Thread: Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL installation CD based on Morphix
We (Japan PostgreSQL User Group) have just created "PostgreSQL LiveCD" based KNOPPIX to promote PostgreSQL to newbies. It includes - PostgreSQL 7.4.1 - PHP 4.3.4 - Apache 1.3.29 - Tomcat 4.1.9 (but J2SDK is not included because of license.) - phpPgAdmin 3.2.1 - pgAdmin3 1.0.2 - phpbb - Full text search in these manuals Screen shot: http://www.postgresql.jp/~snaga/shot.png If you boot your machine with this CD-ROM, all of them are running and you can start web application development without any installation. We will introduce this CD-ROM on NET&COM 2004(Feb.4-6) at Tokyo. Jean-Michel POURE <jm@poure.com> wrote: > Dear friends, > > In the past, there were several discussions in order to find suitable answers > for MS Windows users willing to install and run PostgreSQL. > > Some of you suggested that users should "install GNU/Linux over Windows". Not > so easy for the basic MySQL or Ms Windows user, who need technical > assistance ... and fear to destroy their machine. > > Therefore, I would like to draw some attention on the Morphix CD project from > http://sourceforge.net/projects/morphix. > > Morphix is an auto-bootable Debian GNU/Linux distribution based on Knoppix. > > What makes Morphix different is that the project has several graphical > installers and wizards in preparation (written in plain C, using GTK-2 > libraries and Glade-2) ... which could possibly be used to install GNU/Linux > and PostgreSQL tools over MS Windows. > > You can download a preview CD of Morphix from this address: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/morphix/MorphixCombined-Gnome-0.4-1.iso?download > > Except for the installer itself, the wizards are not yet available in the main > Morphix CD. To have a look at them, you will need to checkout from CVS > (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/morphix) and open the files in > Glade-2. > > I also made some screenshots here: > > - morphixinstaller: once Morphix has booted in demo mode, you can use this > wizard to install Morphix on the disk. Screenshots: > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step1.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step2.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step3.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step4.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step5.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step6.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step7.png > > - isomorphgui: graphical distribution maker (select the requested packages for > your distribution and burn the ISO). Screenshots: > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_1.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_2.png > > - partitionmorpher: resize partitions on the fly (GTK-2 interface to > libparted). Screenshots: > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_1.png > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_2.png > > IMHO opinion, there is a need to study the Morphix project in more details. > > Morphix could be a possible solution to the MS Windows migration problems. It > probably involves 50 times less work than migrating PostgreSQL to MS Windows > (and is a complete different project except for the fact that it could well > bring as much new users to PostgreSQL than a native Win port and is less > risky). > > The possible steps for such a project could be (just a guess): > > 1) Validate Morphixinstaller, isomorphgui and partitionmorpher wizards. These > wizards are still in early stages of development. They are developed by one > person, who would probably like to receive some help. > > 2) Create a wizard for PostgreSQL post-installation steps using GTK-2 and > Glade-2: configuration of hosts and authentication, tuning and optimization > of various parameters (Mainly a graphical interface to pg_hba.conf and > postgresql.conf). > > 3) Gather all known PostgreSQL related Debian packages, including pgAdmin III, > PhpPgAdmin, as well as PHP, Apache and report tools (and much more) and burn > Morphix-PostgreSQL CDs. > > There could be a "light PostgreSQL CD" as well as a "complete PostgreSQL CD". > > 4) Create a single website in 30 languages (http://installer.postgresql.org?) > dedicated to releasing the installation CD. > > Based on the pgAdmin experience, there could well be more than 50.000 > downloads every month, out of which 70% would be migrating from MS Windows to > GNU/Linux. > > Comments and ideas are welcome. I would like to help anyone interested in > becoming the lead of such a project. > > Best regards, > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > -- NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org>
