Thread: Postgres 7.3 announcement on postgresql.org
There isn't one! Chris
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > There isn't one! > > Chris No kidding. I propose changes to the following pages: <http://www14.us.postgresql.org/>: Prominent mention of the latest stable and unstable releases (just stable now, of course). But since this seems to be kind of a repeat of the news page, maybe an announcement also. <http://www14.us.postgresql.org/news.html>: Announcement of each of the betas, release candidates, and the final release now. <http://developer.postgresql.org/index.php>: Mention that 7.3 has been released, where it says it has entered release candidate phase 2 now. <http://developer.postgresql.org/beta.php>: page marked as obselete until the 7.4 cycle begins. (Instead of just broken, as it is now.) <http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/>: Announcement that it will be switching over to the 7.3 docs soon and later switching, like was done with 7.1->7.2 IIRC. Is the website in CVS somewhere? I might put together a patch if so... I mentioned this around RC1 time and got no response. Really, I think that people would have tested it more if they knew about it. And the web page is the first place I go to find out about a piece of software. The mailing lists are not enough IMNSHO. Thanks for a great piece of software...but please tell people about it! Scott
Christopher Kings-Lynne writes: > There isn't one! Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual places that I monitor. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e@gmx.net> To: "Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au> Cc: <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Postgres 7.3 announcement on postgresql.org > Christopher Kings-Lynne writes: > > > There isn't one! > > Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual > places that I monitor. It has been announced on the announce mailing list and in the eweek article... It's downloadable from the advocacy site... Chris
Christopher Kings-Lynne writes: > It has been announced on the announce mailing list and in the eweek > article... It's downloadable from the advocacy site... Yeah, that'll let the world know. -- Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes:
> Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual
> places that I monitor.
Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that
copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general
though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ...
regards, tom lane
> Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual > > places that I monitor. > > Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that > copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general > though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ... You're right - I only got it thru -general. Chris
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual > > places that I monitor. > > Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that > copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general > though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ... After alot of searching I did find it. It wasn't exactly what one would expect a PostgreSQL release announcement to look like. Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
> > Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that > > copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general > > though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ... > > After alot of searching I did find it. It wasn't exactly what one would > expect a PostgreSQL release announcement to look like. Huh? I thought it was the best one yet! The quotes, the example cases and large users, links to advocacy and HISTORY. It was excellent. A better emphasis on marketing as well as technical improvements. Chris
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that > > > copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general > > > though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ... > > > > After alot of searching I did find it. It wasn't exactly what one would > > expect a PostgreSQL release announcement to look like. > > Huh? I thought it was the best one yet! The quotes, the example cases and > large users, links to advocacy and HISTORY. It was excellent. A better > emphasis on marketing as well as technical improvements. Glad you liked it. But that doesn't change the fact that it obscured the release to the point that many people didn't even know it was released. I found out by folks complaining about broken links. Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
> Glad you liked it. But that doesn't change the fact that it obscured the
> release to the point that many people didn't even know it was released.
> I found out by folks complaining about broken links.
Hrm - the subject said it all, plus what about the first 2 paragraphs?
" PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces Version 7.3"
"The PostgreSQL Global Development Group proudly announces the
release of version 7.3 of the PostgreSQL object-relational database
management system (ORDBMS). PostgreSQL, the world's most advanced
open source database, provides solutions for many of the most demanding
applications in use today, saving businesses and governments millions
of dollars each year."
Maybe the user comments can be moved until after the 7.3 feature list?
