Thread: PostgreSQL 8.5 Open Items
I'm not sure whether we ever posted this schedule anywhere official - if so, I can't find it - but my understanding is that we have consensus on the release schedule described here: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-09/msg01251.php Under this schedule, the last CommitFest for the 8.5 release will start 3 weeks from today. As I think many of us remember, the last CommitFest for 8.4 was extremely long and was followed by some amount of further delay before we were able to go to beta. I believe that we have made a lot of progress in how we manage CommitFests this release cycle, and I am fairly confident that we will be able to wrap up the last CommitFest in a timely fashion. I am personally committed to doing whatever I can to make sure that happens and hereby volunteer to manage the last CommitFest, unless someone else would like to take a crack at it, in which case by all means feel free. The open items list is a source of somewhat more concern for me, because while patches can be bounced if we run out of time, open items don't just go away. I've added two items I know about here: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.5_Open_Items I would encourage anyone else who is aware of open items to begin adding them to this list, adding sections as necessary. Last time around, we ended up assembling our initial list from a dump of one of Bruce's mail folders. I'm not sure whether that's the best way to go about it, but if we're going to do it that way, we should do it SOON, so that we start to get an idea what the must-fix issues are before we get down to the wire. We have a little time on any issues that are must-fix for the final release, but the scheduled gap between alpha4 and beta1 is quite short, so anything that is must-fix for beta is something we need to start thinking about soon. We can't do that, though, until we first have a list of items and a decision about which ones fall into that category. Merry Christmas, ...Robert
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure whether we ever posted this schedule anywhere official - > if so, I can't find it - but my understanding is that we have > consensus on the release schedule described here: > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-09/msg01251.php > > Under this schedule, the last CommitFest for the 8.5 release will > start 3 weeks from today. As I think many of us remember, the last > CommitFest for 8.4 was extremely long and was followed by some amount > of further delay before we were able to go to beta. I believe that we > have made a lot of progress in how we manage CommitFests this release > cycle, and I am fairly confident that we will be able to wrap up the > last CommitFest in a timely fashion. I am personally committed to > doing whatever I can to make sure that happens and hereby volunteer to > manage the last CommitFest, unless someone else would like to take a > crack at it, in which case by all means feel free. > > The open items list is a source of somewhat more concern for me, > because while patches can be bounced if we run out of time, open items > don't just go away. I've added two items I know about here: > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.5_Open_Items > > I would encourage anyone else who is aware of open items to begin > adding them to this list, adding sections as necessary. Last time > around, we ended up assembling our initial list from a dump of one of > Bruce's mail folders. I'm not sure whether that's the best way to go > about it, but if we're going to do it that way, we should do it SOON, > so that we start to get an idea what the must-fix issues are before we > get down to the wire. We have a little time on any issues that are > must-fix for the final release, but the scheduled gap between alpha4 > and beta1 is quite short, so anything that is must-fix for beta is > something we need to start thinking about soon. We can't do that, > though, until we first have a list of items and a decision about which > ones fall into that category. I was slightly surprised not to get any responses to this email. Alvaro added one or two things to the page mentioned above, and I added the bugs I posted about yesterday, but that's it. Are there really no other open issues for 8.5? That would be great, but I am concerned that there may be other things that people just haven't gotten around to mentioning yet. Also, should I assume that the silence in response to this email indicates that everyone likes the plan where I manage the next CommitFest? Thanks, ...Robert
