Thread: One line new items
Hello,
May I suggest that if someone is going to run a press release on the
PostgreSQL.Org website, that we require that the entire press release be
present?
If it is just a link, we are driving readers from PostgreSQL which is
not IMHO appropriate. It is also irritating as we are not a "link" site.
Joshua D. Drake
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> May I suggest that if someone is going to run a press release on the
> PostgreSQL.Org website, that we require that the entire press release be
> present?
>
> If it is just a link, we are driving readers from PostgreSQL which is
> not IMHO appropriate. It is also irritating as we are not a "link" site.
New links could be opened in a new window. Not very dificult to implement.
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Martin Marques wrote: > > On Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > May I suggest that if someone is going to run a press release on the > > PostgreSQL.Org website, that we require that the entire press release be > > present? > > > > If it is just a link, we are driving readers from PostgreSQL which is > > not IMHO appropriate. It is also irritating as we are not a "link" site. > > New links could be opened in a new window. Not very dificult to implement. I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any problem with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't selling anything. -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
> I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any problem
> with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't selling anything.
We most certainly are selling something. PostgreSQL.
Joshua D. Drake
>
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Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any problem > > with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't selling anything. > > We most certainly are selling something. PostgreSQL. Uh, I don't think so. We are _offering_ it. -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>> I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any problem
>>> with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't selling anything.
>> We most certainly are selling something. PostgreSQL.
>
> Uh, I don't think so. We are _offering_ it.
>
Oh good lord, lets get into a terminology argument shall we.
The point, is that we are trying to insure that PostgreSQL is the
prominent OSS database. Yes? If so....
Selling/Offering/Giving/Proliferating
Pick your word I really don't care.
It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link to
another website without any context to the content beyond the title.
Joshua D. Drake
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:03:26 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>
> It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link to
> another website without any context to the content beyond the title.
Bruce said he was in favor of a one line description, so I guess you two think the same about this. :-D
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Josh, > It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link to > another website without any context to the content beyond the title. Well, that's really up to the WWW approval group, isn't it? They have the ability to edit news items, or to reject them. Given the amount of spam they have to filter, I'm sure they'd be happy to have another volunteer. Personally, I think that Martin was on the mark; we just need to transform links so that they open in a new window ... which is probably what our users want anyway. But let's NOT make this a political issue, it's too trivial. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Martin Marques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:03:26 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link to
> > another website without any context to the content beyond the title.
>
> Bruce said he was in favor of a one line description, so I guess you two think the same about this. :-D
I was assuming the one-liner was actually a summary. If this is the
item Joshua saw, he is right, it isn't a summary:
http://www.postgresql.org/about/news.554
I do prefer one-line summaries of press releases because the press
release usually has the interesting information so buried in the text.
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Bruce Momjian wrote: > Martin Marques wrote: >> On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:03:26 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: >>> It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link to >>> another website without any context to the content beyond the title. >> Bruce said he was in favor of a one line description, so I guess you two think the same about this. :-D > > I was assuming the one-liner was actually a summary. If this is the > item Joshua saw, he is right, it isn't a summary: > > http://www.postgresql.org/about/news.554 > > I do prefer one-line summaries of press releases because the press > release usually has the interesting information so buried in the text. > Yes that is the one I saw. To me it should be there. If it said: EnterpriseDB Boosts Partner Program Roster EnterpriseDB increases partner by 7 new development, sales, (whatever) partners, they are ... For more information on EnterpriseDBs partner program click here. For the full release click here.. I would be o.k. with it, because it offers actual context and some content. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:03:26AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > >Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>>I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any > >>>problem with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't > >>>selling anything. > >>We most certainly are selling something. PostgreSQL. > > > >Uh, I don't think so. We are _offering_ it. > > > > Oh good lord, lets get into a terminology argument shall we. Let's not :) > The point, is that we are trying to insure that PostgreSQL is the > prominent OSS database. Yes? If so.... > > Selling/Offering/Giving/Proliferating > > Pick your word I really don't care. > > It is obnoxious to have PR trolls offer only a one liner with a link > to another website without any context to the content beyond the > title. In the PostgreSQL Weekly News, I put one line of description--often not even 70 characters--and a link, but I make sure it's really PostgreSQL content. It's meant to take you to another site, and it's part of why people send me things in advance for it. But that's for PWN, which is designed to be a quick, readable summary. What is the purpose of those news bits? If it's to keep people on the site, then Josh Drake's point is 100% on. Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote!
