On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote:
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 19:30, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, the _init fork can go arbitrarily long without being used, so
>>>> you can't put any unfrozen tuples in there. There may be some game
>>>> that can be played here, but it's not simple, especially since the
>>>> heap and indices have to stay in sync.
>>>
>>> I don't think that's a sufficient response. It's clear that people
>>> expect unlogged tables would be used in conjunction with RAM disks,
>>> but they clearly don't work in that situation.
>>>
>>> That is exactly the main use case of "cache tables".
>>
>> I think it's a bit harsh to say that they "don't work". As I
>> understand it, the use case that Rob is seeking here is the ability to
>> create a table space on a RAM disk and put unlogged tables (only) into
>> it and have everything continue to work after a reboot obliterates the
>> contents of the RAM disk. Fair enough - I can understand why that
>> would be useful, but I don't think we've ever promised anyone that
>> blowing away a tablespace was a safe operation. It might actually be
>> safe if only temporary tables are involved... assuming that the mount
>> point was the PG_<version>_<catversion> directory, rather than the
>> tablespace directory proper... but I doubt that we've ever documented
>> that anywhere, or promised that it would continue working in future
>> releases. It's a new idea to me, anyhow.
>
> I don't believe we do.
We didn't have UNLOGGED tables before, so it never came up.
We should be listening to the feedback of what will make this better.
> However, it would in a lot of cases be very useful to have osmething
> like CREATE TEMPORARY TABLESPACE <blah>. Which would only accept
> temporary (and maybe unlogged) tables. And then would auto-create the
> PG_<version>_<catversion> directory upon startup.
>
> That's obviously a 9.2 feature though, it's not an adjustment of an
> existing one, it's brand new :-)
Yes, that's a nice feature for 9.2
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