Thread: Website

Website

From

Dave Page

Date:

12 January 2006, 22:27:43

Hi,

An essentially complete new website is online at
http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much the current
design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to match the current
pgAdmin splash screen.

The content has been rewritten to imporve the phrasing, and each of the long
single pages has been broken up into multiple smaller pages. I have also
added a documentation section in which you can browse the SVN tip and 1.4
docs.

Before I make it live, and freeze the strings for translation;

- Does anyone see any technical issues?
- Does anyone see any typos?
- Does anyone have a better design, or tweaks for the work I've done?

Regards, Dave.

Re: Website

From

"Hiroshi Saito"

Date:

12 January 2006, 23:22:16

Hi Dave.

> Hi,
>
> An essentially complete new website is online at
> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much the current
> design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to match the current
> pgAdmin splash screen.

It looks very wonderfully.:-)

>
> The content has been rewritten to imporve the phrasing, and each of the long
> single pages has been broken up into multiple smaller pages. I have also
> added a documentation section in which you can browse the SVN tip and 1.4
> docs.
>
> Before I make it live, and freeze the strings for translation;
>
> - Does anyone see any technical issues?
> - Does anyone see any typos?
> - Does anyone have a better design, or tweaks for the work I've done?

http://cre-ent.skcapi.co.jp/~saito/pgadmin3/pgadmin3_freebsd.png
Please change it.
and Although it is somewhat old, how is Solaris?
http://cre-ent.skcapi.co.jp/~saito/pgadmin3/Solaris9_Sparc64/Solaris07.png
Solaris10 will appear soon satisfactory with a new version.

Regards,
Hiroshi Saito

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

13 January 2006, 08:04:58


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hiroshi Saito [mailto:saito@inetrt.skcapi.co.jp]
> Sent: 13 January 2006 00:22
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
> Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website
>
> Hi Dave.
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > An essentially complete new website is online at
> > http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much
> the current
> > design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to
> match the current
> > pgAdmin splash screen.
>
> It looks very wonderfully.:-)

Thanks :-) You won't be saying that when you see the size of
pgadmin_website.pot !!

> > The content has been rewritten to imporve the phrasing, and
> each of the long
> > single pages has been broken up into multiple smaller
> pages. I have also
> > added a documentation section in which you can browse the
> SVN tip and 1.4
> > docs.
> >
> > Before I make it live, and freeze the strings for translation;
> >
> > - Does anyone see any technical issues?
> > - Does anyone see any typos?
> > - Does anyone have a better design, or tweaks for the work
> I've done?
>
> http://cre-ent.skcapi.co.jp/~saito/pgadmin3/pgadmin3_freebsd.png
> Please change it.
> and Although it is somewhat old, how is Solaris?
> http://cre-ent.skcapi.co.jp/~saito/pgadmin3/Solaris9_Sparc64/S
> olaris07.png
> Solaris10 will appear soon satisfactory with a new version.

Thanks, updated. I also updated the Windows one.

Regards, Dave

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

13 January 2006, 09:53:30

From: Bastiaan Wakkie [mailto:bastiaan@wakkie.org]
Sent: 13 January 2006 09:38
To: Dave Page
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

Hi Dave,

I walked through the website and have some tips for you:

Thanks :-)

If you enter the website yu dont seeanywhere the latest stable version I would say next to the logo would be the best place.

OK. I'm not sure that the logo is the best place, but I agree with adding some text. I'll certainly add something to the front page.

I would set the google search om your own website first.

That's not allowed by the Google T&Cs unfortunately... though, I wonder if I can do it with a little Javascript (you're not allowed to modify the Google generated code at all, but it might not disallow Javascript tweaking of form values).

Design technical I would remove the pgasectionheadermenu and insted change the background colour in the pgamainmenu.. That will give you 1) more space and 2) it will not give you on every page the same text under each other and 3) the Navigation structure is much more clearer.

Hmm, not sure I like that idea - I think the top menu should always be the main menu and shouldn't change. In addition, some sub menus won't fit across the width without wrapping - in particular the Download one.

Also in the pgasectionmenu I would like to see what I selected. A change on the bg colour.

