Thread: Wiki access warning?
WWW, Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
Josh, * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: > Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an > antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home > page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people > aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers. Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in the Editor group to edit pages would be good. Thanks! Stephen
On 01/04/2016 09:52 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > Josh, > > * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: >> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an >> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home >> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people >> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. > > Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time > going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had > edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers. > > Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently > and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the > homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in > the Editor group to edit pages would be good. exactly - accounts that have recently edited the wiki have been granted the "editor" priviledge. We are still discussing on how to improve the situation but the mediawiki capabilities in terms of moderation are limited. Stefan
Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: > On 01/04/2016 09:52 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > > Josh, > > > > * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: > >> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an > >> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home > >> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people > >> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. > > > > Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time > > going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had > > edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers. > > > > Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently > > and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the > > homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in > > the Editor group to edit pages would be good. > > exactly - accounts that have recently edited the wiki have been granted > the "editor" priviledge. We are still discussing on how to improve the > situation but the mediawiki capabilities in terms of moderation are limited. Simple idea: everyone invited to a developer meeting should get editor privs automatically. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
Alvaro,
On Monday, January 4, 2016, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2016, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
> On 01/04/2016 09:52 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > Josh,
> >
> > * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote:
> >> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an
> >> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home
> >> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people
> >> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki.
> >
> > Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time
> > going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had
> > edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers.
> >
> > Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
> > and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
> > homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
> > the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>
> exactly - accounts that have recently edited the wiki have been granted
> the "editor" priviledge. We are still discussing on how to improve the
> situation but the mediawiki capabilities in terms of moderation are limited.
Simple idea: everyone invited to a developer meeting should get editor
privs automatically.
Works for me, but I don't think it's very easy to get that list of wiki usernames, is it?
Thanks!
Stephen
On 01/04/2016 09:58 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >> On 01/04/2016 09:52 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: >>> Josh, >>> >>> * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: >>>> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an >>>> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home >>>> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people >>>> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. >>> >>> Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time >>> going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had >>> edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers. >>> >>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently >>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the >>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in >>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good. >> >> exactly - accounts that have recently edited the wiki have been granted >> the "editor" priviledge. We are still discussing on how to improve the >> situation but the mediawiki capabilities in terms of moderation are limited. > > Simple idea: everyone invited to a developer meeting should get editor > privs automatically. yeah - but that is not nearly enough, the wiki really is for the wider community and we need to find a more suitable approach... Stefan
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc> wrote: > yeah - but that is not nearly enough, the wiki really is for the wider > community and we need to find a more suitable approach... Ah, this explains why I couldn't upload my talks just now. A slight improvement would be to include anyone who has ever registered or submitted for any of the conferences. Presumably spammers aren't going to pay actual money or submit an actual talk. If you have emails then you could allow anyone who has posted to any mailing list for an extended period of time on the assumption that repeat spammers on the lists get caught out fairly quickly. I'm not sure if email is there though. -- greg
Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu> writes:
> If you have emails then you could allow anyone who has posted to any
> mailing list for an extended period of time on the assumption that
> repeat spammers on the lists get caught out fairly quickly. I'm not
> sure if email is there though.
The info for a community account does include an email address, but
I don't know if we verify the address actually goes to the person signing
up. If we do, I think this approach might work ... at least for people
who give the same address they post to the lists as.
regards, tom lane
On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Josh,
>
> * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote:
>> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an
>> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home
>> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people
>> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki.
>
> Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time
> going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had
> edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers.
>
> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
And information on how to get this done?
In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
I promise not to spam :)
Regards
Ian Barwick
-- Ian Barwick http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, RemoteDBA, Training &
Services
Ian Barwick wrote:
> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
> > and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
> > homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
> > the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>
> And information on how to get this done?
No idea.
> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
> I promise not to spam :)
Done.
--
Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
Greg Stark wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner > <stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc> wrote: > > yeah - but that is not nearly enough, the wiki really is for the wider > > community and we need to find a more suitable approach... > > Ah, this explains why I couldn't upload my talks just now. I upped your privs -- you should be able to edit now. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
On 16/01/05 10:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Ian Barwick wrote:
>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>
>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>
>> And information on how to get this done?
>
> No idea.
I mean add a note along the lines of "Please do abc/contact xyz to
be granted membership", as I suspect not everyone might be on this list.
>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>> I promise not to spam :)
>
> Done.
Thanks!
