Thread: Seeking advice on database table design for storing images

Seeking advice on database table design for storing images

From
chris.gamble@CPBINC.com
Date:
I am working on an application that will store images with every product
ordered from a given company. Doing this type of application on other
databases, I have always been told to use a seperate table for the image
store. Doing this has given me the table designs listed below. My question
is: Is it within the design of postgres 7.3 to store 30k to 1mb images in a
bytea field, and if so can the two tables below be joined into a single
table without suffering adverse effects?

TABLE - tdatInvoiceLineItems
invoiceid   int8
productid  int4
quantityordered  int4
samplestocustomer  int4
adcost  numeric  10,4
adheight  float4  4
adwidth  float4  4
workorderid  int8
objectid  int8  8
needsart  bool

TABLE - tdatCustomerArt
lineitemid   int8
artwork  bytea
extension  varchar


Chris Gamble
CPB Inc
p: 972-579-1642 x 22
f: 972-579-1355



Re: Seeking advice on database table design for storing

From
Arjen van der Meijden
Date:
As far as I know, Postgresql uses a separate space for storing the large
objects (bytea and text, in this case) to prevent against
performance-issues.
For storing images you might improve your performance and such things by
simply using the LOB-interface of Postgresql, in that case Postgres
stores the images as normal files and stores the OID in your table.

Since the normal performance tips for storing images involve storing
them on your filesystem and only the location in the database, it
doesn't sound to stupid to have postgresql handle that automatically for
you.

You'd probably have to check whether the above performance tips hold for
your application, but I'm pretty sure postgresql stores all text fields
seperately (or at least as soon as they don't fit into the local record)
and it would surprise me if bytea was handled differently.

Regards,

Arjen

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> Onderwerp: [GENERAL] Seeking advice on database table design
> for storing images
>
>
> I am working on an application that will store images with
> every product ordered from a given company. Doing this type
> of application on other databases, I have always been told to
> use a seperate table for the image store. Doing this has
> given me the table designs listed below. My question
> is: Is it within the design of postgres 7.3 to store 30k to
> 1mb images in a bytea field, and if so can the two tables
> below be joined into a single table without suffering adverse effects?
>
> TABLE - tdatInvoiceLineItems
> invoiceid   int8
> productid  int4
> quantityordered  int4
> samplestocustomer  int4
> adcost  numeric  10,4
> adheight  float4  4
> adwidth  float4  4
> workorderid  int8
> objectid  int8  8
> needsart  bool
>
> TABLE - tdatCustomerArt
> lineitemid   int8
> artwork  bytea
> extension  varchar
>
>
> Chris Gamble
> CPB Inc
> p: 972-579-1642 x 22
> f: 972-579-1355
>
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Re: Seeking advice on database table design for storing images

From
Dennis Gearon
Date:
It's faster to store the images in the file system, and the path/filename in the database.

For one thing, the file system itself is just faster.
You would have to provide the client's browser with a URL for the image, and feed that through
some sort of switchyard script application, when with a filesystem based image, you just specifiy
where it is and let apache worry about it.

The only real advantage to putting images in the database, or hiding them behind another name in
the document tree and using a switchyard application to redirect the image request is to protect
your image directory and images from any use but in your site's documents (until they are
downloaded once)

2/7/2003 8:18:56 AM, chris.gamble@CPBINC.com wrote:

>I am working on an application that will store images with every product
>ordered from a given company. Doing this type of application on other
>databases, I have always been told to use a seperate table for the image
>store. Doing this has given me the table designs listed below. My question
>is: Is it within the design of postgres 7.3 to store 30k to 1mb images in a
>bytea field, and if so can the two tables below be joined into a single
>table without suffering adverse effects?
>
>TABLE - tdatInvoiceLineItems
>invoiceid   int8
>productid  int4
>quantityordered  int4
>samplestocustomer  int4
>adcost  numeric  10,4
>adheight  float4  4
>adwidth  float4  4
>workorderid  int8
>objectid  int8  8
>needsart  bool
>
>TABLE - tdatCustomerArt
>lineitemid   int8
>artwork  bytea
>extension  varchar
>
>
>Chris Gamble
>CPB Inc
>p: 972-579-1642 x 22
>f: 972-579-1355
>
>
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Re: Seeking advice on database table design for storing

From
Jason Hihn
Date:
I believe your statement to be wrong. It's been a while, and maybe things have changes, but the last time I tested
this,images in the database were _significantly_ faster. At that time, I attributed it to the operating system overhead
(quota,rights, etc navigating the directory structure) vs. database overhead (rights, index->disk translation). 