Chris
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > Glad you liked it. But that doesn't change the fact that it obscured the > > release to the point that many people didn't even know it was released. > > I found out by folks complaining about broken links. > > Hrm - the subject said it all, plus what about the first 2 paragraphs? > > " PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces Version 7.3" > > "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group proudly announces the > release of version 7.3 of the PostgreSQL object-relational database > management system (ORDBMS). PostgreSQL, the world's most advanced > open source database, provides solutions for many of the most demanding > applications in use today, saving businesses and governments millions > of dollars each year." > > Maybe the user comments can be moved until after the 7.3 feature list? First things first. In pine, the "announcement" looked like this in the index: 17096 Nov 28 PostgreSQL Public (6733) [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Developm I see nothing about 7.3 there. When skimming the mailbox, that's what I see. I didn't see the actual message until AFTER went looking for it. When I did find it, this is what I saw when I opened it: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release November 28th, 2002 Contacts: Justin Clift justin@postgresql.org +61.3 9363 1313 (Australia) Marc Fournier scrappy@postgresql.org +1.902 542 0713 (Canada) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, it's gotta be the best one yet. Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
> When I did find it, this is what I saw when I opened it: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For Immediate Release November 28th, 2002 > > Contacts: > Justin Clift > justin@postgresql.org > +61.3 9363 1313 (Australia) > > Marc Fournier > scrappy@postgresql.org > +1.902 542 0713 (Canada) Scroll down and read the rest of, it's an excellent announcement! If the website and mirrors made mention of the release (as of 8:19PM CST they don't!) and the message was sent to all the mailing lists, there would probably be less confusion. When I read the announcement I was very impressed and went straight to www.postgresql.org. Once I got there, I wondered if maybe the announcement had been sent by accident! -r -- Ryan Mahoney ryan@flowlabs.com (718)721-8790 "Tomorrow's Company. Today's Budget." http://www.flowlabs.com
FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those subjects i was missing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > > Glad you liked it. But that doesn't change the fact that it obscured the > > > release to the point that many people didn't even know it was released. > > > I found out by folks complaining about broken links. > > > > Hrm - the subject said it all, plus what about the first 2 paragraphs? > > > > " PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces Version 7.3" > > > > "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group proudly announces the > > release of version 7.3 of the PostgreSQL object-relational database > > management system (ORDBMS). PostgreSQL, the world's most advanced > > open source database, provides solutions for many of the most demanding > > applications in use today, saving businesses and governments millions > > of dollars each year." > > > > Maybe the user comments can be moved until after the 7.3 feature list? > > First things first. In pine, the "announcement" looked like this in the > index: > > 17096 Nov 28 PostgreSQL Public (6733) [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Developm > > I see nothing about 7.3 there. When skimming the mailbox, that's what I > see. I didn't see the actual message until AFTER went looking for it. > > When I did find it, this is what I saw when I opened it: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For Immediate Release November 28th, 2002 > > Contacts: > Justin Clift > justin@postgresql.org > +61.3 9363 1313 (Australia) > > Marc Fournier > scrappy@postgresql.org > +1.902 542 0713 (Canada) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Yep, it's gotta be the best one yet. > > Vince. > -- > http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com > Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio. > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
On 29 Nov 2002, Ryan Mahoney wrote: > Scroll down and read the rest of, it's an excellent announcement! If > the website and mirrors made mention of the release (as of 8:19PM CST > they don't!) and the message was sent to all the mailing lists, there > would probably be less confusion. When I read the announcement I was > very impressed and went straight to www.postgresql.org. Once I got > there, I wondered if maybe the announcement had been sent by accident! When I'm looking for content in a message if I don't find it in the first few lines or even on the first page, I move on. But like I said, had you really bothered to read it, it did not resemble a traditional release announcement. I don't intend to debate this any further. I've just about filtered the junk out of the announcement and should have it on the website in a few mins. Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 > column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those > subjects i was missing. Doesn't do me much good if too often I don't have the luxury of a large screen 'cuze I'm reading from a remote site with horrible resolution or just an 80x25 screen. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > > > > Glad you liked it. But that doesn't change the fact that it obscured the > > > > release to the point that many people didn't even know it was released. > > > > I found out by folks complaining about broken links. > > > > > > Hrm - the subject said it all, plus what about the first 2 paragraphs? > > > > > > " PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces Version 7.3" > > > > > > "The PostgreSQL Global Development Group proudly announces the > > > release of version 7.3 of the PostgreSQL object-relational database > > > management system (ORDBMS). PostgreSQL, the world's most advanced > > > open source database, provides solutions for many of the most demanding > > > applications in use today, saving businesses and governments millions > > > of dollars each year." > > > > > > Maybe the user comments can be moved until after the 7.3 feature list? > > > > First things first. In pine, the "announcement" looked like this in the > > index: > > > > 17096 Nov 28 PostgreSQL Public (6733) [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Developm > > > > I see nothing about 7.3 there. When skimming the mailbox, that's what I > > see. I didn't see the actual message until AFTER went looking for it. > > > > When I did find it, this is what I saw when I opened it: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > For Immediate Release November 28th, 2002 > > > > Contacts: > > Justin Clift > > justin@postgresql.org > > +61.3 9363 1313 (Australia) > > > > Marc Fournier > > scrappy@postgresql.org > > +1.902 542 0713 (Canada) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yep, it's gotta be the best one yet. > > > > Vince. > > -- > > http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com > > Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster > > > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 > Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 > > column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those > > subjects i was missing. > > Doesn't do me much good if too often I don't have the luxury of a large > screen 'cuze I'm reading from a remote site with horrible resolution or > just an 80x25 screen. Would a better subject line, fitting in the smaller default width, have been something like: PostgreSQL 7.3 Released! by the PostgreSQL Global Development Group So hopefully it would look something like: 17096 Nov 28 PostgreSQL Public (6733) [GENERAL] PostgreSQL 7.3 Released! b Am thinking that regardless of the wording of the release, it doesn't hurt us to do simple things like re-arranging the Subject line to make things a bit more obvious. ? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Justin Clift wrote: > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 > > > column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those > > > subjects i was missing. > > > > Doesn't do me much good if too often I don't have the luxury of a large > > screen 'cuze I'm reading from a remote site with horrible resolution or > > just an 80x25 screen. > > Would a better subject line, fitting in the smaller default width, have > been something like: > > PostgreSQL 7.3 Released! by the PostgreSQL Global Development Group > > So hopefully it would look something like: > > 17096 Nov 28 PostgreSQL Public (6733) [GENERAL] PostgreSQL 7.3 > Released! b > > Am thinking that regardless of the wording of the release, it doesn't > hurt us to do simple things like re-arranging the Subject line to make > things a bit more obvious. Yes it would. But while on the subject, why did you only mention it's availability being on the advocacy site? Are the ftp and website mirrors now irrelevant to you? Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
Vince Vielhaber wrote: <snip> > Yes it would. But while on the subject, why did you only mention it's > availability being on the advocacy site? *We* mentioned it's availability being on the Advocacy site, because it gives people a single place to go that has both PostgreSQL itself *and* a site that's dedicated to giving a clear list of features, advantages, case studies, etc. This Press Release was created to give a clear path to PostgreSQL usage for new users (i.e. initial interest -> place to find out about it -> advantages, cast studies, etc) > Are the ftp and website mirrors now irrelevant to you? Not sure what you mean here. Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > Vince. > -- > http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com > Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio. -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 23:32, Justin Clift wrote: > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > <snip> > > Yes it would. But while on the subject, why did you only mention it's > > availability being on the advocacy site? > > *We* mentioned it's availability being on the Advocacy site, because it > gives people a single place to go that has both PostgreSQL itself *and* > a site that's dedicated to giving a clear list of features, advantages, > case studies, etc. But why duplicate the "download PostgreSQL" page on advocacy? ISTM a link to the appropriate page on the main website would be fine -- and if the "download PostgreSQL" stuff on the main website isn't perfect, then we should improve it (and fix the underlying problem), rather than duplicating content on advocacy.postgresql.org > > Are the ftp and website mirrors now irrelevant to you? > > Not sure what you mean here. He probably means that on http://advocacy.postgresql.org/download/, you only have direct links to [www|ftp].postgresql.org, not any of the mirror sites. Cheers, Neil -- Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com> || PGP Key ID: DB3C29FC