Regards
Ian Barwick
-- Ian Barwick http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, RemoteDBA, Training &
Services
Ian Barwick wrote: > On 16/01/05 10:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > Ian Barwick wrote: > >> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > >>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently > >>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the > >>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in > >>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good. > >> > >> And information on how to get this done? > > > > No idea. > > I mean add a note along the lines of "Please do abc/contact xyz to > be granted membership", as I suspect not everyone might be on this list. Oh, okay. No idea there .. I assume that text is part of some static file, not sure if that's editable from the web interface. -- Álvaro Herrera http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Greg Stark <stark@mit.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner > <stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc> wrote: >> yeah - but that is not nearly enough, the wiki really is for the wider >> community and we need to find a more suitable approach... > > > Ah, this explains why I couldn't upload my talks just now. > > A slight improvement would be to include anyone who has ever > registered or submitted for any of the conferences. Presumably > spammers aren't going to pay actual money or submit an actual talk. > > If you have emails then you could allow anyone who has posted to any > mailing list for an extended period of time on the assumption that > repeat spammers on the lists get caught out fairly quickly. I'm not > sure if email is there though. A fine idea, but right now that would require a PFY to trawl through the conference attendees and mj2 users to find those people, figure out what their usernames are and then authorise them in the horrendous mediawiki UI. Scripting it is feasible, but certainly not simple. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On 01/04/2016 10:06 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: > On 01/04/2016 09:58 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: >>> On 01/04/2016 09:52 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: >>>> Josh, >>>> >>>> * Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote: >>>>> Apparently all wiki accounts have been set to read-only mode as an >>>>> antispam measure. We should probably post a notice on the wiki home >>>>> page, and maybe on pgsql-general/announce about this, so that people >>>>> aren't surprised when they can't edit the wiki. >>>> >>>> Not all of them. Dave and Joe (as I recall) spent quite a bit of time >>>> going through and setting up the right permissions for everyone who had >>>> edited the wiki recently who weren't identified as spammers. >>>> >>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently >>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the >>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in >>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good. >>> >>> exactly - accounts that have recently edited the wiki have been granted >>> the "editor" priviledge. We are still discussing on how to improve the >>> situation but the mediawiki capabilities in terms of moderation are limited. >> >> Simple idea: everyone invited to a developer meeting should get editor >> privs automatically. > > yeah - but that is not nearly enough, the wiki really is for the wider > community and we need to find a more suitable approach... I have now added a big boilerplate warning to the entire wiki on the issue - it is certainly not the "best" solution but it at least should give people a hint on where to ask... Stefan
* Stefan Kaltenbrunner (stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc) wrote: > I have now added a big boilerplate warning to the entire wiki on the > issue - it is certainly not the "best" solution but it at least should > give people a hint on where to ask... And I've cleaned it up quite a bit, made it less obnoxious while still being there, and made it a link to a new page which provides the detail. Thanks! Stephen
On 05/01/2016 02:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Ian Barwick wrote:
>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>
>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>
>> And information on how to get this done?
>
> No idea.
>
>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>> I promise not to spam :)
>
> Done.
>
Same here, if someone could re-enable my account ("rjuju") :)
Thanks in advance!
--
Julien Rouhaud
http://dalibo.com - http://dalibo.org
On 01/05/2016 11:47 PM, Julien Rouhaud wrote:
> On 05/01/2016 02:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Ian Barwick wrote:
>>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>>
>>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
>>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
>>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>>
>>> And information on how to get this done?
>>
>> No idea.
>>
>>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>>> I promise not to spam :)
>>
>> Done.
>>
>
> Same here, if someone could re-enable my account ("rjuju") :)
done
Stefan
On 05/01/2016 23:57, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
> On 01/05/2016 11:47 PM, Julien Rouhaud wrote:
>> On 05/01/2016 02:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>>> Ian Barwick wrote:
>>>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it recently
>>>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership in
>>>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>>>
>>>> And information on how to get this done?
>>>
>>> No idea.
>>>
>>>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>>>> I promise not to spam :)
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>
>> Same here, if someone could re-enable my account ("rjuju") :)
>
>
> done
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
Thanks!
--
Julien Rouhaud
http://dalibo.com - http://dalibo.org
Le 05.01.2016 23:47, Julien Rouhaud a écrit :
> On 05/01/2016 02:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Ian Barwick wrote:
>>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>>
>>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it
>>>> recently
>>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted membership
>>>> in
>>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>>
>>> And information on how to get this done?
>>
>> No idea.
>>
>>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>>> I promise not to spam :)
>>
>> Done.
>>
>
> Same here, if someone could re-enable my account ("rjuju") :)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
Can I get editor rights too ? My account id is 'daamien', my last wiki
edit was in december...
Thanks in advance
--
Damien Clochard
On 01/14/2016 10:19 PM, Damien Clochard wrote:
> Le 05.01.2016 23:47, Julien Rouhaud a écrit :
>> On 05/01/2016 02:40, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>>> Ian Barwick wrote:
>>>> On 16/01/05 5:52, Stephen Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Thus, the change should only impact those who haven't edited it
>>>>> recently
>>>>> and who are now trying to. I agree that adding something to the
>>>>> homepage letting people know that they need to be granted
>>>>> membership in
>>>>> the Editor group to edit pages would be good.
>>>>
>>>> And information on how to get this done?
>>>
>>> No idea.
>>>
>>>> In the meantime could someone re-enable my account ("Barwick")?
>>>> I promise not to spam :)
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>
>> Same here, if someone could re-enable my account ("rjuju") :)
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>
> Can I get editor rights too ? My account id is 'daamien', my last wiki
> edit was in december...
>
> Thanks in advance
done
Stefan
>> Can I get editor rights too ? My account id is 'daamien', my last wiki >> edit was in december... >> >> Thanks in advance > > done > Great! And many thanks to everyone involved in this spam battle. -- -- Damien Clochard