Thread: 9.2 release notes, beta time?
I just talked to Tom about the 9.2 release notes. Do people want me to write the 9.2 release notes? When do you think we will be ready for 9.2 beta? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > I just talked to Tom about the 9.2 release notes. Do people want me to > write the 9.2 release notes? +1. > When do you think we will be ready for 9.2 > beta? Well, we've got a bunch of open issues, but most of them don't look *too* serious. If everyone dropped what they're doing and worked on them, I think we could be done in 2 weeks, but realistically I think it's likely to take 1-2 months. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>> When do you think we will be ready for 9.2
>> beta?
> Well, we've got a bunch of open issues, but most of them don't look
> *too* serious. If everyone dropped what they're doing and worked on
> them, I think we could be done in 2 weeks, but realistically I think
> it's likely to take 1-2 months.
Well, I would sure like to see a beta out sooner than that. I don't
think we necessarily have to resolve every known open issue before
we put out beta1. I believe we do need to resolve anything that would
force initdb (such as Peter's bytea_agg change), and of course we need
to write release notes so that beta testers know what to test.
At the same time, I'd like to light a fire under people to deal with
the open issues. I agree that it will take some time for all of
them to get dealt with, but it doesn't help if the responsible hackers
are procrastinating.
regards, tom lane
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes: >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: >>> When do you think we will be ready for 9.2 >>> beta? > >> Well, we've got a bunch of open issues, but most of them don't look >> *too* serious. If everyone dropped what they're doing and worked on >> them, I think we could be done in 2 weeks, but realistically I think >> it's likely to take 1-2 months. > > Well, I would sure like to see a beta out sooner than that. I don't > think we necessarily have to resolve every known open issue before > we put out beta1. I believe we do need to resolve anything that would > force initdb (such as Peter's bytea_agg change), and of course we need > to write release notes so that beta testers know what to test. Fair enough. > At the same time, I'd like to light a fire under people to deal with > the open issues. I agree that it will take some time for all of > them to get dealt with, but it doesn't help if the responsible hackers > are procrastinating. The joys of an all-volunteer project. :-) -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:40:09PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > I just talked to Tom about the 9.2 release notes. Do people want me to > > write the 9.2 release notes? > > +1. > > > When do you think we will be ready for 9.2 > > beta? > > Well, we've got a bunch of open issues, but most of them don't look > *too* serious. If everyone dropped what they're doing and worked on > them, I think we could be done in 2 weeks, but realistically I think > it's likely to take 1-2 months. I was hoping for at least two weeks because I am away Monday to Thursday of next week for EnterpriseDB. I can do it by March 27, or the latest March 30, that is 2-2.5 weeks from now. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 01:29:38PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:40:09PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > > I just talked to Tom about the 9.2 release notes. Do people want me to > > > write the 9.2 release notes? > > > > +1. > > > > > When do you think we will be ready for 9.2 > > > beta? > > > > Well, we've got a bunch of open issues, but most of them don't look > > *too* serious. If everyone dropped what they're doing and worked on > > them, I think we could be done in 2 weeks, but realistically I think > > it's likely to take 1-2 months. > > I was hoping for at least two weeks because I am away Monday to Thursday > of next week for EnterpriseDB. I can do it by March 27, or the latest > March 30, that is 2-2.5 weeks from now. I had hoped to complete the release notes by March 30, but travel and catching up on old stuff has delayed that. I will start working on them now and have them ready before we start beta. If that is a problem, please let me know. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> I had hoped to complete the release notes by March 30, but travel and
> catching up on old stuff has delayed that. I will start working on them
> now and have them ready before we start beta. If that is a problem,
> please let me know.
Well, we aren't ready for beta today anyway, AFAICT.
Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week?
(That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual
type of release schedule.)
regards, tom lane
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: >> I had hoped to complete the release notes by March 30, but travel and >> catching up on old stuff has delayed that. I will start working on them >> now and have them ready before we start beta. If that is a problem, >> please let me know. > > Well, we aren't ready for beta today anyway, AFAICT. > > Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week? > (That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual > type of release schedule.) I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I think we should fix before beta1: - the pg_stat_statements cleanups we were discussing on the other thread, since that's going to involve changing column names/types - the Hot Standby vs. index-only scans stuff, which needs a WAL format change, and is my top priority as soon as I get unburied - SP-GiST is unsafe for use by hot standby slaves, since I think queries returning wrong answers = bad - http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/1333124720-sup-6193@alvh.no-ip.org I'm not sure we can commit to a timeline for beta until we know who is taking care of each of those things. -- Robert Haas EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: >> I had hoped to complete the release notes by March 30, but travel and >> catching up on old stuff has delayed that. I will start working on them >> now and have them ready before we start beta. If that is a problem, >> please let me know. > > Well, we aren't ready for beta today anyway, AFAICT. > > Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week? > (That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual > type of release schedule.) I doubt we'll be able to produce installers that soon - first, we're still building the build VMs for 9.2, and second, right now we're having to update every existing build VM and then the 8.3 through 9.1 installers (which will require more QA than normal because of the changes) due to the recent OpenSSL bug. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: >> Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week? > I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I > think we should fix before beta1: > - the pg_stat_statements cleanups we were discussing on the other > thread, since that's going to involve changing column names/types > - the Hot Standby vs. index-only scans stuff, which needs a WAL format > change, and is my top priority as soon as I get unburied > - SP-GiST is unsafe for use by hot standby slaves, since I think > queries returning wrong answers = bad > - http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/1333124720-sup-6193@alvh.no-ip.org I agree that fixing the first two before beta is a necessary thing. I'm not convinced the other two are beta blockers. We should not have a mindset of "there must be no known bugs in beta1"; we want to parallelize not serialize this process, so that testing has to be able to happen concurrently with fixing non-blocker bugs. I'd say that anything that isn't going to require an initdb to fix, and that most testers are unlikely to hit, ought not be a blocker. > I'm not sure we can commit to a timeline for beta until we know who is > taking care of each of those things. I already promised to deal with the first one, and you are indicating willingness to deal with the second, so I think we have the blockers covered. regards, tom lane
Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week?