Neil Conway wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 23:32, Justin Clift wrote: > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > <snip> > > > Yes it would. But while on the subject, why did you only mention it's > > > availability being on the advocacy site? > > > > *We* mentioned it's availability being on the Advocacy site, because it > > gives people a single place to go that has both PostgreSQL itself *and* > > a site that's dedicated to giving a clear list of features, advantages, > > case studies, etc. > > But why duplicate the "download PostgreSQL" page on advocacy? ISTM a > link to the appropriate page on the main website would be fine -- and if > the "download PostgreSQL" stuff on the main website isn't perfect, then > we should improve it (and fix the underlying problem), rather than > duplicating content on advocacy.postgresql.org Why does our master web site still have 7.2.3 listed as the most recent release? http://www.ca.postgresql.org/sitess.html In fact, the link mentioned on the main web page points to the mirror page, not to any place to download it. If I choose FTP mirrors, that works. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Neil Conway wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 23:32, Justin Clift wrote: > > > Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > Yes it would. But while on the subject, why did you only mention it's > > > > availability being on the advocacy site? > > > > > > *We* mentioned it's availability being on the Advocacy site, because it > > > gives people a single place to go that has both PostgreSQL itself *and* > > > a site that's dedicated to giving a clear list of features, advantages, > > > case studies, etc. > > > > But why duplicate the "download PostgreSQL" page on advocacy? ISTM a > > link to the appropriate page on the main website would be fine -- and if > > the "download PostgreSQL" stuff on the main website isn't perfect, then > > we should improve it (and fix the underlying problem), rather than > > duplicating content on advocacy.postgresql.org > > Why does our master web site still have 7.2.3 listed as the most recent > release? > > http://www.ca.postgresql.org/sitess.html > > In fact, the link mentioned on the main web page points to the mirror > page, not to any place to download it. If I choose FTP mirrors, that > works. Rather than bitch about it, why don't you just ask? Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> writes: > > Has there been a release? It certainly hasn't been announced in the usual > > places that I monitor. > > Marc claimed he'd put out the announcement on pgsql-announce, but that > copy of the message never arrived here (it did show up on pgsql-general > though). Evidently you and Vince never got it either ... I'll resend it (albeit late), but I know I did go in and approve the posting to -annouce within seconds of sending it :(
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 > > column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those > > subjects i was missing. > > Doesn't do me much good if too often I don't have the luxury of a large > screen 'cuze I'm reading from a remote site with horrible resolution or > just an 80x25 screen. Sorry, but definitely sounds like a personal problem here :( The press release was extensively discussed on the -advocacy mailing list, and *repeatedly* Josh and Robert asked for feedback on it ... you are right, I could have shorten'd the subject a wee bit, error on my part that I will try not to repeat in the future ...
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > FYI, Vince, I started reading all my email (using elm) in a special 120 > > > column wide, 38 row xterm. There was just too much detail in those > > > subjects i was missing. > > > > Doesn't do me much good if too often I don't have the luxury of a large > > screen 'cuze I'm reading from a remote site with horrible resolution or > > just an 80x25 screen. > > Sorry, but definitely sounds like a personal problem here :( The press > release was extensively discussed on the -advocacy mailing list, and > *repeatedly* Josh and Robert asked for feedback on it ... you are right, I > could have shorten'd the subject a wee bit, error on my part that I will > try not to repeat in the future ... I'm not on the advocacy list, nor do I want to be. Alot of people watch hackers for things like release notices. Why send a sales oriented document that was written for people who know nothing about postgresql to hackers anyway? Save the fluff for the other lists and send a normal announcement here. BTW, I got the copy of the announcement that went to the ANNOUNCE list. I'm guessing most folks blew it off as junkmail due to it's format. Vince. -- http://www.meanstreamradio.com http://www.unknown-artists.com Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it'sjust radio.