If you want to install to your hard drive, KNOPPIX installation script can help you. However, I think "without any installation" is more important for newbies. Any comments? Satoshi Nagayasu <snaga@snaga.org> wrote: > We (Japan PostgreSQL User Group) have just created "PostgreSQL LiveCD" > based KNOPPIX to promote PostgreSQL to newbies. It includes > > - PostgreSQL 7.4.1 > - PHP 4.3.4 > - Apache 1.3.29 > - Tomcat 4.1.9 (but J2SDK is not included because of license.) > - phpPgAdmin 3.2.1 > - pgAdmin3 1.0.2 > - phpbb > - Full text search in these manuals > > Screen shot: > http://www.postgresql.jp/~snaga/shot.png > > If you boot your machine with this CD-ROM, all of them are running and > you can start web application development without any installation. > > We will introduce this CD-ROM on NET&COM 2004(Feb.4-6) at Tokyo. > > Jean-Michel POURE <jm@poure.com> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > In the past, there were several discussions in order to find suitable answers > > for MS Windows users willing to install and run PostgreSQL. > > > > Some of you suggested that users should "install GNU/Linux over Windows". Not > > so easy for the basic MySQL or Ms Windows user, who need technical > > assistance ... and fear to destroy their machine. > > > > Therefore, I would like to draw some attention on the Morphix CD project from > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/morphix. > > > > Morphix is an auto-bootable Debian GNU/Linux distribution based on Knoppix. > > > > What makes Morphix different is that the project has several graphical > > installers and wizards in preparation (written in plain C, using GTK-2 > > libraries and Glade-2) ... which could possibly be used to install GNU/Linux > > and PostgreSQL tools over MS Windows. > > > > You can download a preview CD of Morphix from this address: > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/morphix/MorphixCombined-Gnome-0.4-1.iso?download > > > > Except for the installer itself, the wizards are not yet available in the main > > Morphix CD. To have a look at them, you will need to checkout from CVS > > (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/morphix) and open the files in > > Glade-2. > > > > I also made some screenshots here: > > > > - morphixinstaller: once Morphix has booted in demo mode, you can use this > > wizard to install Morphix on the disk. Screenshots: > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step1.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step2.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step3.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step4.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step5.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step6.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step7.png > > > > - isomorphgui: graphical distribution maker (select the requested packages for > > your distribution and burn the ISO). Screenshots: > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_1.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_2.png > > > > - partitionmorpher: resize partitions on the fly (GTK-2 interface to > > libparted). Screenshots: > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_1.png > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_2.png > > > > IMHO opinion, there is a need to study the Morphix project in more details. > > > > Morphix could be a possible solution to the MS Windows migration problems. It > > probably involves 50 times less work than migrating PostgreSQL to MS Windows > > (and is a complete different project except for the fact that it could well > > bring as much new users to PostgreSQL than a native Win port and is less > > risky). > > > > The possible steps for such a project could be (just a guess): > > > > 1) Validate Morphixinstaller, isomorphgui and partitionmorpher wizards. These > > wizards are still in early stages of development. They are developed by one > > person, who would probably like to receive some help. > > > > 2) Create a wizard for PostgreSQL post-installation steps using GTK-2 and > > Glade-2: configuration of hosts and authentication, tuning and optimization > > of various parameters (Mainly a graphical interface to pg_hba.conf and > > postgresql.conf). > > > > 3) Gather all known PostgreSQL related Debian packages, including pgAdmin III, > > PhpPgAdmin, as well as PHP, Apache and report tools (and much more) and burn > > Morphix-PostgreSQL CDs. > > > > There could be a "light PostgreSQL CD" as well as a "complete PostgreSQL CD". > > > > 4) Create a single website in 30 languages (http://installer.postgresql.org?) > > dedicated to releasing the installation CD. > > > > Based on the pgAdmin experience, there could well be more than 50.000 > > downloads every month, out of which 70% would be migrating from MS Windows to > > GNU/Linux. > > > > Comments and ideas are welcome. I would like to help anyone interested in > > becoming the lead of such a project. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > > > > > -- > NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org> > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html > -- NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org>
What do people think about putting an .iso of this on the postgresql ftp server and/or the sourceforge site? Robert Treat On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 21:08, Satoshi Nagayasu wrote: > If you want to install to your hard drive, KNOPPIX installation script > can help you. > > However, I think "without any installation" is more important for > newbies. > > Any comments? > > Satoshi Nagayasu <snaga@snaga.org> wrote: > > We (Japan PostgreSQL User Group) have just created "PostgreSQL LiveCD" > > based KNOPPIX to promote PostgreSQL to newbies. It includes > > > > - PostgreSQL 7.4.1 > > - PHP 4.3.4 > > - Apache 1.3.29 > > - Tomcat 4.1.9 (but J2SDK is not included because of license.) > > - phpPgAdmin 3.2.1 > > - pgAdmin3 1.0.2 > > - phpbb > > - Full text search in these manuals > > > > Screen shot: > > http://www.postgresql.jp/~snaga/shot.png > > > > If you boot your machine with this CD-ROM, all of them are running and > > you can start web application development without any installation. > > > > We will introduce this CD-ROM on NET&COM 2004(Feb.4-6) at Tokyo. > > > > Jean-Michel POURE <jm@poure.com> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > In the past, there were several discussions in order to find suitable answers > > > for MS Windows users willing to install and run PostgreSQL. > > > > > > Some of you suggested that users should "install GNU/Linux over Windows". Not > > > so easy for the basic MySQL or Ms Windows user, who need technical > > > assistance ... and fear to destroy their machine. > > > > > > Therefore, I would like to draw some attention on the Morphix CD project from > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/morphix. > > > > > > Morphix is an auto-bootable Debian GNU/Linux distribution based on Knoppix. > > > > > > What makes Morphix different is that the project has several graphical > > > installers and wizards in preparation (written in plain C, using GTK-2 > > > libraries and Glade-2) ... which could possibly be used to install GNU/Linux > > > and PostgreSQL tools over MS Windows. > > > > > > You can download a preview CD of Morphix from this address: > > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/morphix/MorphixCombined-Gnome-0.4-1.iso?download > > > > > > Except for the installer itself, the wizards are not yet available in the main > > > Morphix CD. To have a look at them, you will need to checkout from CVS > > > (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/morphix) and open the files in > > > Glade-2. > > > > > > I also made some screenshots here: > > > > > > - morphixinstaller: once Morphix has booted in demo mode, you can use this > > > wizard to install Morphix on the disk. Screenshots: > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step1.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step2.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step3.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step4.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step5.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step6.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/morphix_installer_step7.png > > > > > > - isomorphgui: graphical distribution maker (select the requested packages for > > > your distribution and burn the ISO). Screenshots: > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_1.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/iso_morph_gui_2.png > > > > > > - partitionmorpher: resize partitions on the fly (GTK-2 interface to > > > libparted). Screenshots: > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_1.png > > > http://developer.pgadmin.org/jean-michel/morphix/partition_morpher_2.png > > > > > > IMHO opinion, there is a need to study the Morphix project in more details. > > > > > > Morphix could be a possible solution to the MS Windows migration problems. It > > > probably involves 50 times less work than migrating PostgreSQL to MS Windows > > > (and is a complete different project except for the fact that it could well > > > bring as much new users to PostgreSQL than a native Win port and is less > > > risky). > > > > > > The possible steps for such a project could be (just a guess): > > > > > > 1) Validate Morphixinstaller, isomorphgui and partitionmorpher wizards. These > > > wizards are still in early stages of development. They are developed by one > > > person, who would probably like to receive some help. > > > > > > 2) Create a wizard for PostgreSQL post-installation steps using GTK-2 and > > > Glade-2: configuration of hosts and authentication, tuning and optimization > > > of various parameters (Mainly a graphical interface to pg_hba.conf and > > > postgresql.conf). > > > > > > 3) Gather all known PostgreSQL related Debian packages, including pgAdmin III, > > > PhpPgAdmin, as well as PHP, Apache and report tools (and much more) and burn > > > Morphix-PostgreSQL CDs. > > > > > > There could be a "light PostgreSQL CD" as well as a "complete PostgreSQL CD". > > > > > > 4) Create a single website in 30 languages (http://installer.postgresql.org?) > > > dedicated to releasing the installation CD. > > > > > > Based on the pgAdmin experience, there could well be more than 50.000 > > > downloads every month, out of which 70% would be migrating from MS Windows to > > > GNU/Linux. > > > > > > Comments and ideas are welcome. I would like to help anyone interested in > > > becoming the lead of such a project. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > > TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > > > > > > > > > -- > > NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org> > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html > > > > > -- > NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org> > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Robert, Satoshi, > What do people think about putting an .iso of this on the postgresql ftp > server and/or the sourceforge site? I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this summer. Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? I'd be happy to have it on a postgresql.org site, but Marc will have to speak to the bandwidth issues. -- -Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this > summer. Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? Looking at the screenshots, it might be a bit too Japanese for the average guy's taste. ;-) If we want to have a PostgreSQL promotion CD by the summer, we still have some time to work on it. Especially, we might want to have some updated software on it. It looks like we're going to LinuxTag as well this year (June), and I'm pulling some strings to get a CD done for that, so maybe we could coordinate that with the events in North America.
