Thread: OT: mailing list delays

OT: mailing list delays

From
Richard Huxton
Date:
There's another post with someone who hasn't been seeing any messages. I'm
getting stuff mixed together from the last few days. Is this my problem or is
anyone else seeing it too?

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  Richard Huxton

Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Roj Niyogi
Date:
Me too.  I get it and it frustrates me very much so.

-Roj

Richard Huxton wrote:

>There's another post with someone who hasn't been seeing any messages. I'm
>getting stuff mixed together from the last few days. Is this my problem or is
>anyone else seeing it too?
>
>
>


Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
there were >1000 messages to weed through ...

I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Richard Huxton wrote:

> There's another post with someone who hasn't been seeing any messages.
> I'm getting stuff mixed together from the last few days. Is this my
> problem or is anyone else seeing it too?
>
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>
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Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Tom Lane
Date:
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> there were >1000 messages to weed through ...

> I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...

Perhaps you could share the moderation workload with someone?

(I'm not volunteering, but I bet there's people out there who'd be
willing to help.)

            regards, tom lane

Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Robert Treat
Date:
On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
>
> I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...
>

wow, are you rejecting mail from people not subscribed to the list? If
those spam messages are coming from subscribed emails, perhaps you can
unsubscribe (or ban?) them from the list when they send spam. Over time
it should curb your workload.

Robert Treat



Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Bruce Momjian
Date:
Robert Treat wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> > put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> > of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> > there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
> >
> > I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> > just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...
> >
>
> wow, are you rejecting mail from people not subscribed to the list? If
> those spam messages are coming from subscribed emails, perhaps you can
> unsubscribe (or ban?) them from the list when they send spam. Over time
> it should curb your workload.

I assume the spam is coming from non-subscribers.  That's how they get
into that queue.

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Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Mike Mascari
Date:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
>
> I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...

I remember years ago when spam from newsgroups found their way
into the lists. Despite the delay in approved messages, I just
wanted to voice a "Thank You" for filtering. It is a job which
does not get much praise, so I thought I'd change that trend...

> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Richard Huxton wrote:
>
>>There's another post with someone who hasn't been seeing any messages.
>>I'm getting stuff mixed together from the last few days. Is this my
>>problem or is anyone else seeing it too?

>>TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

P.S.: This tip should be removed...

Mike Mascari
mascarm@mascari.com



Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
On 7 Nov 2002, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> > put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> > of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> > there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
> >
> > I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> > just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...
> >
>
> wow, are you rejecting mail from people not subscribed to the list? If
> those spam messages are coming from subscribed emails, perhaps you can
> unsubscribe (or ban?) them from the list when they send spam. Over time
> it should curb your workload.

No legit message is rejected, only spam, or duplicates ... any other
messages I just scan for appropriate content and approve ...

in most cases, I believe that those that get 'stuck' in the queue are
those reading the newsgroups ... a simple 'subscribe' to the list and a
'set nomail' would allow them to read newsgroups and post to the lists ...




Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

> Robert Treat wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >
> > > Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> > > put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> > > of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on Monday,
> > > there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
> > >
> > > I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> > > just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...
> > >
> >
> > wow, are you rejecting mail from people not subscribed to the list? If
> > those spam messages are coming from subscribed emails, perhaps you can
> > unsubscribe (or ban?) them from the list when they send spam. Over time
> > it should curb your workload.
>
> I assume the spam is coming from non-subscribers.  That's how they get
> into that queue.

correct ...



Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Richard Huxton
Date:
On Thursday 07 Nov 2002 6:55 pm, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> writes:
> > Postings by those note on the lists (ie. reading through newsgroups) get
> > put into a queue to be moderated ... today, I went through ~400 messages,
> > of which <100 were legit (non spam) postings ... when I came in on
> > Monday, there were >1000 messages to weed through ...
> >
> > I try to go through it daily during the week, but there are days where it
> > just isn't possible, so it gets delayed a day or three ...
>
> Perhaps you could share the moderation workload with someone?
>
> (I'm not volunteering, but I bet there's people out there who'd be
> willing to help.)

I am volunteering if there's a way for me to help out. I run through the lists
most mornings anyway. Can't guarantee *every* day, but at least 90% of the
time.

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  Richard Huxton

Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Richard Huxton
Date:
On Friday 08 Nov 2002 12:15 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> in most cases, I believe that those that get 'stuck' in the queue are
> those reading the newsgroups ... a simple 'subscribe' to the list and a
> 'set nomail' would allow them to read newsgroups and post to the lists ...

Perhaps a weekly "META: Guide to using the PostgreSQL Lists" post would reduce
the volume a bit.

--
  Richard Huxton

Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Robert Treat
Date:
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 05:13, Richard Huxton wrote:
> On Friday 08 Nov 2002 12:15 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > in most cases, I believe that those that get 'stuck' in the queue are
> > those reading the newsgroups ... a simple 'subscribe' to the list and a
> > 'set nomail' would allow them to read newsgroups and post to the lists ...
>
> Perhaps a weekly "META: Guide to using the PostgreSQL Lists" post would reduce
> the volume a bit.
>

Well, since these folks aren't subscribed to the list, this might not
work as well as we'd hope (kind of like how people keep asking questions
that are on the FAQ) though I'm certainly not against the idea.
Something a bit more encompassing would be a flat rejection of all posts
from non-subscribed posters (with instructions on how to subscribe and
set the option for nomail).

Robert Treat


Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
"Marc G. Fournier"
Date:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Richard Huxton wrote:

> On Friday 08 Nov 2002 12:15 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >
> > in most cases, I believe that those that get 'stuck' in the queue are
> > those reading the newsgroups ... a simple 'subscribe' to the list and a
> > 'set nomail' would allow them to read newsgroups and post to the lists ...
>
> Perhaps a weekly "META: Guide to using the PostgreSQL Lists" post would
> reduce the volume a bit.

If someone wants to write it ... ? :)

Actually, setting up a cronjob to just send such to the newsgroups
themselves would probably do the trick ...



Re: OT: mailing list delays

From
Richard Huxton
Date:
On Friday 08 Nov 2002 7:01 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Richard Huxton wrote:
> > On Friday 08 Nov 2002 12:15 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > in most cases, I believe that those that get 'stuck' in the queue are
> > > those reading the newsgroups ... a simple 'subscribe' to the list and a
> > > 'set nomail' would allow them to read newsgroups and post to the lists
> > > ...
> >
> > Perhaps a weekly "META: Guide to using the PostgreSQL Lists" post would
> > reduce the volume a bit.
>
> If someone wants to write it ... ? :)
>
> Actually, setting up a cronjob to just send such to the newsgroups
> themselves would probably do the trick ...

I'll run up a draft Monday and post it to pgsql-docs Mon pm or Tue am.

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  Richard Huxton