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 16:47, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm not sure whether we ever posted this schedule anywhere official - >> if so, I can't find it - but my understanding is that we have >> consensus on the release schedule described here: >> >> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-09/msg01251.php >> >> Under this schedule, the last CommitFest for the 8.5 release will >> start 3 weeks from today. As I think many of us remember, the last >> CommitFest for 8.4 was extremely long and was followed by some amount >> of further delay before we were able to go to beta. I believe that we >> have made a lot of progress in how we manage CommitFests this release >> cycle, and I am fairly confident that we will be able to wrap up the >> last CommitFest in a timely fashion. I am personally committed to >> doing whatever I can to make sure that happens and hereby volunteer to >> manage the last CommitFest, unless someone else would like to take a >> crack at it, in which case by all means feel free. >> >> The open items list is a source of somewhat more concern for me, >> because while patches can be bounced if we run out of time, open items >> don't just go away. I've added two items I know about here: >> >> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.5_Open_Items >> >> I would encourage anyone else who is aware of open items to begin >> adding them to this list, adding sections as necessary. Last time >> around, we ended up assembling our initial list from a dump of one of >> Bruce's mail folders. I'm not sure whether that's the best way to go >> about it, but if we're going to do it that way, we should do it SOON, >> so that we start to get an idea what the must-fix issues are before we >> get down to the wire. We have a little time on any issues that are >> must-fix for the final release, but the scheduled gap between alpha4 >> and beta1 is quite short, so anything that is must-fix for beta is >> something we need to start thinking about soon. We can't do that, >> though, until we first have a list of items and a decision about which >> ones fall into that category. > > I was slightly surprised not to get any responses to this email. > Alvaro added one or two things to the page mentioned above, and I > added the bugs I posted about yesterday, but that's it. Are there > really no other open issues for 8.5? That would be great, but I am > concerned that there may be other things that people just haven't > gotten around to mentioning yet. Well, I have a couple of things in the win64 stuff still to go, but that patch is active on a CF page still, so I haven't added it to the list yet... > Also, should I assume that the silence in response to this email > indicates that everyone likes the plan where I manage the next > CommitFest? Certainly +n from me :-) -- Magnus HaganderMe: http://www.hagander.net/Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 16:47, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm not sure whether we ever posted this schedule anywhere official - >>> if so, I can't find it - but my understanding is that we have >>> consensus on the release schedule described here: >>> >>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-09/msg01251.php >>> >>> Under this schedule, the last CommitFest for the 8.5 release will >>> start 3 weeks from today. As I think many of us remember, the last >>> CommitFest for 8.4 was extremely long and was followed by some amount >>> of further delay before we were able to go to beta. I believe that we >>> have made a lot of progress in how we manage CommitFests this release >>> cycle, and I am fairly confident that we will be able to wrap up the >>> last CommitFest in a timely fashion. I am personally committed to >>> doing whatever I can to make sure that happens and hereby volunteer to >>> manage the last CommitFest, unless someone else would like to take a >>> crack at it, in which case by all means feel free. >>> >>> The open items list is a source of somewhat more concern for me, >>> because while patches can be bounced if we run out of time, open items >>> don't just go away. I've added two items I know about here: >>> >>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_8.5_Open_Items >>> >>> I would encourage anyone else who is aware of open items to begin >>> adding them to this list, adding sections as necessary. Last time >>> around, we ended up assembling our initial list from a dump of one of >>> Bruce's mail folders. I'm not sure whether that's the best way to go >>> about it, but if we're going to do it that way, we should do it SOON, >>> so that we start to get an idea what the must-fix issues are before we >>> get down to the wire. We have a little time on any issues that are >>> must-fix for the final release, but the scheduled gap between alpha4 >>> and beta1 is quite short, so anything that is must-fix for beta is >>> something we need to start thinking about soon. We can't do that, >>> though, until we first have a list of items and a decision about which >>> ones fall into that category. >> >> I was slightly surprised not to get any responses to this email. >> Alvaro added one or two things to the page mentioned above, and I >> added the bugs I posted about yesterday, but that's it. Are there >> really no other open issues for 8.5? That would be great, but I am >> concerned that there may be other things that people just haven't >> gotten around to mentioning yet. > > Well, I have a couple of things in the win64 stuff still to go, but > that patch is active on a CF page still, so I haven't added it to the > list yet... Yeah, I'm not worried about the patches on the CF page. I have confidence we'll be able to kill all those off - we can commit them, postpone them, or reject them. What I'm worried about is people showing up at the last minute and saying "we can't release until we decide what to do about these 20 issues". I don't want to wait until late February to have that conversation. >> Also, should I assume that the silence in response to this email >> indicates that everyone likes the plan where I manage the next >> CommitFest? > > Certainly +n from me :-) Hopefully n>0. ...Robert