OK, I'll look at that.

In the document :› Development 1.5 and › Release 1.4 the pgsectionmenu suddently disappears. Tht is not a nice supprice. If you want to go to the other document you need to do one click to much

There's a couple of reasons for that:

1) Many of the docs contain large images. These cannot be shrunk like the snapshots (at least without a *lot* of work) because they are dynamically extracted from the SVN repo, thus they will often result in horizontal scrolling being required.

2) There is no way to generate a section menu other than that on the introduction page. As people are unlikely to hop between versions much, it seems more sensible to make use of the space to avoid the horizontal scrollbar.

The theory is much the same as on the www.postgresql.org/docs, except that on there there are no screen shots so 1) doesn't really apply.

In Download the H1 in the content is suddently called Download and not Introduction like the other pages.

Well spotted. Fixed.

The screenshots are to small. Why not make then a littlebit bigger so you can at least read the text of the screenshots (there is space enough)

Click the screenshots to see a full sized version. They have been shrunk to avoid the scrolling problem. I've added a note to that effect to the screenshots introduction.

In the FAQ it would be nice to have a link back to the top.

The FAQ is extracted on the fly from SVN, so from a website point of view that's not my problem :-)

In the known issues don't you need to add a version nr somewhere?

The same applies to that in some respects, though in reality the bugs list applies to the development code. I've noted that on the page.

well that as it :-)

Thanks for the feedback :-)

Regards, Dave.

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

13 January 2006, 10:32:03

From: pgadmin-hackers-owner@postgresql.org [mailto:pgadmin-hackers-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Dave Page
Sent: 13 January 2006 10:53
To: Bastiaan Wakkie
Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

That's not allowed by the Google T&Cs unfortunately... though, I wonder if I can do it with a little Javascript (you're not allowed to modify the Google generated code at all, but it might not disallow Javascript tweaking of form values).

Ah-ha - it seems there is a way to get the Google code generator to do this - you select the sub domain in the sample output and it makes it the default option in the generated code. If you subsequently press the update code button it will reset it though. Oh, and Google don't seem to have documented this!

So, the search is there and all without hacking any Google code, without any Javascript, and without breaking any T&Cs :-)

Regards, Dave.

Re: Website

From

Bastiaan Wakkie

Date:

13 January 2006, 12:02:03

Hi dave,

Some replies...

Cheers,
Bastiaan

If you enter the website yu dont seeanywhere the latest stable version I would say next to the logo would be the best place.

OK. I'm not sure that the logo is the best place, but I agree with adding some text. I'll certainly add something to the front page.

I think that it would be best that youkeep it there all the time (perhaps even with a link behind to directly download it)

I would set the google search om your own website first.

That's not allowed by the Google T&Cs unfortunately... though, I wonder if I can do it with a little Javascript (you're not allowed to modify the Google generated code at all, but it might not disallow Javascript tweaking of form values).

That will be a very easy thing to do ;-)

Design technical I would remove the pgasectionheadermenu and insted change the background colour in the pgamainmenu.. That will give you 1) more space and 2) it will not give you on every page the same text under each other and 3) the Navigation structure is much more clearer.

Hmm, not sure I like that idea - I think the top menu should always be the main menu and shouldn't change.

I agree ith you. The menu items will not change only the background colour so that you know in what part you are. Just change the bg from the selected menu item into light blue.

In addition, some sub menus won't fit across the width without wrapping - in particular the Download one.

I understand but i am only talking about the header itself.. not the sub menu as a whole.

Also in the pgasectionmenu I would like to see what I selected. A change on the bg colour.

OK, I'll look at that.

Come to think of it: Why not give the submenu a light bleu (same as menu selected bg) background and give only the selecten submenu the white bg? This way you will very clearly see where you are.

How about a navigation like www.planet.nl where you hover over the menu and than you 'mouse' to the submenu you are looking for... This is the quickest way to get to your content...
In that case I would still stick to this light blue for submenu. Hope you understand what i mean.

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

13 January 2006, 13:38:51

From: Bastiaan Wakkie [mailto:bastiaan@wakkie.org]
Sent: 13 January 2006 13:02
To: Dave Page
Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

Hi dave,

Some replies...

Cheers,
Bastiaan

If you enter the website yu dont seeanywhere the latest stable version I would say next to the logo would be the best place.

OK. I'm not sure that the logo is the best place, but I agree with adding some text. I'll certainly add something to the front page.

I think that it would be best that youkeep it there all the time (perhaps even with a link behind to directly download it)

I've added a bar at the bottom of the page with a link to the download page. A direct link won't really work as there are so many different builds etc.

I would set the google search om your own website first.

That's not allowed by the Google T&Cs unfortunately... though, I wonder if I can do it with a little Javascript (you're not allowed to modify the Google generated code at all, but it might not disallow Javascript tweaking of form values).
That will be a very easy thing to do ;-)

I found the workaround in the Google code generator. Done and applied :-)

Design technical I would remove the pgasectionheadermenu and insted change the background colour in the pgamainmenu.. That will give you 1) more space and 2) it will not give you on every page the same text under each other and 3) the Navigation structure is much more clearer.

Hmm, not sure I like that idea - I think the top menu should always be the main menu and shouldn't change.
I agree ith you. The menu items will not change only the background colour so that you know in what part you are. Just change the bg from the selected menu item into light blue.

In addition, some sub menus won't fit across the width without wrapping - in particular the Download one.
I understand but i am only talking about the header itself.. not the sub menu as a whole.

Ahh, I see what you mean now. How does it look now?

Regards, Dave.

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

13 January 2006, 14:35:35

From: Bastiaan Wakkie [mailto:bastiaan@wakkie.org]
Sent: 13 January 2006 15:21
To: Dave Page
Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

I created a screenshot with comments in it about the colours. My view sort of speak ;-)

Well I quite like that design, however on polling the office here I got a 2:1 majority in favour of mine, so unless the list speaks to the contrary I'll leave it as it is.

Thanks for the input :-)

Regards, Dave

Re: Website

From

Miha Radej

Date:

13 January 2006, 16:41:41

hi!

just a few quickies:

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/
"we recommand installing binary packages": recommand -> recommand
"additional language translations and admin packas": packas -> packs

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/snapshots.php
"they are 'works in progress'": missing period at the end of the sentence

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/source.php
"omit all \'Universal" and "DLL" builds": \' should probably be ", at
\'Universal"?
at mac osx build instructions: "../configure --with-mac" should probably
begin with only 1 dot instead of 2, "./configure --with-mac"

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/index.php
"may be used on Linux, FreeBSD Solaris, Mac OSX": missing comma after
freebsd
"No external drivers are to communicate with the database server.": no
external drivers are needed?

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/features.php
"Powerful query tool with color syntax highlight": i'm really not sure
about this one, but shouldn't this end with "highlighting"?

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/contribute.php
"for the benefit of out worldwide": out -> our

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/advocacy/
"and bug fixes and helping improve pgAdmin": helping -> help
"some of these companies have": some -> Some (start of sentence)

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/advocacy/information.php
"just click on your country flag": aren't the country flags gone? :)
"when pgAdmin new versions are released": perhaps "when new versions of
pgAdmin are released"

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/
"get involved in the project you you wish": i really have no idea what
to suggest :) maybe "as you wish", "if you wish"?

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/svn.php
"please source the Source code build instructions": source -> check ||
view || see

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/changelog.php
"changes to pgAdmin3, as present in svn": is this text extracted from
svn already? if not, according to the advocacy page pgAdmin3 should
probably be "pgAdmin III" and svn written in uppercase, as is elsewhere
on the site.

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/ui.php
"with colour syntax highlight": same question as above. also, i've
noticed that in the above note, on the features page, the word "color"
is used whereas here it is "colour". it is a sort of a mix between us
and british english :) words like "color/colour", "dialog/dialogue",
"realize/realise", "analyze/analyse", "favorite/favourite" are some
potential problem makers that come to mind atm.

