Thread: Re: hang on (was: New Book: PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets)

Re: hang on (was: New Book: PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets)

From
Vince Vielhaber
Date:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We had offered communication to Great Bridge without much reply. Our
> intention was to include the downloadable version of the software and
> possibly some other things if Great Bridge agrees.

I guess that's what's confusing.  Why does GB have to agree to let you
distribute software that's from the PostgreSQL Global Development Group?

Vince.



>
> Joshua Drake
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Ned Lilly wrote:
>
> > This is news to me, and does not represent any action taken by Great
> > Bridge.  We'll be talking with Joshua Drake directly, then report back
> > to the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Joshua Drake wrote:
> > >
> > >> Open Docs Publishing has announced today that they plan to release their
> > >> sixth book entitled "Learning PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets" by
> > >> the first week of June. This title will include PostgreSQL Great Bridge
> > >> version 7.1 (The Linux World Editors winner for Best Database in 2000).
> > >
> > >
> > > WTFI "PostgreSQL Great Bridge version 7.1" ?????   Is GB putting out
> > > their own releases now?   Ned?  Bruce?
> > >
> > > Vince.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Re: hang on (was: New Book: PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets)

From
The Hermit Hacker
Date:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > We had offered communication to Great Bridge without much reply. Our
> > intention was to include the downloadable version of the software and
> > possibly some other things if Great Bridge agrees.
>
> I guess that's what's confusing.  Why does GB have to agree to let you
> distribute software that's from the PostgreSQL Global Development Group?

Definitely a very very good point ... Joshua, you are free to include
*any* version of PgSQL with your book ... nobody needs to get permission
from anyone to do so, never have needed, never will need ... its open
source software ...

 > > Vince.
>
>
>
> >
> > Joshua Drake
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Ned Lilly wrote:
> >
> > > This is news to me, and does not represent any action taken by Great
> > > Bridge.  We'll be talking with Joshua Drake directly, then report back
> > > to the list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Joshua Drake wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Open Docs Publishing has announced today that they plan to release their
> > > >> sixth book entitled "Learning PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets" by
> > > >> the first week of June. This title will include PostgreSQL Great Bridge
> > > >> version 7.1 (The Linux World Editors winner for Best Database in 2000).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WTFI "PostgreSQL Great Bridge version 7.1" ?????   Is GB putting out
> > > > their own releases now?   Ned?  Bruce?
> > > >
> > > > Vince.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Re: hang on (was: New Book: PostgreSQL: The ElephantNever Forgets)

From
Ned Lilly
Date:
Yes, yes, of course.  Let's all take a deep breath.  This was just miscommunication
on Joshua's part.  His company is publishing a Postgres book, which we should all be
very happy about.

To be clear:  He doesn't need anyone's permission to distribute Postgres, ours or
anyone else's.  He knows that - he's been using the software since Postgres95.  And
we know it too - Great Bridge has been 100% open source from the get-go, and always
will be.  I daresay just about everyone on this list knows it.

Joshua should have talked with us before bandying about our name in a press release
(there were factual errors in it, as well as the mis-use of our brand).  We've talked
with him, he's apologized, and we're convinced it was just an honest mistake.

Let's put this one to bed, please.  Non-issue.

Thanks,
Ned


The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > We had offered communication to Great Bridge without much reply. Our
> > > intention was to include the downloadable version of the software and
> > > possibly some other things if Great Bridge agrees.
> >
> > I guess that's what's confusing.  Why does GB have to agree to let you
> > distribute software that's from the PostgreSQL Global Development Group?
>
> Definitely a very very good point ... Joshua, you are free to include
> *any* version of PgSQL with your book ... nobody needs to get permission
> from anyone to do so, never have needed, never will need ... its open
> source software ...
>
>  > > Vince.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Joshua Drake
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Ned Lilly wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is news to me, and does not represent any action taken by Great
> > > > Bridge.  We'll be talking with Joshua Drake directly, then report back
> > > > to the list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Joshua Drake wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Open Docs Publishing has announced today that they plan to release their
> > > > >> sixth book entitled "Learning PostgreSQL: The Elephant Never Forgets" by
> > > > >> the first week of June. This title will include PostgreSQL Great Bridge
> > > > >> version 7.1 (The Linux World Editors winner for Best Database in 2000).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WTFI "PostgreSQL Great Bridge version 7.1" ?????   Is GB putting out
> > > > > their own releases now?   Ned?  Bruce?
> > > > >
> > > > > Vince.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
> Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
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O.k. wait :) on the Postgres Book

From
"Joshua D. Drake"
Date:
> >
> > I guess that's what's confusing.  Why does GB have to agree to let you
> > distribute software that's from the PostgreSQL Global Development Group?
>
> Definitely a very very good point ... Joshua, you are free to include
> *any* version of PgSQL with your book ... nobody needs to get permission
> from anyone to do so, never have needed, never will need ... its open
> source software ...

Hello,

I would like to note, before there is any miscommunication that GB was
only concerned with the way the name was presented. E.g;


PostgreSQL Great Bridge version 7.1


The only thing that have requested is that we be more clear about the
product by stating:

Great Bridge PostgreSQL version 7.1.

I believe they have a valid point in want to protect their name.

On the flip side, I hope that you guys find the book we are developing a
useful one.

J




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