Thread: Native Win32 port - PLEASE!
PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. It will totally and utterly hurt Microsoft in a very important area to have this port. Why? Well, many of you will know that MS give away a cut-down version of SQL Server (MSDE) and this is bundled with a *lot* of Win32 apps. Now, MSDE is pretty good, though it is a nightmare to upgrade, for various reasons - but there are fishhooks in the license agreement that worry a lot of people - particularly, a clause about replication that could be interpreted in ways that would suddenly require users to pay MS large wads of cash. And MSDE is deliberately crippled; five concurrent users, max 2G database size. Many vendors (including the one I work for) would be very very very interested in looking at PostgreSQL as an alternative BUT it NEEDS to run natively on Windows (not via Cygwin) If it did, I can see real inroads being made into 'mindspace' here and a huge increase in PostgreSQL usage - it would become ubiquitous as a 21st century database - and porting to Win32 therefore helps, not hinders, the open source movement. So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please.....
> So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe > you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... I'm sure quietly begging certain developers with your pocekt book probably wouldn't hurt your cause either. :) Actually though from what I read here on this list native win32 support is almost ceranily going to be included in the next major release of postgres with will probably come out sometime in the next 6-9 month. Am I right on this?
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 02:28:10AM -0800, Andrew Mayo wrote: > PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. I don't think anyone is dragging their heels on purpose. If it's that important to you, consider contributing either in code or in paid developer time. A -- Andrew Sullivan | ajs@crankycanuck.ca
--- Rick Gigger <rick@alpinenetworking.com> wrote: > > So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite > this port. I believe > > you will be utterly astonished at the demand. > Please..... > > I'm sure quietly begging certain developers with > your pocekt book > probably wouldn't hurt your cause either. :) > > Actually though from what I read here on this list > native win32 support > is almost ceranily going to be included in the next > major release of > postgres with will probably come out sometime in the > next 6-9 month. According to recent posts on the win32 hackers list, current development code compiles and runs on Windows now, albeit with a few magical incantations needed along the way. There are still issues to resolve, but work is proceeding rapidly. Now, as to the timing of the next release, I don't believe that anyone has made an estimate yet. After lurking on the win32 hackers list for a while, I am very impressed by the energy and capability of the people who are doing the work. Anyone who wants to test the development code, and report back on any new issues encountered, would no doubt be doing the developers a favour. Instructions for compiling on Windows are on the project page on Bruce Momjian's site. But I am feeling too lazy to look up the URL right now ;-) > > Am I right on this? > > ---------------------------(end of > broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
Andrew Mayo wrote: >PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. > > All I can tell you is that a lot of energy and code is being thrown at this problem and a lot of progress has been make. While it's not done yet, it certainly appears that 7.5 will include a native win32 port! But as is the way with open source, there are no promises. If you are really interested, join the win32 mailing list and contribute. Matthew
On 26/03/2004 10:28 Andrew Mayo wrote: > PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. > > It will totally and utterly hurt Microsoft in a very important area to > have this port. Why? > > Well, many of you will know that MS give away a cut-down version of > SQL Server (MSDE) and this is bundled with a *lot* of Win32 apps. > > Now, MSDE is pretty good, though it is a nightmare to upgrade, for > various reasons - but there are fishhooks in the license agreement > that worry a lot of people - particularly, a clause about replication > that could be interpreted in ways that would suddenly require users to > pay MS large wads of cash. > > And MSDE is deliberately crippled; five concurrent users, max 2G > database size. > > Many vendors (including the one I work for) would be very very very > interested in looking at PostgreSQL as an alternative BUT it NEEDS to > run natively on Windows (not via Cygwin) If you read the list archives for hackers and win32, I think you'll see that a non-Cygwin port is what is being undetaken right now. As with pretty-well all OSS the limiting factor is available resources. An enlightened company which would make money on the back of a win32 port would obviously offer to donate programmer (as in _experienced_ C/win32 rather than junior/novice) time to help the port along. > If it did, I can see real inroads being made into 'mindspace' here and > a huge increase in PostgreSQL usage - it would become ubiquitous as a > 21st century database - and porting to Win32 therefore helps, not > hinders, the open source movement. > > So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe > you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... I think everyone in the core and advocacy teams is well aware of this as are most of the other mailing-list regulars. -- Paul Thomas +------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 02:28:10 -0800, Andrew Mayo <ajmayo@my-deja.com> wrote: > PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. > > It will totally and utterly hurt Microsoft in a very important area to > have this port. Why? People are working on it and from what I have seen on the lists the port is going well and will be available as part of the 7.5 release.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Mayo [mailto:ajmayo@my-deja.com] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:28 AM > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: [GENERAL] Native Win32 port - PLEASE! > > > PLEASE .... can we have the native Win32 port SOON. > > It will totally and utterly hurt Microsoft in a very > important area to have this port. Why? > > Well, many of you will know that MS give away a cut-down > version of SQL Server (MSDE) and this is bundled with a *lot* > of Win32 apps. > > Now, MSDE is pretty good, though it is a nightmare to > upgrade, for various reasons - but there are fishhooks in the > license agreement that worry a lot of people - particularly, > a clause about replication that could be interpreted in ways > that would suddenly require users to pay MS large wads of cash. > > And MSDE is deliberately crippled; five concurrent users, max > 2G database size. "Hurry because it will hurt someone." is a silly reason to push for something. Far better is "Hurry because it will benefit someone." IMO-YMMV. > Many vendors (including the one I work for) would be very > very very interested in looking at PostgreSQL as an > alternative BUT it NEEDS to run natively on Windows (not via Cygwin) > > If it did, I can see real inroads being made into 'mindspace' > here and a huge increase in PostgreSQL usage - it would > become ubiquitous as a 21st century database - and porting to > Win32 therefore helps, not hinders, the open source movement. > > So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I > believe you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... It's already almost there. Since it is an open source project, you can always help if you want. You can download it and build it yourself with Mingw if you want to play with what is available now.