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/data.php
"EXPLAIN and/or ANALYSE": postgresql uses "ANALYZE", see above note
"You will soon realise that": see above note re us/british english

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/mb_i18n.php
"other multi-byte charactersets": charactersets -> character sets?
"and partially translated into more than 25 more": kill a more :)

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/serverstatus.php
"along with summaries of crrent locks": crrent -> current

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/support/
"help out whereever possible": whereever ... dictionary.com suggests
"wherever" or "where ever"

http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/translation/howto.php
"Browser to the translation status page": Browser -> Browse
"The language template serves as empty template": as an empty... ?
"and set the harset": harset -> charset
"important step because somes strings": somes -> some
"HTML files used by the Guru to notify users": Guru -> Guru Hints? or is
this referring to the mr.-bearded-guru-guy who offers the hints? in this
case, what is his name? does he have one or is he just a guru? or is he
The Guru? :)

done. but this was just a quick read-through.

also, a feature request if i may :) i really like the "display: block"
property in the current left-hand menu. can this please be used in the
new layout as well?

regards,
M

--
"... the small primitive tribes joined up and became huge, powerful
primitive tribes with more sophisticated weapons."
   -- Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

Dave Page wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An essentially complete new website is online at
> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much the current
> design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to match the current
> pgAdmin splash screen.
>
> The content has been rewritten to imporve the phrasing, and each of the long
> single pages has been broken up into multiple smaller pages. I have also
> added a documentation section in which you can browse the SVN tip and 1.4
> docs.
>
> Before I make it live, and freeze the strings for translation;
>
> - Does anyone see any technical issues?
> - Does anyone see any typos?
> - Does anyone have a better design, or tweaks for the work I've done?

Re: Website

From

Dave Page

Date:

13 January 2006, 21:20:23



On 13/1/06 17:41, "Miha Radej" <miha.radej@siix.com> wrote:

> hi!
>
> just a few quickies:
>
> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/
> "we recommand installing binary packages": recommand -> recommand
> "additional language translations and admin packas": packas -> packs

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/snapshots.php
> "they are 'works in progress'": missing period at the end of the sentence

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/download/source.php
> "omit all \'Universal" and "DLL" builds": \' should probably be ", at
> \'Universal"?

Fixed.

> at mac osx build instructions: "../configure --with-mac" should probably
> begin with only 1 dot instead of 2, "./configure --with-mac"

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/index.php
> "may be used on Linux, FreeBSD Solaris, Mac OSX": missing comma after
> freebsd
> "No external drivers are to communicate with the database server.": no
> external drivers are needed?

Changed to "No additional drivers are required to communicate with the
database server."

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/features.php
> "Powerful query tool with color syntax highlight": i'm really not sure
> about this one, but shouldn't this end with "highlighting"?

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/contribute.php
> "for the benefit of out worldwide": out -> our

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/advocacy/
> "and bug fixes and helping improve pgAdmin": helping -> help
> "some of these companies have": some -> Some (start of sentence)

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/advocacy/information.php
> "just click on your country flag": aren't the country flags gone? :)
> "when pgAdmin new versions are released": perhaps "when new versions of
> pgAdmin are released"

Ah yes - there was no room for any more, so I changed to a select list
before it became a problem! Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/
> "get involved in the project you you wish": i really have no idea what
> to suggest :) maybe "as you wish", "if you wish"?

"if you wish". Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/svn.php
> "please source the Source code build instructions": source -> check ||
> view || see

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/development/changelog.php
> "changes to pgAdmin3, as present in svn": is this text extracted from
> svn already? if not, according to the advocacy page pgAdmin3 should
> probably be "pgAdmin III" and svn written in uppercase, as is elsewhere
> on the site.

Yeah, that's from the SVN bit. I'll update the source and resync the test
sites source trees (that'll be automatic when it's live).

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/ui.php
> "with colour syntax highlight": same question as above. also, i've
> noticed that in the above note, on the features page, the word "color"
> is used whereas here it is "colour". it is a sort of a mix between us
> and british english :) words like "color/colour", "dialog/dialogue",
> "realize/realise", "analyze/analyse", "favorite/favourite" are some
> potential problem makers that come to mind atm.

Fixed, and I'm in the process of making sure speelings are consistent :)

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/data.php
> "EXPLAIN and/or ANALYSE": postgresql uses "ANALYZE", see above note
> "You will soon realise that": see above note re us/british english

Fixed (the former - I'm English so the latter is already right!)

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/mb_i18n.php
> "other multi-byte charactersets": charactersets -> character sets?
> "and partially translated into more than 25 more": kill a more :)

Changed to: "another 25 more"

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/screenshots/serverstatus.php
> "along with summaries of crrent locks": crrent -> current

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/support/
> "help out whereever possible": whereever ... dictionary.com suggests
> "wherever" or "where ever"

Fixed.

> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/translation/howto.php
> "Browser to the translation status page": Browser -> Browse

Fixed.

> "The language template serves as empty template": as an empty... ?

Changed to: "the pgadmin3.pot file serves as an empty template"

> "and set the harset": harset -> charset

Fixed.

> "important step because somes strings": somes -> some

Fixed.

> "HTML files used by the Guru to notify users": Guru -> Guru Hints? or is
> this referring to the mr.-bearded-guru-guy who offers the hints? in this
> case, what is his name? does he have one or is he just a guru? or is he
> The Guru? :)

Mr.-bearded-guru-guy, who shall be hereafter known as Arthur. A beer
sometime for whoever guesses where that comes from!

> done. but this was just a quick read-through.

Seems pretty through to me, thanks heaps :-)

> also, a feature request if i may :) i really like the "display: block"
> property in the current left-hand menu. can this please be used in the
> new layout as well?

Sorry, I gon't get what you mean. Block puts a break between elements so
they flow one below the other, which is already the case for the side menu.

Do you mean the background colour change on a:hover?

Regards, Dave.

Re: Website

From

Miha Radej

Date:

13 January 2006, 22:11:54

hi!

Dave Page wrote:
> Seems pretty through to me, thanks heaps :-)

no problem.

>> also, a feature request if i may :) i really like the "display: block"
>> property in the current left-hand menu. can this please be used in the
>> new layout as well?
>
> Sorry, I gon't get what you mean. Block puts a break between elements so
> they flow one below the other, which is already the case for the side menu.
>
> Do you mean the background colour change on a:hover?

what i meant and failed to say was that i prefer how the current menu
works, ie an entire block works as a link, not only when you hover over
the text. please see http://mcajvar.prkoritu.net/pgadmin/menu.html to
better see what i mean. i stole the styles and just modified them a little.

regards.
Miha

--
"... the small primitive tribes joined up and became huge, powerful
primitive tribes with more sophisticated weapons."
   -- Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

Re: Website

From

Bastiaan Wakkie

Date:

14 January 2006, 09:11:31

> Sorry, I gon't get what you mean. Block puts a break between elements so
> they flow one below the other, which is already the case for the side menu.
> 
> Do you mean the background colour change on a:hover?

what i meant and failed to say was that i prefer how the current menu 
works, ie an entire block works as a link, not only when you hover over 
the text. please see http://mcajvar.prkoritu.net/pgadmin/menu.html to 
better see what i mean. i stole the styles and just modified them a little.

I agree here.

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

14 January 2006, 18:22:22

-----Original Message-----
From: Miha Radej [mailto:miha.radej@siix.com]
Sent: Fri 1/13/2006 11:11 PM
To: Dave Page
Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

> what i meant and failed to say was that i prefer how the current menu
> works, ie an entire block works as a link, not only when you hover over
> the text. please see http://mcajvar.prkoritu.net/pgadmin/menu.html to
> better see what i mean. i stole the styles and just modified them a little.

Dunno what browser you're using, but in my firefox, safari and IE6's, only the text is linked in any case. The new site
doesn'thave the highlight-on-hover though - we did consider that but the concencus in the office at work was to leave
itwithout. I might play again tonight though. 

Regards, Dave

Re: Website

From

miha.radej@siix.com

Date:

14 January 2006, 22:26:18

hi!

