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Since the .us list is now slowed down by being a moderated list, I want
to confirm before friday that the deletion of my(and whomever else's)
email address and then it being readded, did not ALSO result in my vote
being deleted. I just assume I don't need to vote again and want to
confirm.
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Subject: Re: [PgUS Members] PgUS member update, 10/27/08
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:29 -0400
From: Melanie <melanie@dunslane.net>
To: members@lists.postgresql.us
References: <20081027163652.06d9139c@jd-laptop>
Hey -
I had just been unsubscribed and now resubscribed. I assume the vote I
already cast was not "deleted" in the process of being unsubscribed?
members@lists.postgresql.us wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Let's hope I got this right. If I didn't I apologize.
>
> This is your PgUS Member Update 10/27, I will keep it brief. The most
> current pressing member issue to date is, Elections! That's right, we
> are currently holding elections for four additional board seats. That
> means you need to vote and the election ends in four days. Here is a
> list of your candidates with links to their platforms:
>
> Richard Broersma
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/richard_broersma
>
> Andrew Dunstan
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/andrew_dunstan
>
> Chander Ganesan
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/chander_ganesan
>
> Ned Lilly
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/ned_lilly
>
> Greg Sabino Mullane
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/greg_sabino_mullane
>
> Gavin Roy
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/gavin_roy
>
> Robert Treat
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/robert_treat
>
> If you haven't voted yet, now is the time. Voting may be done by
> logging into the PostgreSQL.us website and going to the following link:
>
> https://www.postgresql.us/elections/2008/semi-annual/vote
>
> General discussion can be had at the low traffic pgus-general list.
> Information on this can be found here:
>
> https://www.postgresql.us/mailinglists
>
> If you fancy blogs, we have one of those too:
>
> https://www.postgresql.us/blog
>
> I will try to keep the member updates to a reasonable minimum but we
> want to make sure we are communicating with our members in every
> possible way. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to
> email me directly.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>
>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Melanie <melanie@dunslane.net> wrote: > Since the .us list is now slowed down by being a moderated list, I want to > confirm before friday that the deletion of my(and whomever else's) email > address and then it being readded, did not ALSO result in my vote being > deleted. I just assume I don't need to vote again and want to confirm. I have you listed as having voted (and the number of votes recorded match the number of people who've voted, which is encouraging ;) ). ---Michael Brewer mbrewer@gmail.com
Melanie wrote: > Since the .us list is now slowed down by being a moderated list, I want > to confirm before friday that the deletion of my(and whomever else's) > email address and then it being readded, did not ALSO result in my vote > being deleted. I just assume I don't need to vote again and want to > confirm. Melanie, pgus-general is not a moderated list. The members@ list is. The members@ list is meant to be an announce list which is why it is moderated. No your vote would not nor has it been deleted. This was purely a mailing list administrative cleanup. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Melanie wrote: >> >> Since the .us list is now slowed down by being a moderated list, I want to >> confirm before friday that the deletion of my(and whomever else's) email >> address and then it being readded, did not ALSO result in my vote being >> deleted. I just assume I don't need to vote again and want to confirm. > > Melanie, > > pgus-general is not a moderated list. The members@ list is. The members@ > list is meant to be an announce list which is why it is moderated. Josh, Melanie was talking about the postgresql.us mailing list - which she indicated above. Perhaps you meant to name that list members-announce@postgresql.us? The impression you gave me by simply calling it 'members' is that this is a list designed to bring people together, which doesn't work very well when we can't talk to each other. -selena -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Thanks JD - I didn't realize that and so since the list I was aware of having signed up for was the .us one, I assumed it was the same. thanks for the clarification! :-) Selena Deckelmann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > >> Melanie wrote: >> >>> Since the .us list is now slowed down by being a moderated list, I want to >>> confirm before friday that the deletion of my(and whomever else's) email >>> address and then it being readded, did not ALSO result in my vote being >>> deleted. I just assume I don't need to vote again and want to confirm. >>> >> Melanie, >> >> pgus-general is not a moderated list. The members@ list is. The members@ >> list is meant to be an announce list which is why it is moderated. >> > > Josh, > > Melanie was talking about the postgresql.us mailing list - which she > indicated above. > > Perhaps you meant to name that list members-announce@postgresql.us? > > The impression you gave me by simply calling it 'members' is that this > is a list designed to bring people together, which doesn't work very > well when we can't talk to each other. > > -selena > > >