Rick Gigger wrote: >> So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe >> you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... Speaking of win32 port, do/will we need a win32 users list (pgsql-win32)? MySQL has one. For now, I think such a list can assert to the world that a native port exist (or will, very soon), plus as a help forum for users who want to try building one (as the docs on building the win32 port is nonexistant right now). -- dave
I build one from CVS, and make some test, it seems pretty stable now, (I've build serveral based on previous CVS source, but seems not so sable)and put it here: http://www.pgsqldb.org/pgsql20040327.rar wish it helps. Use winrar to unpack it and read the README.txt before use. regards Laser
Jeff Eckermann wrote:
> According to recent posts on the win32 hackers list,
> current development code compiles and runs on Windows
> now, albeit with a few magical incantations needed
> along the way. There are still issues to resolve, but
> work is proceeding rapidly.
>
> Now, as to the timing of the next release, I don't
> believe that anyone has made an estimate yet.
>
> After lurking on the win32 hackers list for a while, I
> am very impressed by the energy and capability of the
> people who are doing the work. Anyone who wants to
> test the development code, and report back on any new
> issues encountered, would no doubt be doing the
> developers a favour. Instructions for compiling on
> Windows are on the project page on Bruce Momjian's
> site. But I am feeling too lazy to look up the URL
> right now ;-)
http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/project
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David Garamond wrote: > Rick Gigger wrote: > >> So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe > >> you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... > > Speaking of win32 port, do/will we need a win32 users list > (pgsql-win32)? MySQL has one. For now, I think such a list can assert to > the world that a native port exist (or will, very soon), plus as a help > forum for users who want to try building one (as the docs on building > the win32 port is nonexistant right now). Seems we use win32-devel until we release 7.5, and after that, we could use a separate list, or use the existing ports list. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Bruce Momjian wrote: >>>>So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe >>>>you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... >> >>Speaking of win32 port, do/will we need a win32 users list >>(pgsql-win32)? MySQL has one. For now, I think such a list can assert to >>the world that a native port exist (or will, very soon), plus as a help >>forum for users who want to try building one (as the docs on building >>the win32 port is nonexistant right now). > > Seems we use win32-devel until we release 7.5, and after that, we could > use a separate list, or use the existing ports list. I for one vote for win32 users having their own list as soon as possible. I predict three things: 1) there will be *lots* of them coming to -general (instead of to -novice); 2) there will be a surge of novice-oriented and MySQL-related posts in -general; 3) the other members of the -general list will get annoyed enough that eventually a win32-users list is set up. So why go through the pain of #1 and #2 when we can go directly to #3 :-) Btw, here's a nice read as well as a reminder of things to come: http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=26787 -- dave
David Garamond said: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > >>>>So can I quietly beg the Win32 group to expedite this port. I believe > >>>>you will be utterly astonished at the demand. Please..... > >> > >>Speaking of win32 port, do/will we need a win32 users list > >>(pgsql-win32)? MySQL has one. For now, I think such a list can assert to > >>the world that a native port exist (or will, very soon), plus as a help > >>forum for users who want to try building one (as the docs on building > >>the win32 port is nonexistant right now). > > > > Seems we use win32-devel until we release 7.5, and after that, we could > > use a separate list, or use the existing ports list. > > I for one vote for win32 users having their own list as soon as > possible. I predict three things: > > 1) there will be *lots* of them coming to -general (instead of to -novice); > 2) there will be a surge of novice-oriented and MySQL-related posts in > -general; > 3) the other members of the -general list will get annoyed enough that > eventually a win32-users list is set up. > > So why go through the pain of #1 and #2 when we can go directly to #3 :-) > So this is supposed an intelligent, non-annoying post? Preemptive action to insure the protection of the sane and intelligent from the ravages of the ignorant masses. Yeah, uh-huh...right. Best regards, Jim
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:08:11 +0700 David Garamond <lists@zara.6.isreserved.com> sat down, thought long and then wrote: > I for one vote for win32 users having their own list as soon as > possible. I predict three things: > > 1) there will be *lots* of them coming to -general (instead of to -novice); > 2) there will be a surge of novice-oriented and MySQL-related posts in > -general; > 3) the other members of the -general list will get annoyed enough that > eventually a win32-users list is set up. > > So why go through the pain of #1 and #2 when we can go directly to #3 :-) > > Btw, here's a nice read as well as a reminder of things to come: > http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=26787 > > -- > dave How about simply automatically discarding any posts with the character sequence M,Y,S,Q,L? :-) I am really tired of another comparison between MySQL and PostgreSQL every day! If we need that, let´s go and create a list "database comparisons" (or, if point 2 is true, let´s call it "win32-users"). Regards, Frank.