Maybe this is a good time to tell you that No Starch Press (I forgot to mention it) said there would be no problem using their knoppix CD that I told you guys about earlier this month. Robert Peter Eisentraut wrote: >Josh Berkus wrote: > > >>I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this >>summer. Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? >> >> > >Looking at the screenshots, it might be a bit too Japanese for the >average guy's taste. ;-) > >If we want to have a PostgreSQL promotion CD by the summer, we still >have some time to work on it. Especially, we might want to have some >updated software on it. It looks like we're going to LinuxTag as well >this year (June), and I'm pulling some strings to get a CD done for >that, so maybe we could coordinate that with the events in North >America. > > >---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > > >
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > Robert, Satoshi, > > > What do people think about putting an .iso of this on the postgresql ftp > > server and/or the sourceforge site? > > I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this summer. > Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? > > I'd be happy to have it on a postgresql.org site, but Marc will have to speak > to the bandwidth issues. how big is it? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Le Vendredi 23 Janvier 2004 03:08, Satoshi Nagayasu a écrit : > If you want to install to your hard drive, KNOPPIX installation script > can help you. > However, I think "without any installation" is more important for > newbies. > Any comments? Dear Satoshi, Your Knoppix-based CD-ROM is a great way to promote PostgreSQL. My Debian workstation was installed using Knoppix. It worked like a charm without any problem until now. My point of view is that Knoppix text-based installation scripts are not enough user-friendly for most MS Windows users. This opinion comes from a self-study that I conducted visiting my neighbours in order to demonstrate and install Debian. My neighbours are mostly casual MS Windows users with no special background in computing. Some accepted to replace MS Windows with Debian, others did not. But all of them had problems with Knoppix text-based installation scripts. Therefore, my personal opinion is that Knoppix with good graphical installation wizards would 'rock'. This is how I turned to Morphix ... which is mostly based on Knoppix. The problem is that Morphix wizards are still very unstable. Now, if you allow it, I will contact you privately to propose for help the best I can ... Best regards, Jean-Michel
Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > > I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this > > summer. Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? > > Looking at the screenshots, it might be a bit too Japanese for the > average guy's taste. ;-) Yes. It is based on Japanized-KNOPPIX and it includes localized applicaitons for our language-environment. This CD-ROM will be published to promote in Japan. :) > If we want to have a PostgreSQL promotion CD by the summer, we still > have some time to work on it. Especially, we might want to have some > updated software on it. It looks like we're going to LinuxTag as well > this year (June), and I'm pulling some strings to get a CD done for > that, so maybe we could coordinate that with the events in North > America. Building PostgreSQL-KNOPPIX is not so difficult for me, and I can provide an experimental iso in a few days. Does anyone want to evaluate it? But I also want to learn more about Morphix because its screenshots are cool. :) -- NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org>
How about BitTorrent? http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ I'm using BitTorrent to distribute large iso files. I like this P2P software. "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Robert, Satoshi, > > > > > What do people think about putting an .iso of this on the postgresql ftp > > > server and/or the sourceforge site? > > > > I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this summer. > > Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? > > > > I'd be happy to have it on a postgresql.org site, but Marc will have to speak > > to the bandwidth issues. > > how big is it? > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) > -- NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org>
Definitely is an option ... we already have the server running for it ... On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Satoshi Nagayasu wrote: > How about BitTorrent? > http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ > > I'm using BitTorrent to distribute large iso files. > I like this P2P software. > > "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > > > Robert, Satoshi, > > > > > > > What do people think about putting an .iso of this on the postgresql ftp > > > > server and/or the sourceforge site? > > > > > > I really, really, really want this CD for OSCON and LinuxWorld this summer. > > > Can we put an ISO up somewhere? Please? Please? > > > > > > I'd be happy to have it on a postgresql.org site, but Marc will have to speak > > > to the bandwidth issues. > > > > how big is it? > > > > ---- > > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) > > > > > -- > NAGAYASU Satoshi <snaga@snaga.org> > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664