Thread: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
All,

I'm the moderator of -advocacy.  However, I twice tried to reply to 
"User Survey Poorly Designed" and neither time did my posts show up on 
the list.  Nor did they show up in the moderation queue, or the list of 
bounces.  WTF?

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
www.pgexperts.com


Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Dave Page
Date:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I'm the moderator of -advocacy.  However, I twice tried to reply to "User
> Survey Poorly Designed" and neither time did my posts show up on the list.
>  Nor did they show up in the moderation queue, or the list of bounces.  WTF?

Can you forward one to me directly? Maybe a keyword triggered one of
the anti-spam rules.



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Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com


Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
do you have anything I can use to trace?  a message id from your mail logs 
or something?

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Josh Berkus wrote:

> All,
>
> I'm the moderator of -advocacy.  However, I twice tried to reply to "User 
> Survey Poorly Designed" and neither time did my posts show up on the list. 
> Nor did they show up in the moderation queue, or the list of bounces.  WTF?
>
> -- 
> Josh Berkus
> PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
> www.pgexperts.com
>
> -- 
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org)
> To make changes to your subscription:
> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
>

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Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
I'm double checking the Quarantined spam right now also ... just in case
somehow it scored high ...

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Dave Page wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I'm the moderator of -advocacy.  However, I twice tried to reply to "User
>> Survey Poorly Designed" and neither time did my posts show up on the list.
>>  Nor did they show up in the moderation queue, or the list of bounces.  WTF?
>
> Can you forward one to me directly? Maybe a keyword triggered one of
> the anti-spam rules.
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Page
> EnterpriseDB UK:   http://www.enterprisedb.com
>
> --
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list (pgsql-www@postgresql.org)
> To make changes to your subscription:
> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
>

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Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
On 7/9/09 7:10 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> do you have anything I can use to trace? a message id from your mail
> logs or something?

<4A53D597.7090706@agliodbs.com>
<4A557F9F.4000502@agliodbs.com>

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
www.pgexperts.com


Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
Nope, that won't give it to me .. can you give me the times that those two 
were passed over to our server(s)?  And to which one received it?

Your are PST, right?  Server is in ADT, so +4 from you, I believe?

I didn't find anything in the Spam Quarantine queue ... so that appears to 
be clean ...

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Josh Berkus wrote:

> On 7/9/09 7:10 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> 
>> do you have anything I can use to trace? a message id from your mail
>> logs or something?
>
> <4A53D597.7090706@agliodbs.com>
> <4A557F9F.4000502@agliodbs.com>
>
> -- 
> Josh Berkus
> PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
> www.pgexperts.com
>

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Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
On 7/9/09 9:20 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> Nope, that won't give it to me .. can you give me the times that those
> two were passed over to our server(s)? And to which one received it?

Dropped mail just happened *again*.  Message ID is:
<4A5F4BDA.3030203@agliodbs.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:48:42 -0700

Since I'm the primary admin of the Advocacy list, it's kind of a problem 
if I can't mail to it.

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Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
www.pgexperts.com


Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
Hold ...

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Josh Berkus wrote:

> On 7/9/09 9:20 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, that won't give it to me .. can you give me the times that those
>> two were passed over to our server(s)? And to which one received it?
>
> Dropped mail just happened *again*.  Message ID is:
> <4A5F4BDA.3030203@agliodbs.com>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:48:42 -0700
>
> Since I'm the primary admin of the Advocacy list, it's kind of a problem if I 
> can't mail to it.
>
> -- 
> Josh Berkus
> PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
> www.pgexperts.com
>

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Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
Here is what I'm seeing:

Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/smtpd[40748]: 98D8C632FB8: 
client=glacier.frostconsultingllc.com[69.36.227.170]
Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/cleanup[40514]: 98D8C632FB8: 
message-id=<4A5F4BDA.3030203@agliodbs.com>
Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/qmgr[4314]: 98D8C632FB8: 
from=<josh@agliodbs.com>, size=2985, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jul 16 12:49:48 mail postfix/smtp[39024]: 98D8C632FB8: 
to=<pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@mail.postgresql.org>, 
orig_to=<pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>, 
relay=maia.hub.org[200.46.208.211]:10024, conn_use=8, delay=49, 
delays=0.16/39/0.01/11, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, message with 
invalid header discarded, id=30678-01-8 - Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 
hex) in message header 'X-Spam-Report': X-Spam-Report: ...  > Yeah. 
PostgreSQl lacks \\302\\253availability, ...)
Jul 16 12:49:48 mail postfix/qmgr[4314]: 98D8C632FB8: removed

And found it in the Invalid Headers cache, and just released it ... and 
out of 27 messages that were in that cache, 1 (yours) was the only one 
that wasn't spam ...

Something odd on your side?  Other then it doesn't seem to be all your 
email(s)?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Josh Berkus wrote:

> On 7/9/09 9:20 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, that won't give it to me .. can you give me the times that those
>> two were passed over to our server(s)? And to which one received it?
>
> Dropped mail just happened *again*.  Message ID is:
> <4A5F4BDA.3030203@agliodbs.com>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:48:42 -0700
>
> Since I'm the primary admin of the Advocacy list, it's kind of a problem if I 
> can't mail to it.
>
> -- 
> Josh Berkus
> PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
> www.pgexperts.com
>

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Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Date:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> 
> Here is what I'm seeing:
> 
> Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/smtpd[40748]: 98D8C632FB8: 
> client=glacier.frostconsultingllc.com[69.36.227.170]
> Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/cleanup[40514]: 98D8C632FB8: 
> message-id=<4A5F4BDA.3030203@agliodbs.com>
> Jul 16 12:48:59 mail postfix/qmgr[4314]: 98D8C632FB8: 
> from=<josh@agliodbs.com>, size=2985, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Jul 16 12:49:48 mail postfix/smtp[39024]: 98D8C632FB8: 
> to=<pgsql-advocacy-postgresql.org@mail.postgresql.org>, 
> orig_to=<pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org>, 
> relay=maia.hub.org[200.46.208.211]:10024, conn_use=8, delay=49, 
> delays=0.16/39/0.01/11, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, message 
> with invalid header discarded, id=30678-01-8 - Non-encoded 8-bit data 
> (char C2 hex) in message header 'X-Spam-Report': X-Spam-Report: ...  > 
> Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks \\302\\253availability, ...)
> Jul 16 12:49:48 mail postfix/qmgr[4314]: 98D8C632FB8: removed
> 
> And found it in the Invalid Headers cache, and just released it ... and 
> out of 27 messages that were in that cache, 1 (yours) was the only one 
> that wasn't spam ...
> 
> Something odd on your side?  Other then it doesn't seem to be all your 
> email(s)?

this seems to be a broken spamassassin setup on the server 
(glacier.frostconsultingllc.com) josh is sending his mails through.

the relevant part of the header is:
X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--)
X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system 
"glacier.frostconsultingllc.com", hasidentified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original messagehas been
attachedto this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or labelsimilar future email.  If you have any questions, seethe
administratorof that system for details.Content preview:  > Yeah. PostgreSQl lacks «availability, security and 
 
performancequalities > of enterprise class databases» which MySQL obviously has. >> Whoever inventented this bullshit
musthave been paid a serious amount >of money from somewhere. [...]Content analysis details:   (-2.9 points, 5.0
required)ptsrule name              description---- ---------------------- 
 
---------------------------------------------------1.8 ALL_TRUSTED            Passed through trusted hosts only via
SMTP-2.6BAYES_00               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%[score: 0.0000]1.5 AWL                    AWL:
From:address is in the auto white-list
 


(sorry if the formating breaks)

this seems that somebody seriously fatfingered the spamassassin 
reporting template (in addition to the fact that the systems seems to 
apply spamchecking even to mails sent from authenticated users) and the 
MTA integration.


Stefan


Re: Mails to -advocacy mysteriously disappearing

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
Guys,

Problem report sent to server owner.

In the meantime, I'll use a different secure SMTP server.

-- 
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
www.pgexperts.com