Furthermore, there are issues were filenames can collide. The script is rather easy for pulling image data out:
SRC="image.php?id=10"then in image.php send the mime type, then the data.  

Additionally with files laying around on a disk, then can de deleted or corrupted by things other than the database
engineor yourself. You also have to worry about keeping a directory consistent with the database (easy, but it's one
morestep than if you did just store them as blobs to start with) 

I hope this helps!

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To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org; chris.gamble@CPBINC.com
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Seeking advice on database table design for
storing images


It's faster to store the images in the file system, and the path/filename in the database.

For one thing, the file system itself is just faster.
You would have to provide the client's browser with a URL for the image, and feed that through
some sort of switchyard script application, when with a filesystem based image, you just specifiy
where it is and let apache worry about it.

The only real advantage to putting images in the database, or hiding them behind another name in
the document tree and using a switchyard application to redirect the image request is to protect
your image directory and images from any use but in your site's documents (until they are
downloaded once)

2/7/2003 8:18:56 AM, chris.gamble@CPBINC.com wrote:

>I am working on an application that will store images with every product
>ordered from a given company. Doing this type of application on other
>databases, I have always been told to use a seperate table for the image
>store. Doing this has given me the table designs listed below. My question
>is: Is it within the design of postgres 7.3 to store 30k to 1mb images in a
>bytea field, and if so can the two tables below be joined into a single
>table without suffering adverse effects?
>
>TABLE - tdatInvoiceLineItems
>invoiceid   int8
>productid  int4
>quantityordered  int4
>samplestocustomer  int4
>adcost  numeric  10,4
>adheight  float4  4
>adwidth  float4  4
>workorderid  int8
>objectid  int8  8
>needsart  bool
>
>TABLE - tdatCustomerArt
>lineitemid   int8
>artwork  bytea
>extension  varchar
>
>
>Chris Gamble
>CPB Inc
>p: 972-579-1642 x 22
>f: 972-579-1355
>
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Re: Seeking advice on database table design for storing images

From
Jan Wieck
Date:
Dennis Gearon wrote:
>
> It's faster to store the images in the file system, and the path/filename in the database.
>
> For one thing, the file system itself is just faster.
> You would have to provide the client's browser with a URL for the image, and feed that through
> some sort of switchyard script application, when with a filesystem based image, you just specifiy
> where it is and let apache worry about it.
>
> The only real advantage to putting images in the database, or hiding them behind another name in
> the document tree and using a switchyard application to redirect the image request is to protect
> your image directory and images from any use but in your site's documents (until they are
> downloaded once)

It's not the only advantage. What about making a consistent online
backup that includes a snapshot of the image collection? What about
session authenticated access to image data so that a user can only see
the images associated with an invoice where he has permissions for the
branch or department?

I store binary data b64-encoded in text fields.


Jan


>
> 2/7/2003 8:18:56 AM, chris.gamble@CPBINC.com wrote:
>
> >I am working on an application that will store images with every product
> >ordered from a given company. Doing this type of application on other
> >databases, I have always been told to use a seperate table for the image
> >store. Doing this has given me the table designs listed below. My question
> >is: Is it within the design of postgres 7.3 to store 30k to 1mb images in a
> >bytea field, and if so can the two tables below be joined into a single
> >table without suffering adverse effects?
> >
> >TABLE - tdatInvoiceLineItems
> >invoiceid   int8
> >productid  int4
> >quantityordered  int4
> >samplestocustomer  int4
> >adcost  numeric  10,4
> >adheight  float4  4
> >adwidth  float4  4
> >workorderid  int8
> >objectid  int8  8
> >needsart  bool
> >
> >TABLE - tdatCustomerArt
> >lineitemid   int8
> >artwork  bytea
> >extension  varchar
> >
> >
> >Chris Gamble
> >CPB Inc
> >p: 972-579-1642 x 22
> >f: 972-579-1355
> >
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