discussions on this very topic on this mailing list right now.

David J.

Usually I am just lurking on this mailing list but your comments are way out of line.
Obviously you care about the software and yes, the problems are there and acknowledged but where do you think your
emotionaloutburst get you?
 
Do you think the devs will just flip a switch and all the problems are fixed? They don't owe you anything AT ALL.
You probably just want to vent steam and by all means, go ahead and do it but please not in a public place.

If you are so unsatisfied move to another administration tool. There are others out there for postgresql.


On Donnerstag, 15. Juni 2017 19:05:25 CEST grekloedlc@tutanota.com wrote:
> It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell
wasn'trelated to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for
pre-pre-pre-alphasoftware. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have
somethingwrong in their head.
 
> 
> Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to
somethingelse just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.
 





As others have pointed out, there are other graphical administration tools
for PostgreSQL. If you really cannot wait for PgAdmin 4 to be "fixed" to
your satisfaction, just look here:

I too am also disappointed in the current version of the product, so I simply
continue to use PgAdmin III until I see sufficient improvements. However, your
recent rants does nothing to encourage Dave Page and his team. So kindly
rephrase your disappointment into positive suggestions.

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On Thursday, June 15, 2017, 1:05:55 PM EDT, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:


It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.
It doesn't sound like anyone is ignoring the problem but some issues are harder to fix than others. If pgAdmin4 isn't working for you, use something else. No one is saying you have to use pgAdmin4.

While you are accusing many people of having something wrong in their heads I have observed that you are the only one that is flipping out over the issue. As I stated in a prior message, I was dissatisfied with pgAdmin4 on Windows so I got pgAdmin3 for Windows and PostgreSQL 9.6 from another vendor that is maintaining pgAdmin3. No need to panic. Still getting my work done. When pgAdmin4 works well (and it's getting there and it's definitely not the worst performing software that I use on a daily basis), I'll make the switch.

Another way of looking at the situation is that someone has to test the software. It cannot be up to David alone. There are many people doing this and not flipping out about the issues but simply presenting them to David so they can be fixed. It's a process. No software is perfect on every machine and platform before being released. There is no way for David to test every possible scenario and he has explained that already. It takes a community of cooperation to make it right.

I hope you can find a solution that works for you while David works out the bugs in pgAdmin4.

Patrick Headley
Linx Consulting, Inc.
pheadley@linxco-inc.com
(303) 916-5522
www.linxco-inc.com
On 06/15/2017 11:20 AM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.

​There isn't a monopoly on GUI admin software for PostgresSQL.  While it has its quirks I find PostgreSQL Maestro to be quite functional for my needs - at least the ones I don't solve by writing scripts and executing them via psql.  The server is going to function the same no matter which external administration/client tools you choose to use.

I rarely used pgAdmin3, I found it to be "too graphical" if that makes sense, and haven't tried pgAdmin4.  My scanning of this mailing list leads me to believe what you are saying is reasonably accurate even if your tone is not: there are a number of active discussions on this very topic on this mailing list right now.

David J.


Like is this a charade? Am I hallucinating? Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Headley <pheadley@linxco-inc.com> wrote:
It doesn't sound like anyone is ignoring the problem but some issues are harder to fix than others. If pgAdmin4 isn't working for you, use something else. No one is saying you have to use pgAdmin4.

While you are accusing many people of having something wrong in their heads I have observed that you are the only one that is flipping out over the issue. As I stated in a prior message, I was dissatisfied with pgAdmin4 on Windows so I got pgAdmin3 for Windows and PostgreSQL 9.6 from another vendor that is maintaining pgAdmin3. No need to panic. Still getting my work done. When pgAdmin4 works well (and it's getting there and it's definitely not the worst performing software that I use on a daily basis), I'll make the switch.

Another way of looking at the situation is that someone has to test the software. It cannot be up to David alone. There are many people doing this and not flipping out about the issues but simply presenting them to David so they can be fixed. It's a process. No software is perfect on every machine and platform before being released. There is no way for David to test every possible scenario and he has explained that already. It takes a community of cooperation to make it right.

I hope you can find a solution that works for you while David works out the bugs in pgAdmin4.

Patrick Headley
Linx Consulting, Inc.
pheadley@linxco-inc.com
(303) 916-5522
www.linxco-inc.com
On 06/15/2017 11:20 AM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.

​There isn't a monopoly on GUI admin software for PostgresSQL.  While it has its quirks I find PostgreSQL Maestro to be quite functional for my needs - at least the ones I don't solve by writing scripts and executing them via psql.  The server is going to function the same no matter which external administration/client tools you choose to use.

I rarely used pgAdmin3, I found it to be "too graphical" if that makes sense, and haven't tried pgAdmin4.  My scanning of this mailing list leads me to believe what you are saying is reasonably accurate even if your tone is not: there are a number of active discussions on this very topic on this mailing list right now.

David J.





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www.greenwoodmap.com
> Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?

Yes, we use MS Windows with PgAdmin to connect to PostgreSQL on LINUX systems.

Melvin Davidson 🎸
    Cell 720-320-0155
I reserve the right to fantasize.  Whether or not you
wish to share my fantasy is entirely up to you.
www.youtube.com/unusedhero/videos
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On Thursday, June 15, 2017, 9:15:59 PM EDT, Richard Greenwood <richard.greenwood@gmail.com> wrote:


Like is this a charade? Am I hallucinating? Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Headley <pheadley@linxco-inc.com> wrote:
It doesn't sound like anyone is ignoring the problem but some issues are harder to fix than others. If pgAdmin4 isn't working for you, use something else. No one is saying you have to use pgAdmin4.

