Thread: PostgreSQL & the BSD License
Hi ...
PostgreSQL, 4 years ago, became a Proudly Canadian Open Source Project,
with developers around the world (16 out of ~21 contributing developers
being non-US citizens). Over those 4 years, we've had various people pop
up suggesting "we should be under a GPL license", to which the almost
instantaneous reply being "over our combined dead bodies".
Everyone has their own opinions about both the GPL and the BSD licenses,
with the religious arguments between the two being as "interesting" as
those between Linux and FreeBSD ...
We all have our preferences, and we can argue those until we are blue in
the face, but that would make little differences. PostgreSQL falls under
the BSD license, and that will not change ... it is the license that
Berkeley imposed on Postgres from day one, it is the license that Jolly
and Andrew handed the code over to us under, and it is the one that
PostgreSQL itself will impose until "the end of time".
Recently, Landmark/Great Bridge sent us a proposed revision to our
existing license that, from what I can tell, has two paragraphs that
pretty instantly none of the non-US developers felt comfortable with ...
and that I, personally, could never agree to.
I've read, and re-read, this license since the first time I saw it ... I
like the extension of the 'liability/warranty' sections to encompass "all
developers" vs it just encompassing "University of Berkeley", and am
shocked that we never thought of this before, as well as pleased that our
new community members (L/GB) took the time to contribute this ...
Included below is what I would like to replace our current COPYRIGHT file
with, unless any of the developers have any serious concerns about it
and/or I've mis-read something in it that "loses" the BSD License appeal
to it. I do not believe that *extending* the license reduces/blemishes
the BSD openness of the license ... maybe I'm wrong ...
IMHO, the current COPYRIGHT we have is/was only good until 1996, when we
took over the code ... what is included doesn't change the terms or
meaning of the COPYRIGHT, it only extends it to cover those developing the
code from '96 on ...
I wish to publicly thank Landmark/Great Bridge for providing the basis for
these changes, as their contribution has provided us with a direction to
focus on, instead of the usual "we need to change the license" that
happens bi-yearly, and then dies off with no change ...
I would like to plug this in early next week, unless someone can see
something major that makes them feel uncomfortable ...
Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
===========================================================================
PostgreSQL Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres95)
This directory contains the _______ release of PostgreSQL, as well as
various post-release patches in the patches directory. See INSTALL for
the installation notes and HISTORY for the changes.
We also have a WWW home page located at: http://www.postgreSQL.org
-------------------------
PostgreSQL is not public domain software. It is copyrighted by the
University of California but may be used according to the following
licensing terms:
POSTGRES95 Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres, then
as Postgres95).
Copyright (c) 1994-6 Regents of the University of California
Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written
agreement is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and
this paragraph and the following two paragraphs appear in all copies.
IN NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR
DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING
LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS
DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF
THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES,
INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY
AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS
ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO OBLIGATIONS
TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS.
-------------------------
Copyright ( 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 by various contributors (as
identified in HISTORY) (collectively "Developers") which may be used
according to the following licensing terms:
Worldwide permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software
and its documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written
agreement is hereby granted, on a non-exclusive basis, provided that the
above copyright notice, this paragraph and the following paragraphs appear
in all copies:
IN NO EVENT SHALL ANY DEVELOPER BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR DIRECT,
INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING,
WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE
AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
THE DEVELOPERS SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NEED, OR QUALITY, AND ANY IMPLIED
WARRANTY FROM COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE. IN ADDITION, THERE IS
NO IMPLIED WARRANTY AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH ENJOYMENT OR AGAINST
INFRINGEMENT. THE SOFTWARE AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS ON AN
"AS IS" BASIS. NO DEVELOPER HAS ANY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE,
SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO OR FOR THE SOFTWARE OR
DOCUMENTATION.
BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO
NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS SOFTWARE.
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Hi ... > > PostgreSQL, 4 years ago, became a Proudly Canadian Open Source Project, > with developers around the world (16 out of ~21 contributing developers > being non-US citizens). Over those 4 years, we've had various people pop > up suggesting "we should be under a GPL license", to which the almost > instantaneous reply being "over our combined dead bodies". > ... > =========================================================================== > > PostgreSQL Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres95) > > This directory contains the _______ release of PostgreSQL, as well as > various post-release patches in the patches directory. See INSTALL for > the installation notes and HISTORY for the changes. > > We also have a WWW home page located at: http://www.postgreSQL.org > > ------------------------- > > PostgreSQL is not public domain software. It is copyrighted by the > University of California but may be used according to the following > licensing terms: > > POSTGRES95 Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres, then > as Postgres95). > > Copyright (c) 1994-6 Regents of the University of California > > Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its > documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > agreement is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and > this paragraph and the following two paragraphs appear in all copies. > > IN NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR > DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING > LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS > DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF > THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES, > INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY > AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS > ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO OBLIGATIONS > TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS. > > ------------------------- > > Copyright ( 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 by various contributors (as > identified in HISTORY) (collectively "Developers") which may be used > according to the following licensing terms: > > Worldwide permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software > and its documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > agreement is hereby granted, on a non-exclusive basis, provided that the > above copyright notice, this paragraph and the following paragraphs appear > in all copies: > > IN NO EVENT SHALL ANY DEVELOPER BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR DIRECT, > INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING, > WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE > AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > THE DEVELOPERS SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, > FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NEED, OR QUALITY, AND ANY IMPLIED > WARRANTY FROM COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE. IN ADDITION, THERE IS > NO IMPLIED WARRANTY AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH ENJOYMENT OR AGAINST > INFRINGEMENT. THE SOFTWARE AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS ON AN > "AS IS" BASIS. NO DEVELOPER HAS ANY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, > SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO OR FOR THE SOFTWARE OR > DOCUMENTATION. > > BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO > NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS SOFTWARE. Perfect. Mike Mascari
The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> I would like to plug this in early next week, unless someone can see
> something major that makes them feel uncomfortable ...