>> (That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual
>> type of release schedule.)
> I doubt we'll be able to produce installers that soon - first, we're
> still building the build VMs for 9.2, and second, right now we're
> having to update every existing build VM and then the 8.3 through 9.1
> installers (which will require more QA than normal because of the
> changes) due to the recent OpenSSL bug.
Mmm. How about two weeks from tomorrow, then? If we don't make that,
we won't have a beta till after PGCon, which would be a shame.
regards, tom lane
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> writes: >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: >>> Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week? >>> (That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual >>> type of release schedule.) > >> I doubt we'll be able to produce installers that soon - first, we're >> still building the build VMs for 9.2, and second, right now we're >> having to update every existing build VM and then the 8.3 through 9.1 >> installers (which will require more QA than normal because of the >> changes) due to the recent OpenSSL bug. > > Mmm. How about two weeks from tomorrow, then? If we don't make that, > we won't have a beta till after PGCon, which would be a shame. That's probably achievable (putting together the build machines is no small task). Worst case; the installers come out a few days later than the source code. It's a first beta, so it wouldn't be the end of the world. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: >> Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: >>> I had hoped to complete the release notes by March 30, but travel and >>> catching up on old stuff has delayed that. I will start working on them >>> now and have them ready before we start beta. If that is a problem, >>> please let me know. >> >> Well, we aren't ready for beta today anyway, AFAICT. >> >> Would it be reasonable to shoot for wrapping 9.2beta1 next week? >> (That would mean a wrap on Thursday May 3, if we follow the usual >> type of release schedule.) > > I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I > think we should fix before beta1: Yeh, perhaps a week later, but before PGCon definitely. I want to be able to discuss future work without feeling guilty that we're still wrapping the previous release. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services
>> I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I >> think we should fix before beta1: Hmmm. So are we looking at May 7? Or later? I'd like to do some press work for this. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:16:02PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > > >> I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I > >> think we should fix before beta1: > > Hmmm. So are we looking at May 7? Or later? > > I'd like to do some press work for this. Someone said one week as not enough, so I assumed a wrap on May 10 with beta release on May 14. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
On 4/27/12 2:29 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:16:02PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >> >>>> I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I >>>> think we should fix before beta1: >> >> Hmmm. So are we looking at May 7? Or later? >> >> I'd like to do some press work for this. > > Someone said one week as not enough, so I assumed a wrap on May 10 with > beta release on May 14. Doing a release on May 14 will be a challenge, thanks to people being on airplanes to pgCon. We might want to verify availability from the packagers. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:43:13PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 4/27/12 2:29 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 02:16:02PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> > >>>> I suspect that's a bit aggressive. We have a couple of issues that I > >>>> think we should fix before beta1: > >> > >> Hmmm. So are we looking at May 7? Or later? > >> > >> I'd like to do some press work for this. > > > > Someone said one week as not enough, so I assumed a wrap on May 10 with > > beta release on May 14. > > Doing a release on May 14 will be a challenge, thanks to people being on > airplanes to pgCon. We might want to verify availability from the > packagers. Do we want to do the normal package Thursday, release Monday process? I assumed we did. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:
> On 4/27/12 2:29 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> Someone said one week as not enough, so I assumed a wrap on May 10 with
>> beta release on May 14.
> Doing a release on May 14 will be a challenge, thanks to people being on
> airplanes to pgCon. We might want to verify availability from the
> packagers.
Packagers wouldn't be the issue; their work should be done by the
Saturday at latest. The website crew might have a problem though.
The main gating factor here is whether Dave Page's crew can get the
Windows installers ready any sooner; given his previous comments,
I don't think that moving the wrap up a few days would change anything.
We could wrap next week if we were OK with not having Windows installers
at the announcement, but I bet you'll say that's a no-go.
regards, tom lane
Hi, On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 19:02 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > The website crew might have a problem though. Magnus is flying on 13th and 14th, Dave, Stefan and Thom are flying on 14th. I'm flying on 15th -- it seems I have some cycles for updating website, I hope. Not sure about the others. (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) will be at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ Principal Systems Engineer @ EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz
Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> writes:
> (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) will be
> at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend).
Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed.
Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two
more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon.
regards, tom lane
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:19:55PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> writes: > > (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) will be > > at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). > > Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed. > Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two > more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon. Should we go for an alpha? -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
> Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed. > Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two > more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon. We could do it in person! -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
> Do we want to do the normal package Thursday, release Monday process? I > assumed we did. Given that in the last 2 years, our betas have been "news", I think we need to. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:19:55PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed.
>> Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two
>> more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon.
> Should we go for an alpha?
How would that help? The bottleneck is packaging, which is the same
work whatever we call it.
regards, tom lane
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 09:10:54PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:19:55PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > >> Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed. > >> Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two > >> more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon. > > > Should we go for an alpha? > > How would that help? The bottleneck is packaging, which is the same > work whatever we call it. We release the alpha with no packaging. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + It's impossible for everything to be true. +
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 09:10:54PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> How would that help? The bottleneck is packaging, which is the same
>> work whatever we call it.
> We release the alpha with no packaging.
Think we'd lose a lot of potential testers that way.
regards, tom lane
On Apr 27, 2012, at 21:24, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> writes: >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 09:10:54PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >>> How would that help? The bottleneck is packaging, which is the same >>> work whatever we call it. > >> We release the alpha with no packaging. > > Think we'd lose a lot of potential testers that way. > It seems that even if you published before PGCon a reasonable number of possible testers would be there and/or respondingto any feedback is going to be delayed since developers are going to be there. I could see the goal being having a package-ready commit before PGCon but schedule the official release until after. Nomatter what you call it those who want a head start can self-compile while others will just wait until the packagers aredone. Either way the same codebase will be in the wild (so probably don't want to call it alpha). The original reason for pre-conference is so the developers can feel less bad talking about 9.3 features (and 9.2 post-mortem)since the beta for 9.2 will be completed. David J.
Hi, On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 21:17 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > We release the alpha with no packaging. I have released RPMs regularly for all alphas before, at least over the last 2 years or so. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ Principal Systems Engineer @ EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 01:02, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes: >> On 4/27/12 2:29 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Someone said one week as not enough, so I assumed a wrap on May 10 with >>> beta release on May 14. > >> Doing a release on May 14 will be a challenge, thanks to people being on >> airplanes to pgCon. We might want to verify availability from the >> packagers. > > Packagers wouldn't be the issue; their work should be done by the > Saturday at latest. The website crew might have a problem though. FWIW, the website process is a *lot* faster now. If all things are ready (announcements written etc), it's half an hour to an hour of work onw, instead of the old 48-hours limit... That said, it is still hard to do from a plane without wifi. And I'm not entirely sure I'd dare to start the process even from one that does have it, given the risks.. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
2012/4/28 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>: > >> Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed. >> Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two >> more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon. > > We could do it in person! We could have Berkus handing out CDs! -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote: > (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) will be > at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). Is that a closed meeting? I hadn't seen any mention of that anywhere. -- Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 14:23, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote: > >> (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) will be >> at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). > > Is that a closed meeting? I hadn't seen any mention of that anywhere. It's been announced on the turkish site I believe, and I picked it up on their twitter feed. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Magnus Hagander wrote: > 2012/4/28 Josh Berkus<josh@agliodbs.com>: >>> Ugh. Maybe the whole idea of getting a beta out before PGCon is doomed. >>> Still, if we don't try for this schedule, we're looking at at least two >>> more weeks' slip, because we're surely not going to wrap during PGCon. >> We could do it in person! > > We could have Berkus handing out CDs! Or, if you guys want to mail out CDs to the whole US, I know some people. Jay
On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 13:23 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: > > (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) > will be > > at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). > > Is that a closed meeting? I hadn't seen any mention of that anywhere. Not that much. I've been tweeting about that (in Turkish, sorry) and sending out announcements to local mailing lists for quite some time, but we not able to finalize the venue until last week. This is the 2nd one after last year. I will do a wider announcement next time, I promise -- and the new event submission policy on postgresql.org raised a barrier against adding an item to the website, but that is more a -www topic. (Oh, and you need to have the secret key to enter the meeting.) -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ Principal Systems Engineer @ EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 02:23, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote: > On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 13:23 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: >> > (As a side note, RPMs *may not* be ready, because I (and Magnus) >> will be >> > at PGDay Turkey on 12th, and will be busy over the whole weekend). >> >> Is that a closed meeting? I hadn't seen any mention of that anywhere. > > Not that much. I've been tweeting about that (in Turkish, sorry) and > sending out announcements to local mailing lists for quite some time, > but we not able to finalize the venue until last week. This is the 2nd > one after last year. I will do a wider announcement next time, I promise > -- and the new event submission policy on postgresql.org raised a > barrier against adding an item to the website, but that is more a -www > topic. Uh, are you referring to the policy at http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/NewsEventsApproval? I don't see anything there that would exclude this. > (Oh, and you need to have the secret key to enter the meeting.) I think Simon can be included in the group of people who can be accepted with just the secret handshake, no? -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/