While you are accusing many people of having something wrong in their heads I have observed that you are the only one that is flipping out over the issue. As I stated in a prior message, I was dissatisfied with pgAdmin4 on Windows so I got pgAdmin3 for Windows and PostgreSQL 9.6 from another vendor that is maintaining pgAdmin3. No need to panic. Still getting my work done. When pgAdmin4 works well (and it's getting there and it's definitely not the worst performing software that I use on a daily basis), I'll make the switch.

Another way of looking at the situation is that someone has to test the software. It cannot be up to David alone. There are many people doing this and not flipping out about the issues but simply presenting them to David so they can be fixed. It's a process. No software is perfect on every machine and platform before being released. There is no way for David to test every possible scenario and he has explained that already. It takes a community of cooperation to make it right.

I hope you can find a solution that works for you while David works out the bugs in pgAdmin4.

Patrick Headley
Linx Consulting, Inc.
pheadley@linxco-inc.com
(303) 916-5522
www.linxco-inc.com
On 06/15/2017 11:20 AM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.

​There isn't a monopoly on GUI admin software for PostgresSQL.  While it has its quirks I find PostgreSQL Maestro to be quite functional for my needs - at least the ones I don't solve by writing scripts and executing them via psql.  The server is going to function the same no matter which external administration/client tools you choose to use.

I rarely used pgAdmin3, I found it to be "too graphical" if that makes sense, and haven't tried pgAdmin4.  My scanning of this mailing list leads me to believe what you are saying is reasonably accurate even if your tone is not: there are a number of active discussions on this very topic on this mailing list right now.

David J.





--
Richard W. Greenwood, PLS
www.greenwoodmap.com
> Like is this a charade? Am I hallucinating? Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?
Yes, a good number of people still use Windows, even in the Postgres world.  It's not as uncommon as you seem to believe.  I'd say among non-hackers, it's probably by far the majority.
Have you tried running in server mode on Windows? You launch a lightweight process on your windows computer, open a browser and from there can connect to local and remote psotgres instances on any platform. I think a lot of people are confused by the "server" mode an assume that you have to run the server on the postgres instance, which is not the case.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Melvin Davidson <melvin6925@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?

Yes, we use MS Windows with PgAdmin to connect to PostgreSQL on LINUX systems.

Melvin Davidson 🎸
    Cell 720-320-0155
I reserve the right to fantasize.  Whether or not you
wish to share my fantasy is entirely up to you.
www.youtube.com/unusedhero/videos
Folk Alley - All Folk - 24 Hours a day
www.folkalley.com





On Thursday, June 15, 2017, 9:15:59 PM EDT, Richard Greenwood <richard.greenwood@gmail.com> wrote:


Like is this a charade? Am I hallucinating? Are computer professionals still using MS Windows?

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Headley <pheadley@linxco-inc.com> wrote:
It doesn't sound like anyone is ignoring the problem but some issues are harder to fix than others. If pgAdmin4 isn't working for you, use something else. No one is saying you have to use pgAdmin4.

While you are accusing many people of having something wrong in their heads I have observed that you are the only one that is flipping out over the issue. As I stated in a prior message, I was dissatisfied with pgAdmin4 on Windows so I got pgAdmin3 for Windows and PostgreSQL 9.6 from another vendor that is maintaining pgAdmin3. No need to panic. Still getting my work done. When pgAdmin4 works well (and it's getting there and it's definitely not the worst performing software that I use on a daily basis), I'll make the switch.

Another way of looking at the situation is that someone has to test the software. It cannot be up to David alone. There are many people doing this and not flipping out about the issues but simply presenting them to David so they can be fixed. It's a process. No software is perfect on every machine and platform before being released. There is no way for David to test every possible scenario and he has explained that already. It takes a community of cooperation to make it right.

I hope you can find a solution that works for you while David works out the bugs in pgAdmin4.

Patrick Headley
Linx Consulting, Inc.
pheadley@linxco-inc.com
(303) 916-5522
www.linxco-inc.com
On 06/15/2017 11:20 AM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM, <grekloedlc@tutanota.com> wrote:
It doesn't seem possible to get through to you. Whatever you spent those one million dollars on, it sure as hell wasn't related to pgAdmin in any way. More like very heavy drugs, if you think this is even acceptable for pre-pre-pre-alpha software. It's literally *unusable*. You get it? UNUSABLE. Anyone who claims otherwise must have something wrong in their head.

Are you just going to keep on this charade or actually fix the problem?  Do I have to switch from PostgreSQL to something else just because the admin tool is broken beyond the point of being usable to anyone? This is insanity.

​There isn't a monopoly on GUI admin software for PostgresSQL.  While it has its quirks I find PostgreSQL Maestro to be quite functional for my needs - at least the ones I don't solve by writing scripts and executing them via psql.  The server is going to function the same no matter which external administration/client tools you choose to use.

I rarely used pgAdmin3, I found it to be "too graphical" if that makes sense, and haven't tried pgAdmin4.  My scanning of this mailing list leads me to believe what you are saying is reasonably accurate even if your tone is not: there are a number of active discussions on this very topic on this mailing list right now.

David J.





--
Richard W. Greenwood, PLS
www.greenwoodmap.com



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www.greenwoodmap.com