Thread: Proprietary software marketing on Wiki page -- AgensGraph Postgres fork
I imagine that this Wiki page falls afoul of some policy or other around marketing proprietary software through a community channel: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/AgensGraph Even if it doesn't, I don't think that we want to have this kind of thing on the PostgreSQL wiki. -- Peter Geoghegan
Re: Proprietary software marketing on Wiki page -- AgensGraphPostgres fork
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"Jonathan S. Katz"
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On 10/31/19 8:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > I imagine that this Wiki page falls afoul of some policy or other > around marketing proprietary software through a community channel: > > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/AgensGraph > > Even if it doesn't, I don't think that we want to have this kind of > thing on the PostgreSQL wiki. There are wiki pages where we link to 3rd party / proprietary solutions that provide information as well as links back to their websites e.g. https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools but we don't have them at the top level. I think the URL immediately above is ok, as it is informational. That said, I agree with your assessment that we should not let the wiki be used for pure advertising purposes for proprietary products. We have a section of the website for that. I also found this one while looking through the recent changes: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Ecosystem:dbForge_Studio_for_PostgreSQL which looks like it was trying to subcategorize but not sure if it did, but likewise falls into the same camp. I would +1 for removing those pages. Jonathan
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On 2019-11-02 00:11, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > On 10/31/19 8:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >> I imagine that this Wiki page falls afoul of some policy or other >> around marketing proprietary software through a community channel: >> >> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/AgensGraph >> >> Even if it doesn't, I don't think that we want to have this kind of >> thing on the PostgreSQL wiki. > > There are wiki pages where we link to 3rd party / proprietary solutions > that provide information as well as links back to their websites e.g. > > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools > > but we don't have them at the top level. I think the URL immediately > above is ok, as it is informational. > > That said, I agree with your assessment that we should not let the wiki > be used for pure advertising purposes for proprietary products. We have > a section of the website for that. > > I also found this one while looking through the recent changes: > > https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Ecosystem:dbForge_Studio_for_PostgreSQL > > which looks like it was trying to subcategorize but not sure if it did, > but likewise falls into the same camp. > > I would +1 for removing those pages. With the AgensGraph one, what's the problem with it? The page itself says it's an OSS thing, though the further description sounds like "Open Core". We're not anti-commercial here (apart from abusive commercial things), or at least we haven't been thus far. ? + Justin
Re: Proprietary software marketing on Wiki page -- AgensGraphPostgres fork
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"Jonathan S. Katz"
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On 11/1/19 11:17 AM, Justin Clift wrote: > On 2019-11-02 00:11, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >> On 10/31/19 8:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >>> I imagine that this Wiki page falls afoul of some policy or other >>> around marketing proprietary software through a community channel: >>> >>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/AgensGraph >>> >>> Even if it doesn't, I don't think that we want to have this kind of >>> thing on the PostgreSQL wiki. >> >> There are wiki pages where we link to 3rd party / proprietary solutions >> that provide information as well as links back to their websites e.g. >> >> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools >> >> but we don't have them at the top level. I think the URL immediately >> above is ok, as it is informational. >> >> That said, I agree with your assessment that we should not let the wiki >> be used for pure advertising purposes for proprietary products. We have >> a section of the website for that. >> >> I also found this one while looking through the recent changes: >> >> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Ecosystem:dbForge_Studio_for_PostgreSQL >> >> which looks like it was trying to subcategorize but not sure if it did, >> but likewise falls into the same camp. >> >> I would +1 for removing those pages. > > With the AgensGraph one, what's the problem with it? The page itself says > it's an OSS thing, though the further description sounds like "Open Core". > > We're not anti-commercial here (apart from abusive commercial things), > or at least we haven't been thus far. No one said "anti-commercial" -- as I said above, there are places on the website for promoting & describing proprietary products, including in subsections of the wiki itself. I've found the wiki is generally good for collaboration, fleshing out ideas, serving as a "catch all" for things that may be in flux (e.g. the "Drivers" page), and being generally informative about PostgreSQL, the project, and the ecosystem. I do agree with Peter that this does not seem to be the best use of the wiki. Jonathan
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Re: Proprietary software marketing on Wiki page -- AgensGraphPostgres fork
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Magnus Hagander
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:55 PM Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> wrote:
On 11/1/19 11:17 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
> On 2019-11-02 00:11, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
>> On 10/31/19 8:08 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
>>> I imagine that this Wiki page falls afoul of some policy or other
>>> around marketing proprietary software through a community channel:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/AgensGraph
>>>
>>> Even if it doesn't, I don't think that we want to have this kind of
>>> thing on the PostgreSQL wiki.
>>
>> There are wiki pages where we link to 3rd party / proprietary solutions
>> that provide information as well as links back to their websites e.g.
>>
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools
>>
>> but we don't have them at the top level. I think the URL immediately
>> above is ok, as it is informational.
>>
>> That said, I agree with your assessment that we should not let the wiki
>> be used for pure advertising purposes for proprietary products. We have
>> a section of the website for that.
>>
>> I also found this one while looking through the recent changes:
>>
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Ecosystem:dbForge_Studio_for_PostgreSQL
>>
>> which looks like it was trying to subcategorize but not sure if it did,
>> but likewise falls into the same camp.
>>
>> I would +1 for removing those pages.
>
> With the AgensGraph one, what's the problem with it? The page itself says
> it's an OSS thing, though the further description sounds like "Open Core".
>
> We're not anti-commercial here (apart from abusive commercial things),
> or at least we haven't been thus far.
No one said "anti-commercial" -- as I said above, there are places on
the website for promoting & describing proprietary products, including
in subsections of the wiki itself.
I've found the wiki is generally good for collaboration, fleshing out
ideas, serving as a "catch all" for things that may be in flux (e.g. the
"Drivers" page), and being generally informative about PostgreSQL, the
project, and the ecosystem.
I do agree with Peter that this does not seem to be the best use of the
wiki.
+1. I have no problem linking to it, or with a short description, like we have on the tools page in general. But I don't think we should be hosting complete pages about external products. They have their own wiki (as part of their github setup), and should be using that one.