Thread: The two steps to being under the Sun...
Step 1: Convince Sun to use Berkeley DBs for simple flat data in their products due to licence, etc. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1270796,00.asp Step 2: Show Sun that a high quality database exists for storing their complex relational data with similar restrictions and benefits to the above. You don't even need to ask about IP issues.
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On 17 Sep 2003 at 9:02, Rod Taylor wrote: > Step 1: > > Convince Sun to use Berkeley DBs for simple flat data in their products > due to licence, etc. > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1270796,00.asp IIRC, that was for an embedded database so postgresql is clearly not in the game. And given that postgresql does not do that well on solaris at lower end at least, I would not think sun as place where postgresql will find another home. Recently lost a project to mysql on solaris/AIX just because postgresql could not load data fast enough. Not good.. Bye Shridhar -- All new: Parts not interchangeable with previous model.
Rod, > Show Sun that a high quality database exists for storing their complex > relational data with similar restrictions and benefits to the above. You > don't even need to ask about IP issues. Unfortunately, I've been down this road. Sun does not want to deal with any "real" open source projects. MySQL AB, which is a commercial company dabbling in open source, suits Sun's corprorate "personality" a lot better than we ever would. We won the technical evaluation and lost the corporate politics. Sun has contributed a *lot* to open source, and their techies in Europe are very dedicated to OSS ideals -- for example, the PostgreSQL SDBC driver for OOo is being developed by a volunteer & a Sunnie in their "spare" time, to match the MySQL driver which was donated by another company. So I don't want to give Sun a bad rap. But it's important to remember how driven Sun HQ is by their corporate culture, which is a lot more similar to Redmond than it is to us. -- Josh Berkus Aglio Database Solutions San Francisco
josh@agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) writes: > Sun does not want to deal with any "real" open source projects. > MySQL AB, which is a commercial company dabbling in open source, > suits Sun's corprorate "personality" a lot better than we ever > would. We won the technical evaluation and lost the corporate > politics. Furthermore, MySQL isn't likely to seriously challenge any relationships with their commercial 'partners.' If the "open source" database that they push is considered only suitable for toy applications, then that's _perfect_ for any partnering they do with vendors like Oracle. It is, as a result, perfectly natural for them to say "Well, if you want to do any _real_ work with databases, then you should talk to our partner here..." Nobody is likely to question that this is a good idea. If, in contrast, they bundled something that _does_ scale better, there might be an awkward pause if someone asks the question "... And I need to upgrade to Oracle precisely why?" -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="libertyrms.info" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; <http://dev6.int.libertyrms.com/> Christopher Browne (416) 646 3304 x124 (land)
Correct. The hard fact of it, folks, is that a successful PostgreSQL is bad news for the following industry leaders: Oracle (directly) IBM (directly) Microsoft (directly) Sun (indirectly, due to partnership with Oracle) Red Hat (indirectly, due to partnerships with Oracle, IBM) The best possible high-visibility partners for PostgreSQL for large application vendors who wish to reduce their dependencyon (often competing) database vendors: Siebel (the best candidate, IMHO) SAP (already co-opted by MySQL) Peoplesoft (has a new DB2 relationship) etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Browne" <cbbrowne@libertyrms.info> To: <pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] The two steps to being under the Sun... > josh@agliodbs.com (Josh Berkus) writes: > > Sun does not want to deal with any "real" open source projects. > > MySQL AB, which is a commercial company dabbling in open source, > > suits Sun's corprorate "personality" a lot better than we ever > > would. We won the technical evaluation and lost the corporate > > politics. > > Furthermore, MySQL isn't likely to seriously challenge any > relationships with their commercial 'partners.' > > If the "open source" database that they push is considered only > suitable for toy applications, then that's _perfect_ for any > partnering they do with vendors like Oracle. > > It is, as a result, perfectly natural for them to say "Well, if you > want to do any _real_ work with databases, then you should talk to our > partner here..." Nobody is likely to question that this is a good > idea. > > If, in contrast, they bundled something that _does_ scale better, > there might be an awkward pause if someone asks the question "... And > I need to upgrade to Oracle precisely why?" > -- > let name="cbbrowne" and tld="libertyrms.info" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; > <http://dev6.int.libertyrms.com/> > Christopher Browne > (416) 646 3304 x124 (land) > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to majordomo@postgresql.org > >
Josh, > want to give Sun a bad rap. But it's important to remember how driven Sun > HQ is by their corporate culture, which is a lot more similar to Redmond than > it is to us. Although I honor the (sparetime) contributions of Sun employees and Sun itself, I agree with your statement about the corporate culture. I wonder, if a Sun monopoly would feel different from a Microsoft one. McNeil's attitude is sometimes like they already achieved monopoly. ;-) -- http://www.go-gen.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/freegee/