Bruce, Have you looked at this? Are there no other Open Items? --Josh
Robert Haas wrote: > Are there > really no other open issues for 8.5? That would be great, but I am > concerned that there may be other things that people just haven't > gotten around to mentioning yet. Well, there's still a number of items on the Hot Standby TODO list. https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby_TODO As everyone who has followed the discussions know by now, I also consider the inability to start hot standby from a shutdown checkpoint as a must-fix issue. > Also, should I assume that the silence in response to this email > indicates that everyone likes the plan where I manage the next > CommitFest? +1 -- Heikki Linnakangas EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Thursday 07 January 2010 20:58:10 Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > Robert Haas wrote: > > Are there > > really no other open issues for 8.5? That would be great, but I am > > concerned that there may be other things that people just haven't > > gotten around to mentioning yet. > > Well, there's still a number of items on the Hot Standby TODO list. > > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Hot_Standby_TODO > > As everyone who has followed the discussions know by now, I also > consider the inability to start hot standby from a shutdown checkpoint > as a must-fix issue. I do as well. What exactly where the problems (beside Simon seemingly disliking it) with the solution you proposed some time ago? Andres
Josh Berkus wrote: > Bruce, > > Have you looked at this? Are there no other Open Items? I have 2k emails that I need to go through to see what I have kept as open. I am working on pg_migrator stuff at the moment. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> Bruce, >> >> Have you looked at this? Are there no other Open Items? > > I have 2k emails that I need to go through to see what I have kept as > open. I am working on pg_migrator stuff at the moment. I am totally confused. This is exactly what we went through with 8.4.We really need to finalize the list of items as soonas possible. Of course it may get added to later, but as long as it exists only in your email nobody else can work on it. It seems like you're asking us to hold up the release until you have time to sort through your email, and then as much time after that as it takes to address whatever you may find in the process of going through it. That doesn't seem very reasonable. Maybe that wasn't your intent? ...Robert
On tor, 2010-01-07 at 17:18 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Bruce, > >> > >> Have you looked at this? Are there no other Open Items? > > > > I have 2k emails that I need to go through to see what I have kept as > > open. I am working on pg_migrator stuff at the moment. > > I am totally confused. This is exactly what we went through with 8.4. > We really need to finalize the list of items as soon as possible. Of > course it may get added to later, but as long as it exists only in > your email nobody else can work on it. It seems like you're asking us > to hold up the release until you have time to sort through your email, It sounded more like you asking Bruce whether he would like to hold up the release.
Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Bruce, > >> > >> Have you looked at this? ?Are there no other Open Items? > > > > I have 2k emails that I need to go through to see what I have kept as > > open. ?I am working on pg_migrator stuff at the moment. > > I am totally confused. This is exactly what we went through with 8.4. > We really need to finalize the list of items as soon as possible. Of > course it may get added to later, but as long as it exists only in > your email nobody else can work on it. It seems like you're asking us > to hold up the release until you have time to sort through your email, > and then as much time after that as it takes to address whatever you > may find in the process of going through it. That doesn't seem very > reasonable. Maybe that wasn't your intent? It's my mailbox --- it is my time to decide when to look at it, or not. There is nothing private about its contents. You can do whatever you want with the release schedule. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > It's my mailbox --- it is my time to decide when to look at it, or not. Absolutely. > There is nothing private about its contents. Understood. > You can do whatever you want with the release schedule. I should be so lucky. :-) I'm sorry if this comes across as antagonistic. That's not my intent. ...Robert
Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > It's my mailbox --- it is my time to decide when to look at it, or not. > > Absolutely. > > > There is nothing private about its contents. > > Understood. > > > You can do whatever you want with the release schedule. > > I should be so lucky. :-) > > I'm sorry if this comes across as antagonistic. That's not my intent. I will say I have no trips planned for the next three months so I hope to be able to address all the open issues for 8.5 in a timely manner. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +