Thread: 2003 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Award Winners Announced
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040112/nym120_1.html We placed third, behind MySQL and Firebird respectively. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
Dear Robert Treat , >http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040112/nym120_1.html > > This must ring alarm bells and we must look into the matter as what is making postgresql adoption such a slow process insted of its very good features. Regards, Vishal Kashyap
Quoting Sai Hertz And Control Systems <sank89@sancharnet.in>: > Dear Robert Treat , > > >http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040112/nym120_1.html > > > > > This must ring alarm bells and we must look into the matter as what is > making postgresql adoption such a slow process insted of > its very good features. > Regards, > Vishal Kashyap > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > Alot of recent threads have ultimately suggested that one of problems with deployement is centered around our web site, so, as we work out the issues there hopefully people will come back. Firebird is much more of a concern now to me because at least with MySQL there are some things that would "force" you to look for another solution. I learned about Firebird (the database) in the last couple of months from everyone here and I thought, "that sounds like a decent database". I would not have thought it would outplace PG. However that means that now- actually, not *now* but for some time, PG has not the clear alternative. Of it would be a mistake to design our marketing solely around being the anti-MySql, anti-Oracle. anti-MS-SQL, etc... Does anyone know if there is an action plan or roadmap with milestone for advocacy goals? If we don't have that, perhaps we should spend this quarter identifying what those need might be and then put them out to the community for people to step up to the plate to lead and project or assist. The milestones from these efforts then become material for press releases throughout the year. On going news is one way to keep our "face" fresh... I must say tho- I am very happy Slackware placed 1st :) (sorry couldn't resist) -- Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. Director of Networks & Applications VCSN, Inc. http://vcsn.com ____________________________________ This email account is being host by: VCSN, Inc : http://vcsn.com
sank89@sancharnet.in (Sai Hertz And Control Systems) writes:
> This must ring alarm bells and we must look into the matter as what
> is making postgresql adoption such a slow process insted of its very
> good features.
I don't think that has much of anything to do with anything.
Look at the statistics in the poll.
There were only a total of 1111 votes.
In the case of Firebird, there are some 78 developers listed on
SourceForge; if each of them tells three friends to go vote for
Firebird, that quickly gets them towards their 403 votes.
The size of the constituency of voters has two _vital_ problems:
1. It is tiny and self-selecting, thus making it highly likely to
be unrepresentative;
2. Furthermore, it is highly susceptible to "ballot-stuffing."
Drawing grand conclusions based on a tiny, clearly biasable sample at
a somewhat obscure web site is just silly.
Remember, that web site did NOT count any information about
"PostgreSQL adoption;" all it did was to ask people to "vote" for
whatever database they wanted to see win the vote.
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Christopher Browne
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Dear Neil Conway , >>That assumes that the "LinuxQuestions Members Choice Award" is >>something that is indicative of the rate of adoption in general -- >>which I am highly sceptical of. >> >> We may remain sceptical and make our selfs feel better but it is true that to some extent linux belivers are prefering MySQL or FirebirdSql Now please tell me how strong is your scepticism. Regards Vishal Kashyap.
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:56, Sai Hertz And Control Systems wrote:
> Dear Neil Conway ,
>
> >>That assumes that the "LinuxQuestions Members Choice Award" is
> >>something that is indicative of the rate of adoption in general --
> >>which I am highly sceptical of.
> >>
> >>
> We may remain sceptical and make our selfs feel better but it is true
> that to some extent linux belivers are prefering MySQL or FirebirdSql
>
> Now please tell me how strong is your scepticism.
>
BTW, IIRC we won that award last year.