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >>> I prefer a one line description and a link. I don't have any problem >>> with people leaving our site to see it. We aren't selling anything. >> >> We most certainly are selling something. PostgreSQL. > > Uh, I don't think so. We are _offering_ it. Agreed ... if we are going to force ppl to stay on our site, then we should just drop posting news annoucenemnts for other ppls products, which I don't think is right ... we should be *promoting* others that use PostgreSQL as a backend ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> Agreed ... if we are going to force ppl to stay on our site, then we > should just drop posting news annoucenemnts for other ppls products, > which I don't think is right ... we should be *promoting* others that > use PostgreSQL as a backend ... Of course we should but that isn't what that particular press release does. See my other posts. I am not arguing about having press releases or promoting other products that use our product. I am arguing that more needs to be in the press release for us to accept it. SIncerely, Joshua D. Drake > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Agreed ... if we are going to force ppl to stay on our site, then we > > should just drop posting news annoucenemnts for other ppls products, > > which I don't think is right ... we should be *promoting* others that > > use PostgreSQL as a backend ... > > Of course we should but that isn't what that particular press release > does. See my other posts. I am not arguing about having press releases > or promoting other products that use our product. > > I am arguing that more needs to be in the press release for us to accept it. Agreed. -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On 5/17/06, Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > I was assuming the one-liner was actually a summary. If this is the > item Joshua saw, he is right, it isn't a summary: While it's up to the web guys, I agree with Josh et al. I think a minimal summary (1-2 lines) should be required for any news posting to be accepted. -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1300 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 33 Wood Ave S, 2nd Floor | jharris@enterprisedb.com Iselin, New Jersey 08830 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
On 5/17/06, Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I am arguing that more needs to be in the press release > > for us to accept it. > > Agreed. I agree as well. The nice thing about the news items is that they're generally a condensed version of the news item. Based on the summary, I decide whether I want to go read the full text. -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1300 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 33 Wood Ave S, 2nd Floor | jharris@enterprisedb.com Iselin, New Jersey 08830 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
Jonah H. Harris wrote: > On 5/17/06, Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote: > > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > I am arguing that more needs to be in the press release > > > for us to accept it. > > > > Agreed. > > I agree as well. The nice thing about the news items is that they're > generally a condensed version of the news item. Based on the summary, > I decide whether I want to go read the full text. I have contacted the original press release poster and EnterpriseDB marketing, letting them know that a summary should be supplied before the URL. -- Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:32:50 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >> http://www.postgresql.org/about/news.554 > > Yes that is the one I saw. To me it should be there. If it said: > > EnterpriseDB Boosts Partner Program Roster > > EnterpriseDB increases partner by 7 new development, sales, (whatever) > partners, they are ... > > For more information on EnterpriseDBs partner program click here. > > For the full release click here.. > > I would be o.k. with it, because it offers actual context and some > content. Something doen's look right. In the news archive[1], there is a rescription, but when entering the link with the actual news[2],you get the extremly short news with the link. It's like "more" is really "less". :-) [1]: http://www.postgresql.org/about/newsarchive [2]: http://www.postgresql.org/about/news.554 -- --------------------------------------------------------- Lic. Martín Marqués | SELECT 'mmarques' || Centro de Telemática | '@' || 'unl.edu.ar'; Universidad Nacional | DBA, Programador, del Litoral | Administrador ---------------------------------------------------------
On 17/5/06 19:37, "Bruce Momjian" <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:I don’t disagree, however at the moment we don’t have any actual policy on what we should and shouldn’t approve. The only ‘rule’ that tends to get actively enforced (other than rejecting irrelevant stuff) is that we only have one product release news item per company every 6 weeks on average.
>
> I am arguing that more needs to be in the press release for us to accept it.
Agreed.
It will be on the web team meeting agenda at the conference to discuss a more formal policy to be published on the website. Comments and ideas would be welcome of course.
Regards, Dave.
On 5/17/06, Martin Marques <martin@bugs.unl.edu.ar> wrote: > It's like "more" is really "less". :-) I always thought less(1) was more than more(1) :) -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1300 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 33 Wood Ave S, 2nd Floor | jharris@enterprisedb.com Iselin, New Jersey 08830 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/
jonah.harris@gmail.com ("Jonah H. Harris") writes:
> On 5/17/06, Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> wrote:
>> I was assuming the one-liner was actually a summary. If this is the
>> item Joshua saw, he is right, it isn't a summary:
>
> While it's up to the web guys, I agree with Josh et al. I think a
> minimal summary (1-2 lines) should be required for any news posting
> to be accepted.
I am inclined to agree.
I get irritated no end when I see announcements for updates to pieces
of software where it takes research to even figure out what the
software is and why I should care.
Having a one line explanation is eminently appropriate.
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jonah.harris@gmail.com ("Jonah H. Harris") writes:
> On 5/17/06, Martin Marques <martin@bugs.unl.edu.ar> wrote:
>> It's like "more" is really "less". :-)
>
> I always thought less(1) was more than more(1) :)
But what do you like most(1)?
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On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:25:19PM -0300, Martin Marques wrote: > > On Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > May I suggest that if someone is going to run a press release on the > > PostgreSQL.Org website, that we require that the entire press release be > > present? > > > > If it is just a link, we are driving readers from PostgreSQL which is > > not IMHO appropriate. It is also irritating as we are not a "link" site. > > New links could be opened in a new window. Not very dificult to implement. Please no. I *really* hate sites that screw with my browser like that. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
On 5/17/06, Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote: > But what do you like most(1)? Ahh, yes. less is more, but more more than more is, so more is less less, so use more less if you want less more. If you need more than more or less, use most. -- Jonah H. Harris, Software Architect | phone: 732.331.1300 EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301 33 Wood Ave S, 2nd Floor | jharris@enterprisedb.com Iselin, New Jersey 08830 | http://www.enterprisedb.com/