Thread: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
Folks,

I'd like to propose that we add a link to the "Prominent Users" page
(Kudos, Robert!) in the bar that now reads:

    * Home
    * About
    * Downloads
    * Documentation
    * Community
    * Developers
    * Support

It might look something like:

    * Home
    * About
    * Downloads
    * Documentation
    * Community
    * Users
    * Developers
    * Support

What do you think?

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D
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
Only comment I have is "Users" just doesn't sound right ... maybe
something stronger?

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, David Fetter wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'd like to propose that we add a link to the "Prominent Users" page
> (Kudos, Robert!) in the bar that now reads:
>
>    * Home
>    * About
>    * Downloads
>    * Documentation
>    * Community
>    * Developers
>    * Support
>
> It might look something like:
>
>    * Home
>    * About
>    * Downloads
>    * Documentation
>    * Community
>    * Users
>    * Developers
>    * Support
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers,
> D
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 09:41:44PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> Only comment I have is "Users" just doesn't sound right ... maybe
> something stronger?

I'm not fussy about what we call it, but having a single click from
the home page will be a Good Thing(TM) :)

Cheers,
D
>
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, David Fetter wrote:
>
> >Folks,
> >
> >I'd like to propose that we add a link to the "Prominent Users" page
> >(Kudos, Robert!) in the bar that now reads:
> >
> >   * Home
> >   * About
> >   * Downloads
> >   * Documentation
> >   * Community
> >   * Developers
> >   * Support
> >
> >It might look something like:
> >
> >   * Home
> >   * About
> >   * Downloads
> >   * Documentation
> >   * Community
> >   * Users
> >   * Developers
> >   * Support
> >
> >What do you think?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >D
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
David,

> I'm not fussy about what we call it, but having a single click from
> the home page will be a Good Thing(TM) :)

I just don't see this rating a main menu item.

I do think it should be linked from Community as well as About though.

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Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:55:01PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> David,
>
> > I'm not fussy about what we call it, but having a single click
> > from the home page will be a Good Thing(TM) :)
>
> I just don't see this rating a main menu item.
>
> I do think it should be linked from Community as well as About
> though.

I don't much care where on the front page it goes, but it does belong
on the front page.  I believe it does actually rate such a position,
but I'd like to hear why you think it's less important than that.

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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Magnus Hagander"
Date:
> > > I'm not fussy about what we call it, but having a single
> click from
> > > the home page will be a Good Thing(TM) :)
> >
> > I just don't see this rating a main menu item.
> >
> > I do think it should be linked from Community as well as
> About though.
>
> I don't much care where on the front page it goes, but it
> does belong on the front page.  I believe it does actually
> rate such a position, but I'd like to hear why you think it's
> less important than that.

Well, frontpage != top bar.

I agree it doesn't really rate a place in the top bar.

Putting it on the frontpage seems like a good idea, though. I see two
options:
1) Add it to the list of links under "Shortcuts". Then we just need a
name. I agree that "Users" is a bit ambigous. Considering what that
means on most websites ("if you're a user of our system, click here"), I
think something else is better. No, I don't have a direct example of
something better :-P

2) Put it in the featured user box. Replacing the "share your story"
link. (That link would be moved down into the case studies list)

//Magnus

Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Guido Barosio"
Date:
Did a smallquicksimple research:


- MySQL seems to call it "Customers":

http://www.mysql.com/customers/

note: on the top bar, 1 click away from the home page.



- Firebird doesn't seems to serve the page on their main site, but on ibphoenix under the "Firebird Users" name:

http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&s=1142330367:630751&page=ibp_users_firebird

note: not on their sourceforge home page, but on the foundation site, not easy to access.



- SQLite, couldn't find any information, even googling.


Regards,
Guido Barosio

On 3/14/06, Magnus Hagander <mha@sollentuna.net> wrote:
> > > I'm not fussy about what we call it, but having a single
> click from
> > > the home page will be a Good Thing(TM) :)
> >
> > I just don't see this rating a main menu item.
> >
> > I do think it should be linked from Community as well as
> About though.
>
> I don't much care where on the front page it goes, but it
> does belong on the front page.  I believe it does actually
> rate such a position, but I'd like to hear why you think it's
> less important than that.

Well, frontpage != top bar.

I agree it doesn't really rate a place in the top bar.

Putting it on the frontpage seems like a good idea, though. I see two
options:
1) Add it to the list of links under "Shortcuts". Then we just need a
name. I agree that "Users" is a bit ambigous. Considering what that
means on most websites ("if you're a user of our system, click here"), I
think something else is better. No, I don't have a direct example of
something better :-P

2) Put it in the featured user box. Replacing the "share your story"
link. (That link would be moved down into the case studies list)

//Magnus

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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:10:49AM +0000, Guido Barosio wrote:
> Did a smallquicksimple research:
>
> - MySQL seems to call it "Customers":
>
> http://www.mysql.com/customers/
>
> note: on the top bar, 1 click away from the home page.

