Thread: Split ftp distributions
Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and 8.3? http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ > > I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main > downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and 8.3? > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq Would someone please fix this too. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ > > > > I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main > > downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and 8.3? > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > > Would someone please fix this too. Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I asked to be done months ago! -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ > > > > > > I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main > > > downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and > > > 8.3? > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > > > > Would someone please fix this too. > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > asked to be done months ago! > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? ... - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director | PostgreSQL political pundit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0GltATb/zqfZUUQRApyRAJ4rAamC7rtXaGS+xKik8funnGXzBgCeO5TR x9bV0vpjstscIrpuFI9H/tc= =9Osf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: > > > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ > > > > > > > > I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main > > > > downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and > > > > 8.3? > > > > > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > > > > > > Would someone please fix this too. > > > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > > asked to be done months ago! > > > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? You mean we need a tracker for web requests? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:00:32 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? > > You mean we need a tracker for web requests? Well I meant it as a joke :). So let's not start a whole thing. There is actually a tracker for web requests, for things of a long term nature that are getting done. It is over at pmt and is used for sysadmins in general. On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is that only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or magnus. Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director | PostgreSQL political pundit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0GsBATb/zqfZUUQRAjxUAJ4o7p4WzrtySqS/jybv2iluLV9GOQCdG53c 6sQpa11wrnOteulub9RGXJ8= =o5C/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:00:32 -0500 (EST) > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? > > > > You mean we need a tracker for web requests? > > Well I meant it as a joke :). So let's not start a whole thing. There > is actually a tracker for web requests, for things of a long term > nature that are getting done. It is over at pmt and is used for > sysadmins in general. > > On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is that > only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or magnus. Well, then I propose we give more people power to do such things. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:08:06 -0500 (EST) Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is > > that only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or > > magnus. > > Well, then I propose we give more people power to do such things. I don't think it is the power that is the problem. It is the utter lack of documentation. I know that a couple in the IN list above have the security clearance... but reverse engineering production systems based on zero knowledge of operation is not a fun or safe thing to do. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director | PostgreSQL political pundit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH0GvyATb/zqfZUUQRAlLVAJsHo7C9NIubz5wfZvO+uAiWrWAmggCgidvY 1yqv+V4ggNEPoZd02EGlQoI= =ERlw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:08:06 -0500 (EST) > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > > On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is > > > that only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or > > > magnus. > > > > Well, then I propose we give more people power to do such things. > > I don't think it is the power that is the problem. It is the utter > lack of documentation. I know that a couple in the IN list above have > the security clearance... but reverse engineering production systems > based on zero knowledge of operation is not a fun or safe thing to do. Well, what suggestion do you have? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) > > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > > > asked to be done months ago! > > > > > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? > > You mean we need a tracker for web requests? He is pulling your leg. The problem here is not the lack of tracker -- the problem is that Marc takes a long time to do stuff, and sometimes forgets, and then he doesn't want to be part of the rest of the administration team. I have offered help on the things I can do, like administering Majordomo. Perhaps the problem _is_ the lack of a tracker, but since Marc is not willing to answer to simple queries here, why would he feel more pressed by a tracker? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) > > > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > > > > asked to be done months ago! > > > > > > > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? > > > > You mean we need a tracker for web requests? > > He is pulling your leg. The problem here is not the lack of tracker -- > the problem is that Marc takes a long time to do stuff, and sometimes > forgets, and then he doesn't want to be part of the rest of the > administration team. I have offered help on the things I can do, like > administering Majordomo. OK, I am thinking we need someone as foolish as me --- willing to jump in and try things, ready to fail, but try again. Our current system isn't working so I support someone getting in there and giving it a try --- over the long run the person will become capable and will document what needs to be done. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, March 06, 2008 16:50:45 -0500 Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: >> Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ >> >> I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main >> downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and 8.3? >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ >> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > > Would someone please fix this too. Fixed - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH0IMe4QvfyHIvDvMRArOiAJ9iGoNfsscXBSPGyNW79nItTNCpAACcDgMj I9A2Le3ikO9qI343PimNF98= =Kitt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, March 06, 2008 16:55:01 -0500 Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: >> Bruce Momjian wrote: >> > Our snapshots are still split into multiple subpackages: >> > >> > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/dev/ >> > >> > I assume there should be just one like we are doing with the main >> > downloads. Or is this something we are just doing with betas and 8.3? >> > >> > http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/v8.3beta3/ >> > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq >> >> Would someone please fix this too. > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > asked to be done months ago! Because nobody saw it? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH0IM24QvfyHIvDvMRAr6CAKC8vDM2rVh9+1XoWp7wpLHIYwhzBACfb0+F C+xmYwbxMvWU5RUTk5UkYF4= =0Ks7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, March 06, 2008 14:06:57 -0800 "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:00:32 -0500 (EST) > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > >> > Because the project refuses to use a tracker? >> >> You mean we need a tracker for web requests? > > Well I meant it as a joke :). So let's not start a whole thing. There > is actually a tracker for web requests, for things of a long term > nature that are getting done. It is over at pmt and is used for > sysadmins in general. > > On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is that > only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or magnus. Actually, it wasn't done because I don't htink anyone noticed the request .. as to stefan, dave or magnus, they have all root access to the VPS in question, and know how to use cron to find out what script gets called (hint: its called mk-snapshot) and could have very easily modified the script ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH0IOu4QvfyHIvDvMRAuaTAKC5421VXzWvf6moAAwUtnL0urV9iwCfWhza BKAEgl0NrFDVwacXaiI3j6w= =AiYy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I > > asked to be done months ago! > > Because nobody saw it? How come you don't see things? Please have a look at this email -- I CC'ed you. Would you reply? If you want me to help, I'm willing. Thanks, -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > How come you don't see things? Please have a look at this email -- > I CC'ed you. Would you reply? If you want me to help, I'm willing. Huh, for some reason I didn't paste the URL. Sorry. Here it is: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2008-03/msg00022.php -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, March 06, 2008 21:16:01 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> > Another issue. Why am I having to go back and re-ask for things I >> > asked to be done months ago! >> >> Because nobody saw it? > > How come you don't see things? Please have a look at this email -- > I CC'ed you. Would you reply? If you want me to help, I'm willing. Which one are you talkign about? the one about settting categories that I just responded to? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFH0Iz84QvfyHIvDvMRAr7rAKDJhtSlffn7Sh4e6BImRSpn7kIe3QCg7gAF Aos5OZt4/eS53nUNPSNN7p0= =mPuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > On a serious note the reason I would assume that it is not done is that > > only one person knows how and it isn't myself, stefan, dave or magnus. > > Actually, it wasn't done because I don't htink anyone noticed the request .. as > to stefan, dave or magnus, they have all root access to the VPS in question, > and know how to use cron to find out what script gets called (hint: its called > mk-snapshot) and could have very easily modified the script ... Actually I think there are two problems at work here: 1) We're all pretty busy, and often ignore messages when we're particularly busy on the assumption that someone else will pick them up. 2) Some things like the snapshot builds have specific 'owners', so we tend to ignore anything that is "someone else's territory" We need to get better at not doing those things - one solution would be to give Bruce access to PMT so he can log tickets that we can't ignore or miss so easily. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
Am Freitag, 7. März 2008 schrieb Dave Page: > 2) Some things like the snapshot builds have specific 'owners', so we > tend to ignore anything that is "someone else's territory" I was thinking it might be good if all people in the dev (or some other) group had sudo access to a common account, which might be pgsql, to run these cron jobs under. As another example, I run the documentation build and some other things under my personal account. I'd love give other people access to co-maintain these things, but I don't know a good permission structure to do that. I have also had the desire to fix some things in the snapshot builds in the past, but it is a mess to coordinate that between the makefiles and Marc's personal scripts.
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Am Freitag, 7. März 2008 schrieb Dave Page: > > 2) Some things like the snapshot builds have specific 'owners', so we > > tend to ignore anything that is "someone else's territory" > > I was thinking it might be good if all people in the dev (or some other) group > had sudo access to a common account, which might be pgsql, to run these cron > jobs under. As another example, I run the documentation build and some other > things under my personal account. I'd love give other people access to > co-maintain these things, but I don't know a good permission structure to do > that. I have also had the desire to fix some things in the snapshot builds > in the past, but it is a mess to coordinate that between the makefiles and > Marc's personal scripts. > We do tend to do that for all the stuff we deploy now. The main exception to the rule is Marc's stuff that's been in place for many years which is run from his own, largely undocumented scripts (hint hint :-) ). developer.postgresql.org in general is a bit of a mess though as it's grown from being the one box that did everything, and is now shrinking again as we migrate services off and onto their own VMs. I'd like to get to the stage where we can remove it altogether. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Dave Page wrote: > We do tend to do that for all the stuff we deploy now. The main > exception to the rule is Marc's stuff that's been in place for many > years which is run from his own, largely undocumented scripts (hint > hint :-) ). Tell me what you want to see documented in ~pgsql/bin/mk-snapshot ... there isn't anything special in it ... its very self-explanatory (cvs export this, make that, move the result here) ... there is no voodoo involved here, or secret incantations ... and what runs, and paths to them, are plainly available in cron ...
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM, User Scrappy <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Dave Page wrote: > > > We do tend to do that for all the stuff we deploy now. The main > > exception to the rule is Marc's stuff that's been in place for many > > years which is run from his own, largely undocumented scripts (hint > > hint :-) ). > > Tell me what you want to see documented in ~pgsql/bin/mk-snapshot ... > there isn't anything special in it ... its very self-explanatory (cvs > export this, make that, move the result here) ... there is no voodoo > involved here, or secret incantations ... and what runs, and paths to > them, are plainly available in cron ... > I'm not specifically referring to that, but the various scripts that evolved in the early days. A good example is the archives system which hasn't really been worked on by anyone except you and very recently Alvaro. What we should have though is a brief description on PMT of each service that exists, what scripts it involves, what user id it runs under etc. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
Dave Page wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:59 PM, User Scrappy <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Dave Page wrote: > > > > > We do tend to do that for all the stuff we deploy now. The main > > > exception to the rule is Marc's stuff that's been in place for many > > > years which is run from his own, largely undocumented scripts (hint > > > hint :-) ). > > > > Tell me what you want to see documented in ~pgsql/bin/mk-snapshot ... > > there isn't anything special in it ... its very self-explanatory (cvs > > export this, make that, move the result here) ... there is no voodoo > > involved here, or secret incantations ... and what runs, and paths to > > them, are plainly available in cron ... > > > > I'm not specifically referring to that, but the various scripts that > evolved in the early days. A good example is the archives system which > hasn't really been worked on by anyone except you and very recently > Alvaro. > > What we should have though is a brief description on PMT of each > service that exists, what scripts it involves, what user id it runs > under etc. Yea, that seems like it would be useful. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +