Thread: Postgres mailing lists
Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather inconvenient. -- Chris Bitmead mailto:chris@tech.com.au http://www.techphoto.org - Photography News, Stuff that Matters
At 02:16 PM 6/16/99 +1000, Chris Bitmead wrote: > >Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member >submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather >inconvenient. In my experiences with other mailing lists - yes. If the mailing list address shows up anywhere accessible by web spiders, it will be found, and the list will be hit by spam. So I guess the question is really "which is worse, getting hit by occassional spam or having to post from a subscribed e-mail address?" I have two e-mail addresses, one which I use for personal e-mail and lists, so the answer's easy for me. Keep it closed to subscribers. If no one anywhere has the e-mail address of the list on a spider-accesible web page, then opening it *might* work unless... Anyone ever posts the list address to Usenet. - Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza@pacifier.com> Nature photos, on-line guides, and other goodies at http://donb.photo.net
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Chris Bitmead wrote:
>
> Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> inconvenient.
There is a pgsql-loopback address you can subscribe to, so that you don't
have to be a member of every list, but, yes, it is required...
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
Well I reckon there should be a pseudo-subscription mechanism, where you
can register yourself as a contributor without actually getting a copy
of the email. I could subscribe under my several email addresses just so
that I can mail from all accounts but I don't really want to receive X
copies of everything. Is there a way to subscribe without getting
anything sent? A kind of suspended account I guess you would call it.
The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Chris Bitmead wrote:
>
> >
> > Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> > submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> > inconvenient.
>
> There is a pgsql-loopback address you can subscribe to, so that you don't
> have to be a member of every list, but, yes, it is required...
>
> Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
> Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
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> Well I reckon there should be a pseudo-subscription mechanism, where you
> can register yourself as a contributor without actually getting a copy
> of the email. I could subscribe under my several email addresses just so
> that I can mail from all accounts but I don't really want to receive X
> copies of everything. Is there a way to subscribe without getting
> anything sent? A kind of suspended account I guess you would call it.
That's what loopback does.
>
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> > > submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> > > inconvenient.
> >
> > There is a pgsql-loopback address you can subscribe to, so that you don't
> > have to be a member of every list, but, yes, it is required...
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>
> --
> Chris Bitmead
> mailto:chris@tech.com.au
> http://www.techphoto.org - Photography News, Stuff that Matters
>
>
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> At 02:16 PM 6/16/99 +1000, Chris Bitmead wrote: > > > >Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member > >submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather > >inconvenient. > > In my experiences with other mailing lists - yes. If the > mailing list address shows up anywhere accessible by > web spiders, it will be found, and the list will be hit > by spam. > > So I guess the question is really "which is worse, getting > hit by occassional spam or having to post from a subscribed > e-mail address?" > > I have two e-mail addresses, one which I use for personal > e-mail and lists, so the answer's easy for me. Keep it > closed to subscribers. > > If no one anywhere has the e-mail address of the list on > a spider-accesible web page, then opening it *might* > work unless... > > Anyone ever posts the list address to Usenet. I think there is a way to add all your e-mail addresses to the list without getting mail to each address. Not sure how, though. -- Bruce Momjian | http://www.op.net/~candle maillist@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000+ If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania19026
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > At 02:16 PM 6/16/99 +1000, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> > >
> > >Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> > >submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> > >inconvenient.
> >
> > In my experiences with other mailing lists - yes. If the
> > mailing list address shows up anywhere accessible by
> > web spiders, it will be found, and the list will be hit
> > by spam.
> >
> > So I guess the question is really "which is worse, getting
> > hit by occassional spam or having to post from a subscribed
> > e-mail address?"
> >
> > I have two e-mail addresses, one which I use for personal
> > e-mail and lists, so the answer's easy for me. Keep it
> > closed to subscribers.
> >
> > If no one anywhere has the e-mail address of the list on
> > a spider-accesible web page, then opening it *might*
> > work unless...
> >
> > Anyone ever posts the list address to Usenet.
>
> I think there is a way to add all your e-mail addresses to the list
> without getting mail to each address. Not sure how, though.
Subscribe all addresses to loopback. It doesn't send mail out, it's
just a place for majordomo to look for ok addresses.
Vince.
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> Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> inconvenient.
Spam is inconvenient. The term for mailing lists that don't do this
sort of blocking is "spam amplifier."
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On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> Well I reckon there should be a pseudo-subscription mechanism, where you
> can register yourself as a contributor without actually getting a copy
> of the email. I could subscribe under my several email addresses just so
> that I can mail from all accounts but I don't really want to receive X
> copies of everything. Is there a way to subscribe without getting
> anything sent? A kind of suspended account I guess you would call it.
>
> > There is a pgsql-loopback address you can subscribe to, so that you
> > don't have to be a member of every list, but, yes, it is required...
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Chris Bitmead wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member
> > > submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather
> > > inconvenient.
> >
> > There is a pgsql-loopback address you can subscribe to, so that you don't
> > have to be a member of every list, but, yes, it is required...
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>
> --
> Chris Bitmead
> mailto:chris@tech.com.au
> http://www.techphoto.org - Photography News, Stuff that Matters
>
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
At 9:16 PM -0700 6/15/99, Chris Bitmead wrote: >Is it really necessary that the mailing lists block "non-member >submissions"?. I have several email addresses and this is rather >inconvenient. I don't know how postgres does it exactly, but NetBSD has open lists and some aggressive kind of spam filtering based on known spammers. I think it's been very nice to have discussions, for example, which span both the port-mac68k@netbsd.org list and e.g. a MkLinux list. The spam filtering seems to be very effective since I only see a piece of spam on the netbsd lists once every 3 months or so. I would suggest you consider cooperating with them to use whatever mechanism they use. As another specific example there was a person on port-mac68k who was getting postgres up on a Mac 68k system and having some problems. I tried to cross-post my responses to the postgres-ports lists, but they never appeared. I was doing it from this very email address on this very machine. Aside from the 'now' - 'current' problem I reported earlier, his were mostly related to interactions among the NetBSD installation, the NetBSD package system and our install instructions rather than to any fundamental deficiencies in postgres. However I think he had valid problems which I think the Postgres documenters could address, and which would improve our product. I think it is unfortunate that I was not able to involve one of the postgres lists in the discussion. Signature failed Preliminary Design Review. Feasibility of a new signature is currently being evaluated. h.b.hotz@jpl.nasa.gov, or hbhotz@oxy.edu
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Henry B. Hotz wrote:
> As another specific example there was a person on port-mac68k who was
> getting postgres up on a Mac 68k system and having some problems. I tried
> to cross-post my responses to the postgres-ports lists, but they never
> appeared.
Curious about this, since if its rejected as "non-member submission", it
will get sent back to you...
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org