Thread: Advocacy Links, people using PostgreSQL, Trends.
Some thoughts. We were during the last days collecting links related with the 8.4 release. And that seems to be, plus events, the very best effort when it comes to -advocacy. How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 /* Don't waste time saying: "This has nothing to do with PostgreSQL because...". There are several ways to understand this graph, but all say: "things are slowing" */ We need to find a better way to encourage people to come and get our stuff, instead of arguing bout an installer or the logo size on a page. Were are the stats of the project? The real ones, downloads, installations, users, etc, anyone digging there? If we don't have some of them, which are the ones that we do have? I am against working in this direction but I need stuff in order to understand were we are standing ATM. Get serious! To be clear, at this moment, I am not helping with the -admin,-general, nor other support lists. I am just sitting here trying to share some bits with moderation and some advocacy support on my spare time. That's me, no company nor commercial interest, no further magic. Just love for the project. Dunno, just 2 cents on the storm. gb.-
Well, you have not reached 8.3 :) http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL+8.4%2C+PostgreSQL+8.3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Euler Taveira de Oliveira<euler@timbira.com> wrote: > Guido Barosio escreveu: >> How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 >> > IMHO your search should be: > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL+8.4&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > And I think we have been achieved our goals. Release 8.4 has been equally > covered by press comparing with the other DBMSs when they were released. > > > -- > Euler Taveira de Oliveira > http://www.timbira.com/ >
http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2C+PostgreSQL+8%2C+PostgreSQL+8.4%2C+PostgreSQL+8.3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Anyway, these graphs only demonstrate a slow in whatever this trend represents (google searches afaik). The focus should be on "Where do we get the real data from? Where are we standing at the moment? Do we need more or less effort?" A press coverage is just a press coverage and nothing else. gb.- On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Guido Barosio<gbarosio@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, you have not reached 8.3 :) > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL+8.4%2C+PostgreSQL+8.3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Euler Taveira de > Oliveira<euler@timbira.com> wrote: >> Guido Barosio escreveu: >>> How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? >>> >>> http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 >>> >> IMHO your search should be: >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL+8.4&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 >> >> And I think we have been achieved our goals. Release 8.4 has been equally >> covered by press comparing with the other DBMSs when they were released. >> >> >> -- >> Euler Taveira de Oliveira >> http://www.timbira.com/ >> >
On Monday 13 July 2009 20:19:33 Guido Barosio wrote: > How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > /* Don't waste time saying: "This has nothing to do with PostgreSQL > because...". There are several ways to understand this graph, but all > say: "things are slowing" */ Well, perhaps if fewer people are searching for PostgreSQL, then more people already know where it is and have no need to search for it all the time. Note also that the search trends for competing products like MySQL, SQL Server, and Oracle are pointing into the same direction.
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On Monday 13 July 2009 20:19:33 Guido Barosio wrote: > > How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? > > > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > > > /* Don't waste time saying: "This has nothing to do with PostgreSQL > > because...". There are several ways to understand this graph, but all > > say: "things are slowing" */ > > Well, perhaps if fewer people are searching for PostgreSQL, then more people > already know where it is and have no need to search for it all the time. > > Note also that the search trends for competing products like MySQL, SQL > Server, and Oracle are pointing into the same direction. I think the reason is that more non-technical searches are performed every year as the Internet become less hacker-centric. -- Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Guido Barosio escreveu: > How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > IMHO your search should be: http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL+8.4&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 And I think we have been achieved our goals. Release 8.4 has been equally covered by press comparing with the other DBMSs when they were released. -- Euler Taveira de Oliveira http://www.timbira.com/
Bruce Momjian escribió: > Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On Monday 13 July 2009 20:19:33 Guido Barosio wrote: > > > How can we relate this, with the efforts being done? > > > > > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > > > > > /* Don't waste time saying: "This has nothing to do with PostgreSQL > > > because...". There are several ways to understand this graph, but all > > > say: "things are slowing" */ > > > > Well, perhaps if fewer people are searching for PostgreSQL, then more people > > already know where it is and have no need to search for it all the time. > > > > Note also that the search trends for competing products like MySQL, SQL > > Server, and Oracle are pointing into the same direction. > > I think the reason is that more non-technical searches are performed > every year as the Internet become less hacker-centric. I tried this search: http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2Cdb2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 and I find the result pretty surprising. Why are there peaks and valleys at the same time for both periods? What this says to me is that these graphs are meaningless. These ones http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2Cdb2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0 http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2Cdb2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2008-12&sort=1 says that people keep searching for Postgres at home, but after leaving the office they forget about DB2. So Postgres is mostly used by hobbists, not serious businesses ... Right? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
> And I think we have been achieved our goals. Release 8.4 has been equally > covered by press comparing with the other DBMSs when they were released. Yes. Thank you to all of our Regional Contacts for making this release successful. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. www.pgexperts.com
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > I tried this search: > http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2Cdb2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > and I find the result pretty surprising. Why are there peaks and > valleys at the same time for both periods? > What this says to me is that these graphs are meaningless. Not meaningless, they just don't mean what you might think, and certainly Guido's characterization isn't right at all. Both the PostgreSQL and DB2 graphs are suggesting how often people search for database-related terms relative to other types of searches. That's been dropping steadily during that period as people use the web more for other things, and you'll see the same graph shape for Oracle and MySQL too. As for the correlated peaks and valleys, you can see traffic drop off around the holidays in December every year and pick back up again the day after Christmas; that's the true cause of many of them, because shopping searches dominate those periods. -- * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
Greg Smith wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> I tried this search: >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=PostgreSQL%2Cdb2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 >> >> and I find the result pretty surprising. Why are there peaks and >> valleys at the same time for both periods? >> What this says to me is that these graphs are meaningless. > > Not meaningless, they just don't mean what you might think, and > certainly Guido's characterization isn't right at all. Both the > PostgreSQL and DB2 graphs are suggesting how often people search for > database-related terms relative to other types of searches. That's been > dropping steadily during that period as people use the web more for > other things, and you'll see the same graph shape for Oracle and MySQL too. > > As for the correlated peaks and valleys, you can see traffic drop off > around the holidays in December every year and pick back up again the > day after Christmas; that's the true cause of many of them, because > shopping searches dominate those periods. > > -- > * Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD > What about stats from postgresql.org? How many hits come from google? Other search engines? How many come from other sites? How many go straight to postgresql.org? And other country postgresql sites... -- Shane Ambler pgSQL (at) Sheeky (dot) Biz