>> what i meant and failed to say was that i prefer how the current menu
>> works, ie an entire block works as a link, not only when you hover over
>> the text. please see http://mcajvar.prkoritu.net/pgadmin/menu.html to
>> better see what i mean. i stole the styles and just modified them a
>> little.
>
> Dunno what browser you're using, but in my firefox, safari and IE6's, only
> the text is linked in any case. The new site doesn't have the
> highlight-on-hover though - we did consider that but the concencus in the
> office at work was to leave it without. I might play again tonight though.

hmm... interesting :) i've tried it in firefox 1.0.1 (winxp) and 1.0.7
(suse 10), konqueror (suse) and ie6 and only in the latter have i observed
what you mention. i wasn't aware of that kind of ie's behaviour, haven't
used it in the last 2 years at all :)

anyway, the thing is, in browsers i've used the entire block (which also
changes color) acts as a link, not only the text and is therefore imo
easier to navigate: one just needs to move the mouse in the area and
click. this is basically following the design rule of "bigger targets are
easier to hit".
so if it is not too much work can it please be included in the styles?

thanks,
M

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

15 January 2006, 09:01:56

Ignore me, I was being an idiot. I'll look at changing it - the only downside would be that the '>' marks would be part
ofthe link as well, making them the same colour. I kinda liked them a bit darker, but hey-ho. 

Regards, Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: miha.radej@siix.com [mailto:miha.radej@siix.com]
Sent: Sat 1/14/2006 11:27 PM
To: Dave Page
Cc: PgAdmin Hackers
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

hi!

>> what i meant and failed to say was that i prefer how the current menu
>> works, ie an entire block works as a link, not only when you hover over
>> the text. please see http://mcajvar.prkoritu.net/pgadmin/menu.html to
>> better see what i mean. i stole the styles and just modified them a
>> little.
>
> Dunno what browser you're using, but in my firefox, safari and IE6's, only
> the text is linked in any case. The new site doesn't have the
> highlight-on-hover though - we did consider that but the concencus in the
> office at work was to leave it without. I might play again tonight though.

hmm... interesting :) i've tried it in firefox 1.0.1 (winxp) and 1.0.7
(suse 10), konqueror (suse) and ie6 and only in the latter have i observed
what you mention. i wasn't aware of that kind of ie's behaviour, haven't
used it in the last 2 years at all :)

anyway, the thing is, in browsers i've used the entire block (which also
changes color) acts as a link, not only the text and is therefore imo
easier to navigate: one just needs to move the mouse in the area and
click. this is basically following the design rule of "bigger targets are
easier to hit".
so if it is not too much work can it please be included in the styles?

thanks,
M

Re: Website

From

Bastiaan Wakkie

Date:

16 January 2006, 06:39:20

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 10:00 +0000, Dave Page wrote:

the only downside would be that the '>' marks would be part of the link as well

I dont like the > sign at all anyway... it does not add anything. If possible just remove it.

Cheers,
Bastiaan

Re: Website

From

Andreas Pflug

Date:

18 January 2006, 17:24:14

Dave Page wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An essentially complete new website is online at
> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much the current
> design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to match the current
> pgAdmin splash screen.

A really nice piece of work!

Just a small issue: I noticed you changed docs to point to the new site.
To keep older versions runnable, a redirecting link should be kept on
the website.
And where's the svn?

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

18 January 2006, 20:09:45

-----Original Message-----
From: "Andreas Pflug"<pgadmin@pse-consulting.de>
Sent: 18/01/06 18:24:13
To: "Dave Page"<dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Cc: "PgAdmin Hackers"<pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

> A really nice piece of work!

Thanks.

> Just a small issue: I noticed you changed docs to point to the new site.
> To keep older versions runnable, a redirecting link should be kept on
> the website.

There are apache redirects on the server for all old versions of pages I could find or think of (except beta.php &
hall_of_fame.php).

> And where's the svn?

Where it always was - svn://svn.pgadmin.org/trunk/www/

Note that all application-specific pages should go under pgadmin3/.

Good holiday?

/D

-----Unmodified Original Message-----
Dave Page wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An essentially complete new website is online at
> http://wwwdevel.pgadmin.org/. I've stuck with pretty much the current
> design, but with rewritten CSS and a new colour scheme to match the current
> pgAdmin splash screen.

A really nice piece of work!

