Re: Bricolage: Impressive - Mailing list pgsql-www

Dave,

> I'm fascinated by the current trend towards Wikis - what do they achieve
> that user comments don't other than potentially allowing a malicious
> user to cause havoc and potentially open the site to all sorts of legal
> problems should something libelous be posted - something I kindof
> expected you .usians to be particularly wary of?

Paranoia doesn't pay.  Really.   Despite Wiki's potential for abuse, the Wikis
out there have been remarkably grafitti-free.  For example, I don't know that
Wikipedia.org has been defaced once in the last season despite its public
profile, and more technical wikis like the madwifi wiki (http://
madwifiwiki.thewebhost.de/wiki/FrontPage) have gone their whole lifetimes
free of interference.    So that's *not* a consideration -- especially as any
good wiki includes version rollback.

What is a consideration is:
Pro-Wiki:
1) Provides an easy way for new users to contribute toward HOWTOs, etc.,
without requiring them to wait for passwords, authorization, and reading
extensive instructions.  This immediacy increases the likelyhood that someone
will contribute what they've learned.*
2) Offers a childishly easy editing system, also supporting the above
immediacy.
3) allows site administrators to move away from using e-mail to manage site
submissions from new authors ("Just put it up on the Wiki and I'll review it
later")

Anti-Wiki:
1) Content has to be dynamically rebuilt with each submission, making
mirroring difficult to impossible, especially as few Wikis have a "preview"
screen.
2) Tend to contribute to byzantine site structures that require an admin to
straighten out and re-link.
3) Formatting, graphical elements, and linking are severly limited by security
constraints, forcing most "articles" into formatted-text-only.
4) Difficult to search or TOC effectively.
5) Few, if any, Wikis allow setting permissions on pages which need
constrained editing rights.

Given these considerations, I feel that it would be a good thing to have a
wiki as a *corner* of the PostgreSQL.org and Techdocs Sites, but not as the
whole thing.  The GUI page (http://techdocs.postgresql.org/guides/GUITools)
has been a success for the existing Techdocs Wiki, except that nobody can
find it on their own.

(*Seriously.   I spent a portion of last week troubleshooting the madwifi
drivers for the IBM a/b/g wireless card; since madwifi had a wiki, I wrote up
my experiences *immediately* and they are now on the web for others to learn
from.  If I'd had to wait for a user_id and password and read 3 pages of
instructions on how to submit -- or gods forbid use CVS -- I would have
procrastinated indefinitely on posting)

--
-Josh Berkus
 Aglio Database Solutions
 San Francisco