What are you trying to do Marc, foreclose a full discussion? I think
this is *way* premature.
regards, tom lane
The Hermit Hacker writes: > I've read, and re-read, this license since the first time I saw it ... I > like the extension of the 'liability/warranty' sections to encompass "all > developers" vs it just encompassing "University of Berkeley", and am > shocked that we never thought of this before, That's not true. I recall several separate occasions this was brought up in the past. But anyway... I support the spirit of your suggestion, but just a couple of ideas: 1) The copyright notice from the current developers should come first. It should read something like: "PostgreSQL ... Copyright 2000 whoever Contains code from Postgres95, which is subject to the following conditions: Copyright 1996 UCB ..." 2) "various contributors (as identified in HISTORY)" -- Don't do that. What if someone forks the project and renames HISTORY to PASTPRESENTANDFUTURE? Use something like "all contributors". Also note that the HISTORY file doesn't actually identify the contributors sufficiently. 3) Use the same disclaimer that the UCB used, unless you have a good reason to change the wording. 4) "BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS SOFTWARE." -- This is not enforceable. If you want to get at this point (for which I see no reason), use something like GPL section 5. 5) There also should be a mention that some parts of the distribution may be subject to other conditions, which are identified near that "part". > =========================================================================== > > > PostgreSQL Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres95) > > This directory contains the _______ release of PostgreSQL, as well as > various post-release patches in the patches directory. See INSTALL for > the installation notes and HISTORY for the changes. > > We also have a WWW home page located at: http://www.postgreSQL.org > > ------------------------- > > PostgreSQL is not public domain software. It is copyrighted by the > University of California but may be used according to the following > licensing terms: > > POSTGRES95 Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres, then > as Postgres95). > > Copyright (c) 1994-6 Regents of the University of California > > Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its > documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > agreement is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and > this paragraph and the following two paragraphs appear in all copies. > > IN NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR > DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING > LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS > DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF > THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES, > INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY > AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS > ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO OBLIGATIONS > TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS. > > ------------------------- > > Copyright ( 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 by various contributors (as > identified in HISTORY) (collectively "Developers") which may be used > according to the following licensing terms: > > Worldwide permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software > and its documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > agreement is hereby granted, on a non-exclusive basis, provided that the > above copyright notice, this paragraph and the following paragraphs appear > in all copies: > > IN NO EVENT SHALL ANY DEVELOPER BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR DIRECT, > INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING, > WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE > AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > THE DEVELOPERS SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, > FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NEED, OR QUALITY, AND ANY IMPLIED > WARRANTY FROM COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE. IN ADDITION, THERE IS > NO IMPLIED WARRANTY AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH ENJOYMENT OR AGAINST > INFRINGEMENT. THE SOFTWARE AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS ON AN > "AS IS" BASIS. NO DEVELOPER HAS ANY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, > SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO OR FOR THE SOFTWARE OR > DOCUMENTATION. > > BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO > NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS SOFTWARE. > > > > > -- Peter Eisentraut Sernanders väg 10:115 peter_e@gmx.net 75262 Uppsala http://yi.org/peter-e/ Sweden
as mentioned by another person, it appears that the problem isn't with the copyright, the problem is us :( BSD *has* already done all the revisons to the copyright, we've just never upgraded ours to match theirs ... I posted, in another thread, a proposed updated COPYRIGHT file based off of http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.html ... On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > The Hermit Hacker writes: > > > I've read, and re-read, this license since the first time I saw it ... I > > like the extension of the 'liability/warranty' sections to encompass "all > > developers" vs it just encompassing "University of Berkeley", and am > > shocked that we never thought of this before, > > That's not true. I recall several separate occasions this was brought up > in the past. But anyway... > > I support the spirit of your suggestion, but just a couple of ideas: > > 1) The copyright notice from the current developers should come first. It > should read something like: > > "PostgreSQL ... Copyright 2000 whoever > > Contains code from Postgres95, which is subject to the following > conditions: > > Copyright 1996 UCB ..." > > 2) "various contributors (as identified in HISTORY)" -- Don't do that. > What if someone forks the project and renames HISTORY to > PASTPRESENTANDFUTURE? Use something like "all contributors". Also note > that the HISTORY file doesn't actually identify the contributors > sufficiently. > > 3) Use the same disclaimer that the UCB used, unless you have a good > reason to change the wording. > > 4) "BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF > YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS > SOFTWARE." -- This is not enforceable. If you want to get at this point > (for which I see no reason), use something like GPL section 5. > > 5) There also should be a mention that some parts of the distribution may > be subject to other conditions, which are identified near that "part". > > > > > =========================================================================== > > > > > > PostgreSQL Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres95) > > > > This directory contains the _______ release of PostgreSQL, as well as > > various post-release patches in the patches directory. See INSTALL for > > the installation notes and HISTORY for the changes. > > > > We also have a WWW home page located at: http://www.postgreSQL.org > > > > ------------------------- > > > > PostgreSQL is not public domain software. It is copyrighted by the > > University of California but may be used according to the following > > licensing terms: > > > > POSTGRES95 Data Base Management System (formerly known as Postgres, then > > as Postgres95). > > > > Copyright (c) 1994-6 Regents of the University of California > > > > Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its > > documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > > agreement is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and > > this paragraph and the following two paragraphs appear in all copies. > > > > IN NO EVENT SHALL THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR > > DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING > > LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS > > DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF > > THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > > > THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES, > > INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY > > AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS > > ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO OBLIGATIONS > > TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS. > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Copyright ( 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 by various contributors (as > > identified in HISTORY) (collectively "Developers") which may be used > > according to the following licensing terms: > > > > Worldwide permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software > > and its documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written > > agreement is hereby granted, on a non-exclusive basis, provided that the > > above copyright notice, this paragraph and the following paragraphs appear > > in all copies: > > > > IN NO EVENT SHALL ANY DEVELOPER BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR DIRECT, > > INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING, > > WITHOUT LIMITATION, LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE > > AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE > > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. > > > > THE DEVELOPERS SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED > > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, > > FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NEED, OR QUALITY, AND ANY IMPLIED > > WARRANTY FROM COURSE OF DEALING OR USAGE OF TRADE. IN ADDITION, THERE IS > > NO IMPLIED WARRANTY AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH ENJOYMENT OR AGAINST > > INFRINGEMENT. THE SOFTWARE AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS ON AN > > "AS IS" BASIS. NO DEVELOPER HAS ANY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, > > SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO OR FOR THE SOFTWARE OR > > DOCUMENTATION. > > > > BY USING THIS SOFTWARE YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO > > NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU SHOULD NOT USE THIS SOFTWARE. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Peter Eisentraut Sernanders v�g 10:115 > peter_e@gmx.net 75262 Uppsala > http://yi.org/peter-e/ Sweden > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > as mentioned by another person, it appears that the problem isn't with the > copyright, the problem is us :( BSD *has* already done all the revisons > to the copyright, we've just never upgraded ours to match theirs ... I > posted, in another thread, a proposed updated COPYRIGHT file based off of > http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.html ... Notice how the letter you cited was addressed to all users of 4.4BSD, and not to the users of all software products that every came out of Berkeley. Just because some of them got to change their license doesn't mean that all the other packages suddenly get to choose what wording they'd like. The particular change was the removal of the "advertisement clause". Postgres doesn't have an advertisement clause. If you want to get word from the UCB that we are allowed to insert "AND ALL OTHER CONTRIBUTORS" at strategic places in the current text then we'd probably be served best. But until then we have to leave the UCB license untouched. -- Peter Eisentraut Sernanders vaeg 10:115 peter_e@gmx.net 75262 Uppsala http://yi.org/peter-e/ Sweden
Paperwork has already been sent off, gears are in motion :) On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 eisentrp@csis.gvsu.edu wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > as mentioned by another person, it appears that the problem isn't with the > > copyright, the problem is us :( BSD *has* already done all the revisons > > to the copyright, we've just never upgraded ours to match theirs ... I > > posted, in another thread, a proposed updated COPYRIGHT file based off of > > http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.html ... > > Notice how the letter you cited was addressed to all users of 4.4BSD, and > not to the users of all software products that every came out of > Berkeley. Just because some of them got to change their license doesn't > mean that all the other packages suddenly get to choose what wording > they'd like. > > The particular change was the removal of the "advertisement clause". > Postgres doesn't have an advertisement clause. > > If you want to get word from the UCB that we are allowed to insert "AND > ALL OTHER CONTRIBUTORS" at strategic places in the current text then we'd > probably be served best. But until then we have to leave the UCB license > untouched. > > > -- > Peter Eisentraut Sernanders vaeg 10:115 > peter_e@gmx.net 75262 Uppsala > http://yi.org/peter-e/ Sweden > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
>Recently, Landmark/Great Bridge sent us a proposed revision to our >existing license that, from what I can tell, has two paragraphs that >pretty instantly none of the non-US developers felt comfortable with ... >and that I, personally, could never agree to. Sorry to jump in , but which two paragraphs were these and why were they objectionable ?