Thread: updates for spi / donations info

On 2/23/23 12:47 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
> Howdy folks,
> 
> The following patch updates some of the info around spi donation.
> there are some minor whitespace oriented changes,

Thanks!

I removed the whitespace changes, which were formatting changes on the 
donations page that were not relevant to the patch. I also fixed up 
several instances of broken HTML.

> but primary changes are:
> 
> 1. link to the funds group page on the main website rather than the old 
> wiki pages.

The link was incorrect because it contained a ".html" suffix. I fixed it 
to the corrected link.

> 2. replace the copy/pasted donation details on the spi page, which are 
> now outdated / incorrect, with a list of donation options and a pointer 
> to the donations page at spi.

Similar comments to the above. Here is the revision.

My one concern with this change is that while it presents the updated 
information about donating to SPI, it's not clear how to actually submit 
a donation. I clicked on the link that's now semi-buried in the page, 
which brings me to a long wall of text on the SPI page that makes it 
difficult to parse.

I think we should at least maintain what we currently have[1], i.e. a 
clear button that at least goes to this page:

https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/postgresql/

Attached is v2 of the patch.

Thanks,

Jonathan

[1] https://www.postgresql.org/about/donate_pg_org/

On 2/26/23 1:04 PM, Robert Treat wrote:

> Yeah, I think I may have overcorrected on this, and could get on-board 
> with the idea of modifying the button to go directly to the Postgres 
> page @ SPI as a good mix of lowering the maintenance but also making it 
> simple for folks to donate. Do you want to have a go at making that 
> change, or do you need me to take another stab at a patch?

I went ahead and made another pass.

I stared at the PG SPI page a bit more and noticed (1) it only covered 
the Paypal method and (2) the Paypal button that page has identical code 
to ours. So I kept things on our page as is, with a few wording tweaks. 
It's better if we minimize the number of clicks that someone needs to 
make to donate.

What do you think of this changeset?

Thanks,

Jonathan

On 2/26/23 10:51 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 2:25 PM Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org 
> <mailto:jkatz@postgresql.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On 2/26/23 1:04 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
> 
>      > Yeah, I think I may have overcorrected on this, and could get
>     on-board
>      > with the idea of modifying the button to go directly to the Postgres
>      > page @ SPI as a good mix of lowering the maintenance but also
>     making it
>      > simple for folks to donate. Do you want to have a go at making that
>      > change, or do you need me to take another stab at a patch?
> 
>     I went ahead and made another pass.
> 
>     I stared at the PG SPI page a bit more and noticed (1) it only covered
>     the Paypal method and (2) the Paypal button that page has identical
>     code
>     to ours. So I kept things on our page as is, with a few wording tweaks.
>     It's better if we minimize the number of clicks that someone needs to
>     make to donate.
> 
>     What do you think of this changeset?
> 
> 
> Well, my primary goal here was to eliminate the need for updating the 
> .org site in the face of SPI related changes, so I feel like we don't 
> really accomplish that if we leave the donation link as is. 
> Additionally, I'd like to reduce the surface area of Paypal on the whole 
> process, which makes this feel like a second strike.
> 
> FWIW part of my plan with all this is to also submit a patch to the SPI 
> website which updates the logo / wording and adds a direct link to the 
> click and pledge credit card option (ideally above the paypal option), 
> so there would still be an extra click but I think it's not too much 
> extra overhead. If you really want to have a direct link to donate from 
> the .org page, I guess leave the paypal one for now, and I'll hopefully 
> come back with a patch to change it to click and pledge once I get the info.

I went through the "Click & Pledge" process and it's unclear to me how 
you designate it for PostgreSQL. After staring at it for a bit, I 
realized that if I continue to scroll down, hover over each "More Info" 
box, I can eventually find the one that's specific to PostgreSQL. I 
don't think most folks are going to go through that process to figure 
out how to donate, and we would end up missing out on donations.

While the current set up may be imperfect, it still works and limits the 
friction of making a payment via credit card (which I presume is our 
biggest contributor of donations? I can't tell from the SPI reports). If 
something changes in the SPI set up, we could certainly change our page 
to accommodate, but I think right now removing that button greatly 
increases the risk of our ability to collect donations.

Thanks,

Jonathan

On 3/2/23 2:10 PM, Robert Treat wrote:

> Well... if the only things we accomplish at the moment are removing the 
> incorrect info thats a win, and if we also just list out the other 
> options (like Zelle) that seems like an improvement as well, and I can 
> circle back on the other stuff once I've gotten the SPI side updated.

Thanks. I've pushed the updates.

Jonathan