Selena Deckelmann wrote: >> pgus-general is not a moderated list. The members@ list is. The members@ >> list is meant to be an announce list which is why it is moderated. > > Josh, > > Melanie was talking about the postgresql.us mailing list - which she > indicated above. I was clarifying what is actually going on. There never was a lists.postgresql.us list for discussion. There is a .us list for discussion, it is pgus-general@postgresql.org and it has never been moderated. The ".us" list to which she is referring is members@. That list was designed to be an announcement list and is indeed moderated. Anyway, this thread really should be on pgus-general anyway. If there is any other discussion that needs to be had, let's move it over there so we are blasting the global advocacy community. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > Anyway, this thread really should be on pgus-general anyway. If there is any > other discussion that needs to be had, let's move it over there so we are > blasting the global advocacy community. +1. ;) ---Michael Brewer mbrewer@gmail.com
Joshua D. Drake escribió: > I was clarifying what is actually going on. There never was a > lists.postgresql.us list for discussion. There is a .us list for > discussion, it is pgus-general@postgresql.org and it has never been > moderated. > > The ".us" list to which she is referring is members@. That list was > designed to be an announcement list and is indeed moderated. I don't understand how this setup makes any sense at all. It is bound to be confusing. Why don't you guys have both lists under postgresql.us? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake escribió: > >> I was clarifying what is actually going on. There never was a >> lists.postgresql.us list for discussion. There is a .us list for >> discussion, it is pgus-general@postgresql.org and it has never been >> moderated. >> >> The ".us" list to which she is referring is members@. That list was >> designed to be an announcement list and is indeed moderated. > > I don't understand how this setup makes any sense at all. It is bound > to be confusing. Why don't you guys have both lists under > postgresql.us? +1 -selena -- Selena Deckelmann PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Selena Deckelmann wrote: >>> The ".us" list to which she is referring is members@. That list was >>> designed to be an announcement list and is indeed moderated. >> I don't understand how this setup makes any sense at all. It is bound >> to be confusing. Why don't you guys have both lists under >> postgresql.us? > > +1 Make sure you let the others know they will be moving to. Here is a brief list. persianpug Persian PostgreSQL Community pgeu-general European PostgreSQL Community pgsql-de-allgemein German PostgreSQL Community pgsql-es-ayuda Spanish PostgreSQL Community pgsql-fr-generale French PostgreSQL Community pgsql-in-general Indian PostgreSQL Community pgsql-it-generale Italian Developer Community General Discussions pgsql-nl-algemeen Dutch PostgreSQL Community pgsql-ru-general Russian PostgreSQL Community pgsql-tr-genel Turkish PostgreSQL Community pgus-general US PostgreSQL Community Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake
Joshua D. Drake escribió: > Make sure you let the others know they will be moving to. Here is a > brief list. > > persianpug Persian PostgreSQL Community > pgeu-general European PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-de-allgemein German PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-es-ayuda Spanish PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-fr-generale French PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-in-general Indian PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-it-generale Italian Developer Community General Discussions > pgsql-nl-algemeen Dutch PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-ru-general Russian PostgreSQL Community > pgsql-tr-genel Turkish PostgreSQL Community > pgus-general US PostgreSQL Community You are confusing things. All those lists you mention, with the exception of pgeu-general and pgus-general, are language-specific lists. They are not lists that "belong" to an organization or country; they do not discuss an organization's matters. They are a sort of "pgsql-general" except they speak a different language. Since there are already postgresql.eu and postgresql.us domains with their own services and mailing list servers, it makes perfect sense to move the lists to those domains. The language-specific lists have none of that. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Since there are already postgresql.eu and postgresql.us domains with > their own services and mailing list servers, it makes perfect sense to > move the lists to those domains. The language-specific lists have none > of that. postgresql.eu does not have it's own mailing list server, and we have no intention of setting one up unless we're kicked out of the global one. We choose to put our stuff there so we don't have to maintain a separate installation. //Magnus
