Thread: O'Reilly Open Source Convention Report
The O'Reilly Open Source Convention was two weeks ago, and I wanted to report on it to the group. There were a large number of PostgreSQL folks at the conference, and PostgreSQL activities going on every day. We had a BOF, two tutorials, and lots of PostgreSQL presentations. Also important, we had a chance to meet other PostgreSQL users and discuss the project and its future direction. PostgreSQL showed significant growth since last year. We had almost 50% of the database talks, and I overheard a number of people talking about PostgreSQL in the hallways. Clearly the awareness of PostgreSQL and how it meets the needs of serious database users is continuing to permeate into the community. I certainly would like to go again next year. There are great pictures of the event at http://cluster.cybertec.at/pgoscon/. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> There were a large number of PostgreSQL folks at the conference, and
> PostgreSQL activities going on every day. We had a BOF, two tutorials,
> and lots of PostgreSQL presentations.
Three tutorials --- your two, and Gavin Sherry's PHP-and-Postgres talk.
We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger
presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-)
regards, tom lane
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > There were a large number of PostgreSQL folks at the conference, and > > PostgreSQL activities going on every day. We had a BOF, two tutorials, > > and lots of PostgreSQL presentations. > > Three tutorials --- your two, and Gavin Sherry's PHP-and-Postgres talk. Yes. > We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger > presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-) Actually, I didn't want to compare, but PostgreSQL had a much bigger presence this year than last year compared to other database, so we are making progress. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 853-3000 + If your life is a hard drive, | 830 Blythe Avenue + Christ can be your backup. | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 14:17, Tom Lane wrote: > We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger > presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-) Without flames whats the story there? For example I read an interviwew this week (on the web, cant recall where) where an guy from SUN briefly mentioned putting MySQL up Oracle, in the context of providing a complete package... Wouldn't PostgreSQL be a better contender due to the more advanced features (assuming Mysql has not caught up) My basic understanding was MySQL was being pushed for speed rather than features, whilst PostgreSQL was more feature rich and robust... Any calm and reasond answeres? -- * * Rob Brown-Bayliss *
On Sunday 04 August 2002 10:13 pm, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 14:17, Tom Lane wrote:
> > We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger
> > presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-)
>
> Without flames whats the story there? For example I read an interviwew
> this week (on the web, cant recall where) where an guy from SUN briefly
> mentioned putting MySQL up Oracle, in the context of providing a
> complete package...
>
> Wouldn't PostgreSQL be a better contender due to the more advanced
> features (assuming Mysql has not caught up)
>
> My basic understanding was MySQL was being pushed for speed rather than
> features, whilst PostgreSQL was more feature rich and robust...
>
> Any calm and reasond answeres?
If you happen to have the article handy, I would be interested to read it.
MySQL has a much larger user base. More companies use it, and sometimes for
important stuff. If Sun is talking about a wide-scale deployment, it makes
sense (from a conservative's perspective) to go with what everyone else is
using. More people will already know how to use mysql, and that means lower
training cost. I also read something about a newer version of mysql
supporting replication... although I don't remember the details (you might
want to check my facts before doing something important :) ).
And although I like postgres much more, I don't think anyone will claim that
MySQL is useless. MySQL, at minimum, can store data, and spit it back, and do
it for no license fee. Just like postgres :)
That perhaps explains Sun's involvement with mysql.
On a related note, I think the developers are really headed in the direction
of more widespread use (I say this without meaning that it will take away
from MySQL's user base, although that could be the case). I also know that
they're making real progress, based on the number of people I've talked to
that are taking more of an interest (well, at least experimenting with it).
Regards,
Jeff Davis
Rob Brown-Bayliss <rob@zoism.org> writes:
> Without flames whats the story there? For example I read an interviwew
> this week (on the web, cant recall where) where an guy from SUN briefly
> mentioned putting MySQL up Oracle, in the context of providing a
> complete package...