Just a small issue: I noticed you changed docs to point to the new site.
To keep older versions runnable, a redirecting link should be kept on
the website.
And where's the svn?

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Website

From

Andreas Pflug

Date:

18 January 2006, 22:09:18

Dave Page wrote:

>
>
>
>>And where's the svn?
>>
>>
>
>Where it always was - svn://svn.pgadmin.org/trunk/www/
>
>
Hm, I did a svn update in my www dir and found it nearly empty afterwards.

>Note that all application-specific pages should go under pgadmin3/.
>
>
'k, so I see now what happened: most files moved up one level, while I
have checked out www/pgadmin3 only.

>Good holiday?
>
>
>
Yup. Very lazy: long sleeping, doing nothing, eating (lot of eating,
need tight diet for the next weeks ;-) And no mails!

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

18 January 2006, 22:24:34


-----Original Message-----
From: "Andreas Pflug"<pgadmin@pse-consulting.de>
Sent: 18/01/06 23:09:15
To: "Dave Page"<dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>
Cc: "pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org"<pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website

> 'k, so I see now what happened: most files moved up one level, while I
> have checked out www/pgadmin3 only.

Ahh.

> >Good holiday?

> Yup. Very lazy: long sleeping, doing
> nothing, eating (lot of eating,
> need tight diet for the next weeks ;-) And
> no mails!

You? Diet? You'd be able to hide behind lamp posts if you did that too much :-)

/D

-----Unmodified Original Message-----
Dave Page wrote:

>
>
>
>>And where's the svn?
>>
>>
>
>Where it always was - svn://svn.pgadmin.org/trunk/www/
>
>
Hm, I did a svn update in my www dir and found it nearly empty afterwards.

>Note that all application-specific pages should go under pgadmin3/.
>
>
'k, so I see now what happened: most files moved up one level, while I
have checked out www/pgadmin3 only.

>Good holiday?
>
>
>
Yup. Very lazy: long sleeping, doing nothing, eating (lot of eating,
need tight diet for the next weeks ;-) And no mails!

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Website

From

Andreas Pflug

Date:

19 January 2006, 08:57:20

Dave,

there are quite a lot of absolute paths, which makes the website
on-runnable on my server (localhost/pgadmin3). Why not just relative
paths throughout?

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Website

From

"Dave Page"

Date:

19 January 2006, 09:08:20


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de]
> Sent: 19 January 2006 09:57
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website
>
> Dave,
>
> there are quite a lot of absolute paths, which makes the website
> on-runnable on my server (localhost/pgadmin3). Why not just relative
> paths throughout?

It was that way originally, but I ran into some issues with
$_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] being incorrect (well, not being what I
wanted). I forget what they were exactly now but the simple choice at
the time was to not use relative paths and I later ended up changing
them all for consistency.

Feel free to figure out a fix if you like, or I can give you write
access to wwwdevel or a new dedicated vhost on developer.pgadmin.org if
you prefer.

Regards, Dave

Re: Website

From

Andreas Pflug

Date:

19 January 2006, 11:17:05

Dave Page wrote:
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Andreas Pflug [mailto:pgadmin@pse-consulting.de]
>>Sent: 19 January 2006 09:57
>>To: Dave Page
>>Cc: pgadmin-hackers@postgresql.org
>>Subject: Re: [pgadmin-hackers] Website
>>
>>Dave,
>>
>>there are quite a lot of absolute paths, which makes the website
>>on-runnable on my server (localhost/pgadmin3). Why not just relative
>>paths throughout?
>
>
> It was that way originally, but I ran into some issues with
> $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] being incorrect (well, not being what I
> wanted). I forget what they were exactly now but the simple choice at
> the time was to not use relative paths and I later ended up changing
> them all for consistency.
>
> Feel free to figure out a fix if you like, or I can give you write
> access to wwwdevel or a new dedicated vhost on developer.pgadmin.org if
> you prefer.

Problem is usage of DOCUMENT_ROOT. My localhost/pgadmin3 is not a doc
root, but an alias. Seems the easiest fix is to add another virtual host
on my machine.

Regards,
Andreas