Thread: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
"Zwettler Markus (OIZ)"
Date:

I would like to start a more aggressive autovacuum on pg_catalog tables like pg_largeobject.

 

So I tried as a superuser:

 

# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (autovacuum_vacuum_scale_factor = 0, autovacuum_vacuum_threshold = 5000);

ERROR:  permission denied: "pg_largeobject_metadata" is a system catalog

 

(How) Is it possible to change such table attributes on pg_catalog tables?

 

Thanks, Markus

 

 

Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
Vijaykumar Jain
Date:
ok, what i am sharing, DO NOT DO IT.
it is just to answer why it is not working  :)


postgres=# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (AUTOVACUUM_VACUUM_COST_DELAY = 1);
ERROR:  permission denied: "pg_largeobject_metadata" is a system catalog
postgres=# show allow_system_table_mods;
 allow_system_table_mods
-------------------------
 off
(1 row)

postgres=# set allow_system_table_mods TO 1;
SET
postgres=# show allow_system_table_mods;
 allow_system_table_mods
-------------------------
 on
(1 row)

postgres=# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (AUTOVACUUM_VACUUM_COST_DELAY = 1);
ALTER TABLE


but you can always run vacuum manually on the table.
vacuum (verbose,analyze) pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata;
INFO:  vacuuming "pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata"
INFO:  index "pg_largeobject_metadata_oid_index" now contains 0 row versions in 1 pages
DETAIL:  0 index row versions were removed.
0 index pages have been deleted, 0 are currently reusable.
CPU: user: 0.00 s, system: 0.00 s, elapsed: 0.00 s.
INFO:  "pg_largeobject_metadata": found 0 removable, 0 nonremovable row versions in 0 out of 0 pages
DETAIL:  0 dead row versions cannot be removed yet, oldest xmin: 8083775
There were 0 unused item identifiers.
Skipped 0 pages due to buffer pins, 0 frozen pages.
0 pages are entirely empty.
CPU: user: 0.00 s, system: 0.00 s, elapsed: 0.00 s.
INFO:  analyzing "pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata"
INFO:  "pg_largeobject_metadata": scanned 0 of 0 pages, containing 0 live rows and 0 dead rows; 0 rows in sample, 0 estimated total rows
VACUUM



On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 20:10, Zwettler Markus (OIZ) <Markus.Zwettler@zuerich.ch> wrote:

I would like to start a more aggressive autovacuum on pg_catalog tables like pg_largeobject.

 

So I tried as a superuser:

 

# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (autovacuum_vacuum_scale_factor = 0, autovacuum_vacuum_threshold = 5000);

ERROR:  permission denied: "pg_largeobject_metadata" is a system catalog

 

(How) Is it possible to change such table attributes on pg_catalog tables?

 

Thanks, Markus

 

 



--
Thanks,
Vijay
Mumbai, India

AW: [Extern] Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
"Zwettler Markus (OIZ)"
Date:

Thanks for the info.

 

I have a lot of LO manipulation and want a more aggressive autovacuum on some pg_catalog tables therefore.

 

I do not see any reason why this should not work or be at risk?

 

Markus

 

 

 

Von: Vijaykumar Jain <vijaykumarjain.github@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 17:37
An: Zwettler Markus (OIZ) <Markus.Zwettler@zuerich.ch>
Cc: pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org
Betreff: [Extern] Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

 

ok, what i am sharing, DO NOT DO IT.

it is just to answer why it is not working  :)

 

 

postgres=# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (AUTOVACUUM_VACUUM_COST_DELAY = 1);

ERROR:  permission denied: "pg_largeobject_metadata" is a system catalog

postgres=# show allow_system_table_mods;

 allow_system_table_mods

-------------------------

 off

(1 row)

 

postgres=# set allow_system_table_mods TO 1;

SET

postgres=# show allow_system_table_mods;

 allow_system_table_mods

-------------------------

 on

(1 row)

 

postgres=# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (AUTOVACUUM_VACUUM_COST_DELAY = 1);

ALTER TABLE

 

 

but you can always run vacuum manually on the table.

vacuum (verbose,analyze) pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata;

INFO:  vacuuming "pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata"

INFO:  index "pg_largeobject_metadata_oid_index" now contains 0 row versions in 1 pages

DETAIL:  0 index row versions were removed.

0 index pages have been deleted, 0 are currently reusable.

CPU: user: 0.00 s, system: 0.00 s, elapsed: 0.00 s.

INFO:  "pg_largeobject_metadata": found 0 removable, 0 nonremovable row versions in 0 out of 0 pages

DETAIL:  0 dead row versions cannot be removed yet, oldest xmin: 8083775

There were 0 unused item identifiers.

Skipped 0 pages due to buffer pins, 0 frozen pages.

0 pages are entirely empty.

CPU: user: 0.00 s, system: 0.00 s, elapsed: 0.00 s.

INFO:  analyzing "pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata"

INFO:  "pg_largeobject_metadata": scanned 0 of 0 pages, containing 0 live rows and 0 dead rows; 0 rows in sample, 0 estimated total rows

VACUUM

 

 

 

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 20:10, Zwettler Markus (OIZ) <Markus.Zwettler@zuerich.ch> wrote:

I would like to start a more aggressive autovacuum on pg_catalog tables like pg_largeobject.

 

So I tried as a superuser:

 

# alter table pg_catalog.pg_largeobject_metadata set (autovacuum_vacuum_scale_factor = 0, autovacuum_vacuum_threshold = 5000);

ERROR:  permission denied: "pg_largeobject_metadata" is a system catalog

 

(How) Is it possible to change such table attributes on pg_catalog tables?

 

Thanks, Markus

 

 


 

--

Thanks,

Vijay

Mumbai, India


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Re: [Extern] Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
Michael Lewis
Date:
Why not change the defaults? How many tables would hit this new threshold and you would NOT want autovacuum to process them?

Re: AW: [Extern] Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
Tom Lane
Date:
"Zwettler Markus (OIZ)" <Markus.Zwettler@zuerich.ch> writes:
> I do not see any reason why this should not work or be at risk?

I think the only problem you'd be likely to run into is that
pg_dump/pg_upgrade won't propagate those settings for you.
autovacuum doesn't really treat catalogs differently from user
tables, AFAIR.

            regards, tom lane



Re: AW: [Extern] Re: autovacuum on pg_catalog tables

From
Laurenz Albe
Date:
On Fri, 2021-06-04 at 15:43 +0000, Zwettler Markus (OIZ) wrote:
> I have a lot of LO manipulation and want a more aggressive autovacuum on some pg_catalog tables therefore.
> 
> I do not see any reason why this should not work or be at risk?

It is not a risk per se.  The biggest problem is that any such catalog
modifications would be lost after an upgrade.

I would change the parameters in "postgresql.conf" and then override the
settings for user table to be less aggressive where necessary.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe
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