Thread: MS Access Frontend

On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
> I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be easier 
> on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked online for 
> some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only pick up after 
> Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if someone knew of 
> some updated material that they could point me to or maybe walk me 
> through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago and things have 
> changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC drivers, which I have 
> already done. I have already setup the DSN and I clicked on test and it 
> says everything is fine. I know that my next step has something to do 
> with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not sure how to set it up. I 
> guess that is where I start to need help. The client computers using the 
> frontend will be running Windows 10 and Office 365, both are updated to 
> the latest versions.

This might help:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797


> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jason L. Amerson
> 


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On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
> On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
>> I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
>> easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
>> online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
>> pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
>> someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
>> maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
>> and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
>> drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
>> I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
>> step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
>> sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
>> The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
>> and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.
>
> This might help:
>
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797
>
>
>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jason L. Amerson
>>
>
>
That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
to create them:

1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
source" on the left

2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
identified "ODBC Database".

3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"

4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog

5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database

Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.

If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.

Good luck.


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Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later. So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on them and just use a different client.

 

Jason L. Amerson

 

+1

Libreoffice has a quick and easy database front end. Not great but functional and effort free.

On 11/30/19 3:15 AM, Tim Clarke wrote:
> On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
>> On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
>>> I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
>>> easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
>>> online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
>>> pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
>>> someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
>>> maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
>>> and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
>>> drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
>>> I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
>>> step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
>>> sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
>>> The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
>>> and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.
>>
>> This might help:
>>
>> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Jason L. Amerson
>>>
>>
>>
> That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
> to create them:

Which is covered in the above:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797#bkmk_add

> 
> 1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
> source" on the left
> 
> 2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
> identified "ODBC Database".
> 
> 3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
> bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"
> 
> 4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog
> 
> 5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database
> 
> Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
> matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.
> 
> If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
> simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
> try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> --
> Tim Clarke
> IT Director
> Direct: +44 (0)1376 504510 | Mobile: +44 (0)7887 563420
> 
> 
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Leaving aside the question of money, a frontend like AquaData Studio or the equivalent program by Jetbrains would be a
muchbetter solution. I used to work with Access a lot and quite liked it. But AquaData Studio is not any more difficult
tolearn and gives you access to everything Postgress can do. 
 

I haven't used the Jetbrains version, which is cheaper. 

On 11/30/19, 8:53 AM, "Adrian Klaver" <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:

    On 11/30/19 3:15 AM, Tim Clarke wrote:
    > On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
    >> On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
    >>> I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
    >>> easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
    >>> online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
    >>> pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
    >>> someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
    >>> maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
    >>> and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
    >>> drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
    >>> I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
    >>> step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
    >>> sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
    >>> The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
    >>> and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.
    >>
    >> This might help:
    >>
    >>
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__support.office.com_en-2Dus_article_Manage-2Dlinked-2Dtables-2D1d9346d6-2D953d-2D4f85-2Da9ce-2D4caec2262797&d=DwIC-g&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=q2mFiQLD3Q0WGNcvV6_A-Jva78TI-_O-TJQkuVHqU_Y&s=n5gUTTvGiefsNhxsv4WNKTOok9pQSRe9TVdcXwWPjbI&e=

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Thank you,
    >>>
    >>> Jason L. Amerson
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    > That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
    > to create them:
    
    Which is covered in the above:
    

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__support.office.com_en-2Dus_article_Manage-2Dlinked-2Dtables-2D1d9346d6-2D953d-2D4f85-2Da9ce-2D4caec2262797-23bkmk-5Fadd&d=DwIC-g&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=q2mFiQLD3Q0WGNcvV6_A-Jva78TI-_O-TJQkuVHqU_Y&s=pDhZ2CyGXAtJ2gOO7qDxiTFYvLGWbW1y-b8KRfDaK5E&e=

    
    > 
    > 1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
    > source" on the left
    > 
    > 2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
    > identified "ODBC Database".
    > 
    > 3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
    > bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"
    > 
    > 4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog
    > 
    > 5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database
    > 
    > Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
    > matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.
    > 
    > If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
    > simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
    > try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.
    > 
    > Good luck.
    > 
    > 
    > --
    > Tim Clarke
    > IT Director
    > Direct: +44 (0)1376 504510 | Mobile: +44 (0)7887 563420
    > 
    > 
    > 
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On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but 
> problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that 
> Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later. 
> So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on 
> them and just use a different client.

I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not 
find an Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have 
subsets of its functionality, but not a drop in replacement.


> 
> Jason L. Amerson
> 



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I am a Linux user too. I just bought my children Windows laptops so it would
be easier for them to use. I had to buy me a Windows one too so that I can
do the whole Microsoft Family thing and monitor them a little. But I think
it is time to throw them into the deep end and see if they can swim.

Jason L. Amerson


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 01:52 PM
To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>; 'Martin Gainty'
<mgainty@hotmail.com>; PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access Frontend

On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
> Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but 
> problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that 
> Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
> So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on 
> them and just use a different client.

I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not find an
Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have subsets of its
functionality, but not a drop in replacement.


> 
> Jason L. Amerson
> 



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adrian.klaver@aklaver.com

My two cents. Access is awesome. Extremley fast prototyping environment. 
Found on most pc's in businesses. Great reporting tools.
It is my go-to tool for prototyping DB structures, reports, great 
import/export tools, and boatloads of people who are glad to share
vba code and solutions

My only bitch is the dumbing down of the application by Microsoft, 
Adding bands, and hiding past tools...killing the performance with xml 
bs..."there, I feel better now"


Libre Base does alot of the same things, just a different way.

If learning is the point of this discussion, then learn as much as 
possible about each one.

I started using win32 back in odd-06 with ODBC and direct db-api calls, 
but have steadily drifted towards RAD environments...although there's 
great satisfaction and control the lower you go.


When the prototyping is over , I've been pushing Lazarus as my
multi-plateform development environment.

It still pisses me off how abused Excel is, but people don't know the
difference.

Keep on rockin






On 11/30/2019 2:34 PM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
> I am a Linux user too. I just bought my children Windows laptops so it would
> be easier for them to use. I had to buy me a Windows one too so that I can
> do the whole Microsoft Family thing and monitor them a little. But I think
> it is time to throw them into the deep end and see if they can swim.
> 
> Jason L. Amerson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 01:52 PM
> To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>; 'Martin Gainty'
> <mgainty@hotmail.com>; PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
> Subject: Re: MS Access Frontend
> 
> On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
>> Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
>> problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
>> Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
>> So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on
>> them and just use a different client.
> 
> I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not find an
> Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have subsets of its
> functionality, but not a drop in replacement.
> 
> 
>>
>> Jason L. Amerson
>>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Adrian Klaver
> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Il 30.11.2019 19:52, Adrian Klaver ha scritto:
> On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
>> Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but 
>> problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that 
>> Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years 
>> later. So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put 
>> Linux on them and just use a different client.
>
> I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not 
> find an Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have 
> subsets of its functionality, but not a drop in replacement.

What about Lazarus IDE?

https://www.lazarus-ide.org/

Free, cross platform, relatively complete and easy to use, based on 
FreePascal, with reporting tools included...

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:09 AM Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com> wrote:

that said I think MS missed the boat on 2-phase-commits 

Microsoft has never really embraced the concept of a multi-user database environment.

  (It doesn't really understand the concept of a multi-user operating system, either.)