Robert Treat
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On 12 Jan 2004, Robert Treat wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:56, Sai Hertz And Control Systems wrote: > > Dear Neil Conway , > > > > >>That assumes that the "LinuxQuestions Members Choice Award" is > > >>something that is indicative of the rate of adoption in general -- > > >>which I am highly sceptical of. > > >> > > >> > > We may remain sceptical and make our selfs feel better but it is true > > that to some extent linux belivers are prefering MySQL or FirebirdSql > > > > Now please tell me how strong is your scepticism. > > > BTW, IIRC we won that award last year. That just means we were better at stuffing the ballot last year :-)
Martha Stewart called it a Good Thing when scott.marlowe@ihs.com ("scott.marlowe") wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2004, Robert Treat wrote:
>> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 14:56, Sai Hertz And Control Systems wrote:
>> > >>That assumes that the "LinuxQuestions Members Choice Award" is
>> > >>something that is indicative of the rate of adoption in general --
>> > >>which I am highly sceptical of.
>> > >>
>> > We may remain sceptical and make our selfs feel better but it is true
>> > that to some extent linux belivers are prefering MySQL or FirebirdSql
>> >
>> > Now please tell me how strong is your scepticism.
>> >
>> BTW, IIRC we won that award last year.
>
> That just means we were better at stuffing the ballot last year :-)
That's probably the _exact_ truth.
"Members Choice Awards" are much the same as "Readers Choice Awards"
are much the same as "Voting for All Star Teams" and it all amounts to
people stuffing ballot boxes in favor of their local 'team.'
Of course, when it's baseball fans trying to get their favorite
players onto an "all star" team, you can at least be reasonably
certain that those getting voted for were the best players on the
local team, and accordingly likely rank well in the league.
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Helo scott >>>We may remain sceptical and make our selfs feel better but it is true >>>that to some extent linux belivers are prefering MySQL or FirebirdSql >>> >>>Now please tell me how strong is your scepticism. >>> >>> >>> >>BTW, IIRC we won that award last year. >> >> > >That just means we were better at stuffing the ballot last year :-) > > Aggreed, we stuffed the ballot box better last year and why that happened only last year ? because we were having good number of PostgreSQL belivers or users who wanted their product to be first , but this year PostgreSQL was not able to get that equal number of commited people to vote. So whats the out come definatly we are missing an important link and these important links have been discussed to a largeextend in this good list. Also I will quote something from the article on eweek "While some have charged the PostgreSQL community as being unfriendly, most PostgreSQL users point to fast, expert help that's gotten them out of a pinch on more than one occasion." read it here http://eletters.eweek.com/zd1/cts?d=79-411-2-3-179112-48586-1 Regards, Vishal Kashyap.
Dear Christopher Browne , >I don't think that has much of anything to do with anything. > >Look at the statistics in the poll. > >There were only a total of 1111 votes. > >In the case of Firebird, there are some 78 developers listed on >SourceForge; if each of them tells three friends to go vote for >Firebird, that quickly gets them towards their 403 votes. > >The size of the constituency of voters has two _vital_ problems: > > 1. It is tiny and self-selecting, thus making it highly likely to > be unrepresentative; > > 2. Furthermore, it is highly susceptible to "ballot-stuffing." > >Drawing grand conclusions based on a tiny, clearly biasable sample at >a somewhat obscure web site is just silly. > > Ok , fine I consider this to be silly as we cannot make conclusion "based on a tiny, clearly biasable sample at a somewhat obscure web site is just silly." Just answer one thing , would have you reacted in the same manner if PostgreSQL was voted to FIRST place. The answer quite obvious is NO :-) instead we (including myself) would have indulged in self pride. >Remember, that web site did NOT count any information about >"PostgreSQL adoption;" all it did was to ask people to "vote" for >whatever database they wanted to see win the vote. > > So very few or no one decided that PostgreSQL should win. In either case if you belive you vote else sionara. Anyways lets decide that if their exist any such survey again on NET ask the community to vote for it. Regards, Vishal Kashyap
sank89@sancharnet.in (Sai Hertz And Control Systems) writes: > Just answer one thing , would have you reacted in the same manner if > PostgreSQL was voted to FIRST place. All I would be able to conclude was that "our ballot-stuffers were better than the other guys' ballot-stuffers," and that is, in fact, what happened last year, when PostgreSQL came in "first" at that web site. And that is all I concluded last year. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="libertyrms.info" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; <http://dev6.int.libertyrms.com/> Christopher Browne (416) 646 3304 x124 (land)