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 12:19:19 Magnus Hagander wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > Since there are already postgresql.eu and postgresql.us domains with > > their own services and mailing list servers, it makes perfect sense to > > move the lists to those domains. The language-specific lists have none > > of that. > > postgresql.eu does not have it's own mailing list server, and we have no > intention of setting one up unless we're kicked out of the global one. > We choose to put our stuff there so we don't have to maintain a separate > installation. > +1 for kicking you guys off. I've always thought this arrangement would lead to confusion, and I doubt this will be the only time. The distinctions Alvaro laid out are clear, and I think we should go with them. -- Robert Treat Conjecture: http://www.xzilla.net Consulting: http://www.omniti.com
On 29 okt 2008, at 04.55, Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 12:19:19 Magnus Hagander wrote: >> Alvaro Herrera wrote: >>> Since there are already postgresql.eu and postgresql.us domains with >>> their own services and mailing list servers, it makes perfect >>> sense to >>> move the lists to those domains. The language-specific lists have >>> none >>> of that. >> >> postgresql.eu does not have it's own mailing list server, and we >> have no >> intention of setting one up unless we're kicked out of the global >> one. >> We choose to put our stuff there so we don't have to maintain a >> separate >> installation. >> > > +1 for kicking you guys off. I've always thought this arrangement > would lead > to confusion, and I doubt this will be the only time. The > distinctions Alvaro > laid out are clear, and I think we should go with them. > You did catch the part that while they may be clear, they were based on incorrect facts, right? (you are of course entitled to suggest the kicking out anyway, just know what it's based on) /Magnus
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > +1 for kicking you guys off. I've always thought this arrangement would lead > to confusion, and I doubt this will be the only time. The distinctions Alvaro > laid out are clear, and I think we should go with them. How exactly is it confusing? What's more confusing is that we have some 'regional' groups that claim to be language specific (eg. French) and some that are geographically based (eg. Italy). We use a different naming convention for the PG.EU and PG.US lists for exactly that reason. In any case, the extent to which you'd be 'kicking anyone off' would simply be to change the domain name - all the services for both domains are managed by the same team on the same infrastructure anyway. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
I read Roberts email as a bit of a sarcastic joke, but, hey, maybe I'm being a Pollyanna, you guys know each other better. For what it's worth, I think it was me that was confused as to what list became moderated. I got confused by what was going on with the mailing list on .us and thought I would not be able to send a "non-delayed" email to that list for a question. I was wrong. I apologize to you folks for my confusion leading to this conversation. Dave Page wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Robert Treat > <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > >> +1 for kicking you guys off. I've always thought this arrangement would lead >> to confusion, and I doubt this will be the only time. The distinctions Alvaro >> laid out are clear, and I think we should go with them. >> > > How exactly is it confusing? What's more confusing is that we have > some 'regional' groups that claim to be language specific (eg. French) > and some that are geographically based (eg. Italy). We use a different > naming convention for the PG.EU and PG.US lists for exactly that > reason. > > In any case, the extent to which you'd be 'kicking anyone off' would > simply be to change the domain name - all the services for both > domains are managed by the same team on the same infrastructure > anyway. > > >
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Melanie <melanie@dunslane.net> wrote: > I read Roberts email as a bit of a sarcastic joke, but, hey, maybe I'm being > a Pollyanna, you guys know each other better. Yeah, that crossed my mind - but there was no smiley, and the text seemed a little to comprehensive for a simple joke. Plus Robert does seem to have an evil streak which surfaces from time to time :-p -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com