I think once Sun does some investigation they'll decide PG is a better
choice ;-). It could well be that Sun themselves said no such thing,
and the article's reference to MySQL is a flight of the reporter's
fancy.
regards, tom lane
Jeff Davis <list-pgsql-general@empires.org> writes: > If you happen to have the article handy, I would be interested to read it. I think he's talking about http://news.com.com/2008-1082-947510.html > That perhaps explains Sun's involvement with mysql. Keep in mind that this "involvement" is pure speculation at this point. A couple days ago that page read differently --- AFAIR it had no direct quote from Sun mentioning MySQL at all, just the reporter's speculation that Sun might be interested in buying out MySQL AB. (Privately, I doubt it's for sale.) I doubt this exec has done much research yet. regards, tom lane
Jeff Davis wrote:
> On Sunday 04 August 2002 10:13 pm, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 14:17, Tom Lane wrote:
> > > We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger
> > > presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-)
> >
> > Without flames whats the story there? For example I read an interviwew
> > this week (on the web, cant recall where) where an guy from SUN briefly
> > mentioned putting MySQL up Oracle, in the context of providing a
> > complete package...
> >
> > Wouldn't PostgreSQL be a better contender due to the more advanced
> > features (assuming Mysql has not caught up)
> >
> > My basic understanding was MySQL was being pushed for speed rather than
> > features, whilst PostgreSQL was more feature rich and robust...
> >
> > Any calm and reasond answeres?
>
> If you happen to have the article handy, I would be interested to read it.
Here is the article and interview:
http://news.com.com/2008-1082-947510.html
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> > Without flames whats the story there? For example I read an interviwew > > this week (on the web, cant recall where) where an guy from SUN briefly > > mentioned putting MySQL up Oracle, in the context of providing a > > complete package... > > I think once Sun does some investigation they'll decide PG is a better > choice ;-). It could well be that Sun themselves said no such thing, > and the article's reference to MySQL is a flight of the reporter's > fancy. Agreed, however, I think this is Sun trying to get at low end DB users who would otherwise use a Wintel/M$-SQL instead of a UNIX/Sun based solution. Since Sun sells hardware, they'll win either way as the DB grows. I'd read the reporter missed their bit and the article as a UNIX vs. MS bit and not an Oracle vs MySQL bit. -sc -- Sean Chittenden
It seems as if the conference was a success for PostgreSQL.
I have been talking to many people and it seems as if PostgreSQL gains
acceptance.
I have told my favourite story ("Why use PostgreSQL instead of any other
DBMS") at least 5 times a day (not joking).
Maybe next year we will be the database system having more sessions than
MySQL.
There were some great talks; especially Tom's about transactions was
extreme professional and liked by many people.
As far as sun and MySQL are concerned:
Also; I am waiting to see Sun giving their patches to Monty *g*.
Hans
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On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 08:10:39PM +0200, Hans-J?rgen Sch?nig wrote:
> I have told my favourite story ("Why use PostgreSQL instead of any other
> DBMS") at least 5 times a day (not joking).
Maybe you could post it to -advocacy?
A
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>>>>> "TL" == Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> writes: TL> We did well I thought, though it still seemed that MySQL had a larger TL> presence at the conference than PG. Maybe next year ;-) T-shirts. We need to wear Postgres t-shirts. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/
Hans-Jürgen Schönig wrote: > [...] > > As far as sun and MySQL are concerned: > Also; I am waiting to see Sun giving their patches to Monty *g*. Oh yeah, not that we will get the opportunity to take a look at Sun-made sourcecode that way. Remember that big M only accepts "small code donations" and no real work. But watching it from the fence will surely be fun ;-) Jan -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com #
Jan Wieck wrote: > > Hans-Jürgen Schönig wrote: > > [...] > > > > As far as sun and MySQL are concerned: > > Also; I am waiting to see Sun giving their patches to Monty *g*. > > Oh yeah, > > not that we will get the opportunity to take a look at Sun-made > sourcecode that way. Remember that big M only accepts "small code > donations" and no real work. But watching it from the fence will surely > be fun ;-) Just saw that Sun has released their new Intel based LX50 servers, and for the ones shipping the new Sun Linux 5.0 distribution, it comes with MySQL: http://soldc.sun.com/articles/linuxdev_overview.html But they don't seem to be making a big deal of it here... it's just listed like all the other options. :-) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift > Jan -- "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group; there was less competition there." - Indira Gandhi