PGDG doesn't really have "customers" in the sense that a unified
commercial entity like MySQL AB does.  I've been making my living from
PostgreSQL almost all of this century, but most of these outfits have
never been my "customers."

> - Firebird doesn't seems to serve the page on their main site, but
> on ibphoenix under the "Firebird Users" name:
>
> http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&s=1142330367:630751&page=ibp_users_firebird
>
> note: not on their sourceforge home page, but on the foundation
> site, not easy to access.

Has anybody heard of any of these outfits?

> - SQLite, couldn't find any information, even googling.

Not a giant surprise.  SQLite is in the public domain, and their M.O.
is more stealthy.  They're what I recommend when people ask about an
embedded SQL system :)

How about a prominent link on the front page that says something like,

    Here are some organizations that use PostgreSQL.

I know it's wordy, but it gets the point across that this is a display
and not a help desk, blog, doc set...

Cheers,
D
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Guido Barosio"
Date:
What about "Featured Users"?

featured
     adj 1: made a feature or highlight; given prominence; "a featured
            actor"; "a featured item at the sale"

Actually, linking from the top bar wouldn't be a bad idea, as per the
case studies, for those who already have one, would be reachable from
that site, were the feature star will be postgresql, as the study
object.

Regards,
Guido Barosio

On 3/14/06, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:10:49AM +0000, Guido Barosio wrote:
> > Did a smallquicksimple research:
> >
> > - MySQL seems to call it "Customers":
> >
> > http://www.mysql.com/customers/
> >
> > note: on the top bar, 1 click away from the home page.
>
> PGDG doesn't really have "customers" in the sense that a unified
> commercial entity like MySQL AB does.  I've been making my living from
> PostgreSQL almost all of this century, but most of these outfits have
> never been my "customers."
>
> > - Firebird doesn't seems to serve the page on their main site, but
> > on ibphoenix under the "Firebird Users" name:
> >
> > http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&s=1142330367:630751&page=ibp_users_firebird
> >
> > note: not on their sourceforge home page, but on the foundation
> > site, not easy to access.
>
> Has anybody heard of any of these outfits?
>
> > - SQLite, couldn't find any information, even googling.
>
> Not a giant surprise.  SQLite is in the public domain, and their M.O.
> is more stealthy.  They're what I recommend when people ask about an
> embedded SQL system :)
>
> How about a prominent link on the front page that says something like,
>
>     Here are some organizations that use PostgreSQL.
>
> I know it's wordy, but it gets the point across that this is a display
> and not a help desk, blog, doc set...
>
> Cheers,
> D
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> phone: +1 415 235 3778
>
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>



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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:48:17PM +0000, Guido Barosio wrote:
> What about "Featured Users"?

+1 :)

Cheers,
D

> featured
>      adj 1: made a feature or highlight; given prominence; "a featured
>             actor"; "a featured item at the sale"
>
> Actually, linking from the top bar wouldn't be a bad idea, as per the
> case studies, for those who already have one, would be reachable from
> that site, were the feature star will be postgresql, as the study
> object.
>
> Regards,
> Guido Barosio

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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
+1

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, David Fetter wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:48:17PM +0000, Guido Barosio wrote:
>> What about "Featured Users"?
>
> +1 :)
>
> Cheers,
> D
>
>> featured
>>      adj 1: made a feature or highlight; given prominence; "a featured
>>             actor"; "a featured item at the sale"
>>
>> Actually, linking from the top bar wouldn't be a bad idea, as per the
>> case studies, for those who already have one, would be reachable from
>> that site, were the feature star will be postgresql, as the study
>> object.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Guido Barosio
>
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
Josh Berkus
Date:
Folks,

> How about a prominent link on the front page that says something like,
>
>     Here are some organizations that use PostgreSQL.

Speaking of which, could we drop the "PostgreSQL Revolution" thing from
the Users page itself?  That's a rather trite phrase, and not really
what we're about.

--Josh

Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
David Fetter
Date:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:01:31AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Folks,
>
> >How about a prominent link on the front page that says something
> >like,
> >
> >    Here are some organizations that use PostgreSQL.
>
> Speaking of which, could we drop the "PostgreSQL Revolution" thing
> from the Users page itself?  That's a rather trite phrase, and not
> really what we're about.

I'd be happy to.  What would you like in its place?

Cheers,
D
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Re: Making the "Prominent Users" section easier to reach

From
"Harald Armin Massa"
Date:
>> Speaking of which, could we drop the "PostgreSQL Revolution" thing
>> from the Users page itself? 

>I'd be happy to.  What would you like in its place?

After reading the Wisconsin-Thread, I awoke this morning with:

PostgreSQL - works as documented.

and

PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold


"PostgreSQL - works as documented" is "stating the obvious" - but every professional knows it's rather unusual for high tech products. With some databases of some big vendor you really need some "initialization ritual" (involving big money) to get to the deeper knowledge with the real thing after missleading manuals.


regards

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